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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
January 18 2012 07:17 GMT
#301
On January 18 2012 16:09 Fionn wrote:
So for tonight's games will Alive be wearing a TSL jacket, a Fnatic jersey and a Switzerland hat?

oh wow, he plays tonight to totally forgot should be interesting!
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 07:18:07
January 18 2012 07:17 GMT
#302
On January 18 2012 16:16 jestlolk wrote:
There has to be some problem with TSL specifically and how they contact and/or treat their players. How can this be coincidence anymore when almost every former highly performing TSL player is now on another team.

SlayerS Clide
Fnatic Alive
Fnatic Rain
ST_FruitDealer
ST_Trickster
EG PuMa
EG JYP

At this point is it not clearly Coach Lee's fault for not having his players properly contracted? I felt sorry for them the first 3 or 4 times they lost players to other teams, but at this point I don't think anyone can possibly be to blame but the TSL management themselves.

Heart should join SlayerS, just to keep things even.

Oh wait, Heart's a Terran player. TT
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
January 18 2012 07:18 GMT
#303
On January 18 2012 14:46 KawaiiRice wrote:
Wow this keeps happening to TSL lol T_T;;
on another note.. ALIVE IS SO GOOD @.@ if this happened fnatic would be unstoppable :O
I agree, I feel bad for TSL and if what coach lee says is true than fnatic is 100% in the wrong, especially if they were about to have some kind of partnership and fnatic used that leverage to gain ground with alive.
SlayerS Fighting!
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
January 18 2012 07:18 GMT
#304
On January 18 2012 16:14 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:22 FXOpen wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:20 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote:
I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case)
I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice.
TSL is not doomed by any means

To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.


Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.

I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.


I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.
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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 18 2012 07:19 GMT
#305
On January 18 2012 16:17 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:16 jestlolk wrote:
There has to be some problem with TSL specifically and how they contact and/or treat their players. How can this be coincidence anymore when almost every former highly performing TSL player is now on another team.

SlayerS Clide
Fnatic Alive
Fnatic Rain
ST_FruitDealer
ST_Trickster
EG PuMa
EG JYP

At this point is it not clearly Coach Lee's fault for not having his players properly contracted? I felt sorry for them the first 3 or 4 times they lost players to other teams, but at this point I don't think anyone can possibly be to blame but the TSL management themselves.

Heart should join SlayerS, just to keep things even.

Oh wait, Heart's a Terran player. TT

Killer is still teamless.
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
January 18 2012 07:19 GMT
#306
More drama

like we don't have enough of that already

T_T
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McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 18 2012 07:20 GMT
#307
On January 18 2012 16:12 Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:57 Qaatar wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote:
I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen.


So the stuff that Rekrul says, like:
On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:

P.s. fuck oops lee still.


or:
On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote:
Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?"


or:
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.

It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.



That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes.


It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it.

Nice people can be deceitful, whether that be to themselves or to others around them. Obviously, I don't know anything about Lee, but I would have to trust Rekrul's opinion of him.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
January 18 2012 07:20 GMT
#308
On January 18 2012 16:18 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:14 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:22 FXOpen wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:20 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote:
I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case)
I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice.
TSL is not doomed by any means

To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.


Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.

I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.


I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.

Not really a "myth" he just doesn't go for the GSL too often it seems. I don't know why in all honesty.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 07:21 GMT
#309
On January 18 2012 16:12 Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:57 Qaatar wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote:
I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen.


So the stuff that Rekrul says, like:
On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:

P.s. fuck oops lee still.


or:
On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote:
Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?"


or:
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.

It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.



That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes.


It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it.

You'd be surprised what some of us "posting in this thread" know Wolf
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
January 18 2012 07:22 GMT
#310
Sad that we have to be troubled by this.

Anyway, good pickup for fnatic, Alive is a great player.

Let's hope this gets sorted though.
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Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
January 18 2012 07:22 GMT
#311
Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
January 18 2012 07:22 GMT
#312
On January 18 2012 16:20 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:18 Canucklehead wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:14 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:22 FXOpen wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:20 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote:
I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case)
I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice.
TSL is not doomed by any means

To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.


Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.

I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.


I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.

Not really a "myth" he just doesn't go for the GSL too often it seems. I don't know why in all honesty.


No, it is a myth, cause he does go for gsl often, but his fans keep saying otherwise as an excuse for him never qualifying. Some still claim he's only tried out once.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
January 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#313
Let's just all try to stay calm.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#314
I wonder if ToD just means, "He has not officially signed the contract that will bring him to Fnatic." Or, "Fnatic is still trying to work out a deal with Lee, so he is not actually on the team yet." I don't know if he's one to parse words like that, though.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
January 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#315
TSL has more roster drama than the rest of the scene combined. It's seriously funny.
GreyArrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States157 Posts
January 18 2012 07:24 GMT
#316
Let's stay calm a build pylons :T
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2012 07:24 GMT
#317
On January 18 2012 16:22 Cuddle wrote:
Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.


ALIVE IS UNDER CONTRACT.

Can this be put in gigantic bold letters at the beginning of the thread?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 18 2012 07:24 GMT
#318
On January 18 2012 16:22 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:20 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:18 Canucklehead wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:14 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:22 FXOpen wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:20 Phobbers wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote:
I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case)
I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice.
TSL is not doomed by any means

To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.


Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.

I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.


I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.

Not really a "myth" he just doesn't go for the GSL too often it seems. I don't know why in all honesty.


No, it is a myth, cause he does go for gsl often, but his fans keep saying otherwise as an excuse for him never qualifying. Some still claim he's only tried out once.

Since joining EG he has only tried twice. And the last time he got to the final round.
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desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
January 18 2012 07:25 GMT
#319
On January 18 2012 15:01 Laxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:58 Sublimexx wrote:
Why would you leave TSL to join a sub par, half dead foreign team?


You truly show your ignorance if you call Fnatic, one of the biggest and wealthiest eSports teams in the world, a "sub par, half dead" team. Their SC2 roster may have been lacking, but Fnatic is eSports legacy.


so true
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S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
January 18 2012 07:26 GMT
#320
On January 18 2012 16:21 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:12 Wolf wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:57 Qaatar wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote:
I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen.


So the stuff that Rekrul says, like:
On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:

P.s. fuck oops lee still.


or:
On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote:
Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?"


or:
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.

It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.



That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes.


It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it.

You'd be surprised what some of us "posting in this thread" know Wolf


Please don't act like you know whats going Virgil. You have a few unreliable sources and nothing to do with TSL..
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