Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
On January 18 2012 16:16 jestlolk wrote: There has to be some problem with TSL specifically and how they contact and/or treat their players. How can this be coincidence anymore when almost every former highly performing TSL player is now on another team.
At this point is it not clearly Coach Lee's fault for not having his players properly contracted? I felt sorry for them the first 3 or 4 times they lost players to other teams, but at this point I don't think anyone can possibly be to blame but the TSL management themselves.
Heart should join SlayerS, just to keep things even.
On January 18 2012 14:46 KawaiiRice wrote: Wow this keeps happening to TSL lol T_T;; on another note.. ALIVE IS SO GOOD @.@ if this happened fnatic would be unstoppable :O
I agree, I feel bad for TSL and if what coach lee says is true than fnatic is 100% in the wrong, especially if they were about to have some kind of partnership and fnatic used that leverage to gain ground with alive.
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote: I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case) I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice. TSL is not doomed by any means
To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.
Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.
I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.
I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.
On January 18 2012 16:16 jestlolk wrote: There has to be some problem with TSL specifically and how they contact and/or treat their players. How can this be coincidence anymore when almost every former highly performing TSL player is now on another team.
At this point is it not clearly Coach Lee's fault for not having his players properly contracted? I felt sorry for them the first 3 or 4 times they lost players to other teams, but at this point I don't think anyone can possibly be to blame but the TSL management themselves.
Heart should join SlayerS, just to keep things even.
On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote: I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen.
So the stuff that Rekrul says, like:
On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:
P.s. fuck oops lee still.
or:
On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote: Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?"
or:
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote: Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes.
It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it.
Nice people can be deceitful, whether that be to themselves or to others around them. Obviously, I don't know anything about Lee, but I would have to trust Rekrul's opinion of him.
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote: I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case) I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice. TSL is not doomed by any means
To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.
Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.
I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.
I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.
Not really a "myth" he just doesn't go for the GSL too often it seems. I don't know why in all honesty.
On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote: I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen.
So the stuff that Rekrul says, like:
On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:
P.s. fuck oops lee still.
or:
On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote: Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?"
or:
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote: Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes.
It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it.
You'd be surprised what some of us "posting in this thread" know Wolf
Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote: I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case) I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice. TSL is not doomed by any means
To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.
Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.
I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.
I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.
Not really a "myth" he just doesn't go for the GSL too often it seems. I don't know why in all honesty.
No, it is a myth, cause he does go for gsl often, but his fans keep saying otherwise as an excuse for him never qualifying. Some still claim he's only tried out once.
I wonder if ToD just means, "He has not officially signed the contract that will bring him to Fnatic." Or, "Fnatic is still trying to work out a deal with Lee, so he is not actually on the team yet." I don't know if he's one to parse words like that, though.
On January 18 2012 16:22 Cuddle wrote: Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.
ALIVE IS UNDER CONTRACT.
Can this be put in gigantic bold letters at the beginning of the thread?
On January 18 2012 15:09 Arceus wrote: I can see aLive going 0-4 this afternoon and soon disappearing without a trace. Thats what is happening with FD/Tester/Rain/Jyp/SangHo and Puma (forever Code B) to a lesser extent (Clide is another case) I mean, thats what you get for leaving for cash and relaxing practice. TSL is not doomed by any means
To be fair, FD faded away far before leaving TSL. Also, Puma has indeed been Code B for quite some time, but he actually has only attempted the Code A qualifiers once if I recall, and I wouldn't say he is disappearing without a trace considering he ranks in at #5 of most prize money won in 2011 and that money has come from recent events.
Bolded statement is incorrect. I've seen him at 2 of them. I will assume its more than 2.
I stand corrected, but also I believe he has not attempted the qualifiers more than twice.
I find that hard to believe, considering that puma tried out for this gsl and last gsl, which means boss had to see him at those 2 only, which I highly doubt. This puma doesn't try out for gsl myth somehow keeps getting spread by puma fans as an excuse for him never qualifying for gsl even once.
Not really a "myth" he just doesn't go for the GSL too often it seems. I don't know why in all honesty.
No, it is a myth, cause he does go for gsl often, but his fans keep saying otherwise as an excuse for him never qualifying. Some still claim he's only tried out once.
Since joining EG he has only tried twice. And the last time he got to the final round.
On January 18 2012 14:58 Sublimexx wrote: Why would you leave TSL to join a sub par, half dead foreign team?
You truly show your ignorance if you call Fnatic, one of the biggest and wealthiest eSports teams in the world, a "sub par, half dead" team. Their SC2 roster may have been lacking, but Fnatic is eSports legacy.
On January 18 2012 15:52 Wolf wrote: I talked to Lee in person about this a few times. I can't believe people think this is because TSL is 'mismanaged'. That's actually so crazy, even with the rumours that have arisen.
So the stuff that Rekrul says, like:
On August 14 2011 15:37 Rekrul wrote:
P.s. fuck oops lee still.
or:
On August 05 2011 04:59 Rekrul wrote: Even after he originally stole FD and Tester and everyone kinda just let it go and didn't make a big deal about it for the greater good of the growth of SC2 in Korea, Coach Lee was notorious for doing things like going ape shit bitching about very minuscule things such as how many players/which players can get to sit in the team area during matches, which left other coaches and GomTV staff wondering "what the fuck is wrong with this guy?"
or:
On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote: Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
That's all hearsay? I mean, I've followed Mama Bear since MBC, and always liked him, but there has to be more shit going on behind the scenes.
It's MUCH more complicated than Rekrul summed up. Of course 'shit goes on' behind the scenes, but no one who is posting in this thread knows about it.
You'd be surprised what some of us "posting in this thread" know Wolf
Please don't act like you know whats going Virgil. You have a few unreliable sources and nothing to do with TSL..
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