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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:22 Cuddle wrote:
Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.
Do you even know how sports (or sports-entertainment, however you want to call it) contracts even work? Funny funny post.
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I hadn't thought of this angle:
What kind of a douchebag is Coach Lee! Even if you player intends on leaving your team, what kind of a coach says stuff like suing the player, right before aLive's Code S match. I can understand why Heart/aLive plan on leaving now. Be a better person and say whatever you want after the game man, damn. Very bad intentions imo. Lee basically sealed the deal of losing his players - whatever little chance he had of retaining them, is quite possibly gone by now.
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At this point, is there any sympathy left for us fans to have for TSL?
The PuMa situation I can understand because that was the first "issue" with the seemingly picture perfect TSL. They had it all... a famous BW coach, a GSL champion, scary up and comers with crazy potential, the first Korean team to offer their players salaries, one of the more successful teams when it comes to sponsorships...
Fast forward 6 months and TSL is riddled with inconsistent management and an inconsistent vision for their team. Talk of their 2 team captains being so lazy that they don't show up to practice (which led to the withholding contract drama), players like PuMa leaving his "family" behind, publicly stating that they are taking their team in a different direction multiple times, Rain, Clide, Killer, JYP all leaving for various reasons, and now this with Alive. Either TSL caught a series of unlucky breaks (I personally don't buy into being lucky or unlucky on a grand scale) or there's something wrong with the team and their management.
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On January 18 2012 16:06 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Considering I had multiple sources confirm the aLive > Fnatic thing independently, I'm finding it hard to believe what ToD posted.
Sorry ToD.
ToD hardly ever talks about rumours or players joining/leaving his team, when he does you can give him credit
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Oh god not this again 
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Well, let's see how this pans out. If KESPA was around, this wouldn't happen. I'm not saying SC2 needs KESPA at all, but you know like an NFLPA kind of thing, with team owners, league owners, players reps to figure this kind of stuff out. eventually !!! =)
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On January 18 2012 16:26 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 16:21 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 18 2012 16:12 Wolf wrote:On January 18 2012 15:57 Qaatar wrote:On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote:
I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen. So the stuff that Rekrul says, like: On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:
P.s. fuck oops lee still. or: On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote:
Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?" or: On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes. It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it. You'd be surprised what some of us "posting in this thread" know Wolf  Please don't act like you know whats going Virgil. You have a few unreliable sources and nothing to do with TSL..
He's sources did tell him aLive left the team. He was the first one to break out the rumors. He also knew about Cyrano way before us...
As for whether aLive has joined Fnatic, give what ToD said, I'm sure TSL, aLive and Fnatic are trying to get things working behind the scenes before aLive stays/joins up with Fnatic. Coach Lee could have possibly jumped the gun here. *shrug*.
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On January 18 2012 16:26 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 16:21 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 18 2012 16:12 Wolf wrote:On January 18 2012 15:57 Qaatar wrote:On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote:
I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen. So the stuff that Rekrul says, like: On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:
P.s. fuck oops lee still. or: On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote:
Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?" or: On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes. It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it. You'd be surprised what some of us "posting in this thread" know Wolf Please don't act like you know whats going Virgil. You have a few unreliable sources and nothing to do with TSL..
I actually find this comment extremely hilarious.
You're right, I have no idea what's going on
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Suing his own player for breach of contract? for how much? $100 .. that's really fucked up, TSL should just let him go... there is obviously bad blood between alive and the coach.
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Uhh, maybe I missed something, but I thought alive was a free agent? I'm just gonna guess i missed something...
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Seems more and more likely that the fnatic coach is really having some management issues, especially that the players themselves dont talk to the coach about it..
Even weirder that the coach loves going to the media instead of going directly to the team fnatic, issues such as these reaching the public really is unprofessional
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On January 18 2012 16:30 s4life wrote:
Suing his own player for breach of contract? for how much? $100 .. that's really fucked up, TSL should just let him go... there is obviously bad blood between alive and the coach.
We don't even know if that is true yet... It is just an article that says he may be considering it.
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move is controversial as TSL Head Coach Lee Woon Jae is claims that the Fnatic approached Alive behind his back, without going through the proper channels
This is giving me deja vu... who else did this happen to?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:34 jw232 wrote:Show nested quote +move is controversial as TSL Head Coach Lee Woon Jae is claims that the Fnatic approached Alive behind his back, without going through the proper channels This is giving me deja vu... who else did this happen to?
TSL, EG, Puma.
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Don't worry Virgil I know you're in the know~
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On January 18 2012 16:34 jw232 wrote:Show nested quote +move is controversial as TSL Head Coach Lee Woon Jae is claims that the Fnatic approached Alive behind his back, without going through the proper channels This is giving me deja vu... who else did this happen to?
TSL- EG about PuMa
dang it, lichter was faster
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TSL always has something going on... I'm still surprised Polt chose to join them, though I suppose that was when they were looking a bit better despite having already been dealing with a lot of controversy by then.
As for ToD not knowing about it (if Alive did transfer) it wouldn't surprise me. Fnatic always seemed like the type of team where each of their players is mostly on their own, and there doesn't seem to be much communication... though that is purely speculation.
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I hope TSL dies out, if this is how the coach is going to keep acting. Getting tired of his shit. Always in the news...
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On January 18 2012 16:37 Wolf wrote:
Don't worry Virgil I know you're in the know~
You know, I had no idea you went to High School where you did, met some friends of yours a while back. Fellow Atlantean here 
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I actually like all of the parties involved here, but If what Coach Lee says is true I hope that they do sue Alive. For contracts to mean something they can't just be broken willy-nilly. Things like this(if 100% set true) just set precedent for players to fuck over their teams, and in turn for teams to fuck over their players.
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