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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
ScoR
Profile Joined January 2012
2 Posts
January 18 2012 07:54 GMT
#361
Fnatic have, in fact, stirred the pot and confirmed intentions:

"In conclusion we highly respect both Mr Lee and aLives talents, and from Fnatic's side we will strive to work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee. "

...why would they be looking to "work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee" if they were not interested in aLive?
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 18 2012 07:54 GMT
#362
I don't feel any more informed after reading that response.

If that's all there is to this then who is this website that reported Alive had signed with Fnatic?

I'm unsatisfied.
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 18 2012 07:54 GMT
#363
looks alive is being an idiot actually
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 18 2012 07:54 GMT
#364
With the Fnatic statement I think actually Mama Bear is in the wrong here. Since there is no contract or anything
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 07:55 GMT
#365
On January 18 2012 16:50 rUiNati0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:47 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:44 ToD wrote:
http://www.fnatic.com/news/9475/Fnatic-s-stance-on-aLive-amp-TSL.html

This certainly puts an interesting twist on things.

I'm inclined to believe it somewhat at this point, seeing as most of my information came from close to TSL and could therefore be biased, however this sounds like a much larger problem than a misunderstanding.


In terms of TSL's future this seems to indicate a larger problem than if aLive was just poached. I'm also curious if aLive is pursuing Fnatic.

I agree, if it turns out that Fnatics side IS true, I'm not even sure how I'd be able to remain a staunch TSL fan at that point.

Granted, I'd still cheer for TSL and all, but my respect for Coach Lee would be at an all time low.
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 18 2012 07:55 GMT
#366
On January 18 2012 16:44 ToD wrote:
http://www.fnatic.com/news/9475/Fnatic-s-stance-on-aLive-amp-TSL.html


Looks like Virgil wasn't in the know after all.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
January 18 2012 07:56 GMT
#367
Am I the only one that is very annoyed that fnatic didn't even both to proofread their own friggin' press release? My god, it sounds AWFUL and just makes them seem that much less professional.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 18 2012 07:56 GMT
#368
On January 18 2012 16:54 ScoR wrote:
Fnatic have, in fact, stirred the pot and confirmed intentions:

"In conclusion we highly respect both Mr Lee and aLives talents, and from Fnatic's side we will strive to work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee. "

...why would they be looking to "work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee" if they were not interested in aLive?

It could simply be that aLive left the team of his own accord and then approached Fnatic, prompting Lee to think aLive was being poached and/or influenced by talks with the translator prior to leaving, therefore encouraging him (i.e. Lee) to go to the media about it despite the fact that nothing has yet been finalized.

This situation makes about as much sense as that sentence I just wrote.
Kauz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States38 Posts
January 18 2012 07:56 GMT
#369
I've read every post in this thread and the last thread on the TSL/EG thing when it happened. I think that what I'm garnering through this and the Fnatic article/clarification is that 1) a language barrier makes it easy to misunderstand and confuse 2) Coach Lee likes to accuse and ask questions later to come out as the victim and place blame on someone. I'm not sure if this a cultural thing, the blame deferral, and its very true that what we see from Fnatic is only their side, but it seems like Lee's M.O. so far.
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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 18 2012 07:56 GMT
#370
On January 18 2012 16:56 FabledIntegral wrote:
Am I the only one that is very annoyed that fnatic didn't even both to proofread their own friggin' press release? My god, it sounds AWFUL and just makes them seem that much less professional.

They got one out all things considered pretty quickly. If there's a typo in there or something that's hardly something to get offended over.
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Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
January 18 2012 07:57 GMT
#371
On January 18 2012 16:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:49 lavit2099 wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:47 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:44 ToD wrote:
http://www.fnatic.com/news/9475/Fnatic-s-stance-on-aLive-amp-TSL.html

This certainly puts an interesting twist on things.

I'm inclined to believe it somewhat at this point, seeing as most of my information came from close to TSL and could therefore be biased, however this sounds like a much larger problem than a misunderstanding.



Crow tastes pretty good, huh?

I don't see your point, it's not like Fnatics article clears any of this up at all, it simply states their side of the story. I'm still more inclined to still believe the TSL side of this over the Fnatic. However, I have noticed that you seem to have some problem with me.


Naw, it's nothing personal. It's your blind devotion to TSL and the attitude you display about how they can't seem to do wrong and they're being attacked by everyone. It's the very fact you're more inclined to still believe the TSL side of this, while you just said a moment ago how you were inclined to believe what Fnatic said and agreed that your information "could therefore be biased."
Magrath
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada292 Posts
January 18 2012 07:57 GMT
#372
Esports is really looking like a dark place. And I don't mean in a negative sense, just a lot of slimy shit that goes on that only few know about.
Anything can be acheived through persistence and thought
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2012 07:58 GMT
#373
Well the Fnatic response doesn't really clear much up, only that they haven't signed aLive because he still has a contract with TSL. It doesn't state whether or not they do have an intention (why would they reveal this, obviously), and it doesn't really try to disprove Coach Lee's statement. Somewhat vague, but I understand that they can't really say much.

One thing is for certain, aLive is fucked. There is a good chance Fnatic did have intentions to buy his contract, but now might be scared by the shitstorm this created and back out of a deal. TSL won't want him back either. So yeah, aLive is going to be teamless for a while.
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Kauz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States38 Posts
January 18 2012 07:58 GMT
#374
On January 18 2012 16:54 ScoR wrote:
Fnatic have, in fact, stirred the pot and confirmed intentions:

"In conclusion we highly respect both Mr Lee and aLives talents, and from Fnatic's side we will strive to work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee. "

...why would they be looking to "work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee" if they were not interested in aLive?


It might be that though their idea of training in-house with TSL not working out did not preclude other options of the teams working together.
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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 18 2012 07:58 GMT
#375
On January 18 2012 16:56 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:56 FabledIntegral wrote:
Am I the only one that is very annoyed that fnatic didn't even both to proofread their own friggin' press release? My god, it sounds AWFUL and just makes them seem that much less professional.

They got one out all things considered pretty quickly. If there's a typo in there or something that's hardly something to get offended over.

I agree. I definitely value the speed which they got out their statement over any minor grammatical flaws.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 18 2012 08:00 GMT
#376
I think that Lee is jumping the gun a bit. If his accusations were true, then he has all the right in the world to go and get angry to the media. But, as ToD and Fnatic have graciously cleared up, he was not completely straight on his facts. I'm not saying Lee is a bad person, or by any means a bad coach, but he needs to stop relying on the media to get his opinion out fast. He needs to sit down and solve the issue instead of mucking it up more.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:01:06
January 18 2012 08:00 GMT
#377
On January 18 2012 16:56 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:56 FabledIntegral wrote:
Am I the only one that is very annoyed that fnatic didn't even both to proofread their own friggin' press release? My god, it sounds AWFUL and just makes them seem that much less professional.

They got one out all things considered pretty quickly. If there's a typo in there or something that's hardly something to get offended over.



There were like 3 different run on sentences. And no, I'd rather a press release take 10-15 more minutes to be released and sound professional.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
January 18 2012 08:00 GMT
#378
._.

Fucking so stupid. eDrama gets annoying fast. It seems weird that most of it seems to be around TSL. Makes me wonder what's going on in that house to have so many issues because coincidence is a little too hard to claim by now.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 18 2012 08:00 GMT
#379
On January 18 2012 16:55 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:50 rUiNati0n wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:47 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:44 ToD wrote:
http://www.fnatic.com/news/9475/Fnatic-s-stance-on-aLive-amp-TSL.html

This certainly puts an interesting twist on things.

I'm inclined to believe it somewhat at this point, seeing as most of my information came from close to TSL and could therefore be biased, however this sounds like a much larger problem than a misunderstanding.


In terms of TSL's future this seems to indicate a larger problem than if aLive was just poached. I'm also curious if aLive is pursuing Fnatic.

I agree, if it turns out that Fnatics side IS true, I'm not even sure how I'd be able to remain a staunch TSL fan at that point.

Granted, I'd still cheer for TSL and all, but my respect for Coach Lee would be at an all time low.


Wow, big of you do say that. However, its not over yet.. we just have to sit back and see which story is correct.

The realist in me is inclined to believe fnatic's statement and its more believable to me that alive (and heart) on his own accord due to "personal reasons."

I get no pleasure in seeing TSL trashed around like this but I also don't think its because they're unlucky. Something is up with their team.. whether its the management or the lack of leadership.

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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 18 2012 08:01 GMT
#380
this changed everything. tnx for update much appreciated !
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