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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
EDIT:...now that I think about it, if you used fingermovement for RTS, going with something like 1600-2200 DPI, you're practically training different muscles. It may make transitioning from your FPS settings to RTS and back only take a mindset switch, instead of retraining your brain, since you're using different muscles. Like, if your FPS memory is a saved file, instead of saving over it, you save your RTS memory in a new location -- the finger-focused movements! Ha ha ha, maybe. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20310 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:38 stokes17 wrote: so you move your whole arm the length of your huge mouse pad to go across your screen? Yikes dood that sounds kind of low imo I can move my death adder maybe 2-3 inches to go across my 24 in monitor. (44% in game and 3500dpi) More importantly though if you are actually trying to play at a high level (like above mid masters or so) you really shouldn't be scrolling at all. Control groups, camera caps, and mini map clicking are all more efficient than scrolling This too, theres a program that records mouse movement into an image (a black line following cursor movement) that is very useful, but generally you can play without scrolling to the side of the screen very much, you can also hold down the scroll wheel and move mouse to move camera around as well if you just want to move a little bit, but it is still important to be able to scroll if you have to do so (or even be able to reach the minimap easily to click on it somewhere) Also, it is an honor to post in the same thread as you Day9 (: | ||
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:37 Day[9] wrote: There's no right or wrong w/ mouse sensitivity! There are pros who have fairly low sensitivity and move their whole arm around actively (not just wrists and fingers!). Others, including myself, use very high sensitivity with great accuracy. (I recently dropped my sensitivity ab it due to an injury  .)Make sure that whatever you do feels comfortable for you! If you find yourself having a very difficult time scrolling to the edges of the screen, try to adjust the sensitivity to something that feels good for that task. Then, relearn other control problems (such as having trouble right clicking on small units accurately). You'll be surprised to find your brain becomes comfortable w/ new sensitivities very quickly .Day9? “The” day9? I feel like I’m underdressed for such a great occasion…lol  Big fan! You are just so damn handsome (in the most non-gay way of course)..lolThanks you for the advice! I’m convinced. I’m going to raise my settings just a tad so I can get to the edges of the screen better and then just relearn accuracy. I think in the long term it’s going to be better for my game. Thanks everyone! | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:41 FoxyMayhem wrote: I find 1200-2200 to be the best range due to a hand injury (used to play 2900, but 1800 offers the best accuracy-to-stress payoff for me), but Day9 says it best. As someone else said, its about finger movements for me, keeping arm movement to a minimum. EDIT:...now that I think about it, if you used fingermovement for RTS, going with something like 1600-2200 DPI, you're practically training different muscles. It may make transitioning from your FPS settings to RTS and back only take a mindset switch, instead of retraining your brain, since you're using different muscles. Like, if your FPS memory is a saved file, instead of saving over it, you save your RTS memory in a new location -- the finger-focused movements! Ha ha ha, maybe. I was a semi-pro cs player, who used his large portion of the arm to move mouse on low sensitivity, switching to rtses was one of the most painful learning experience, i used to have different sensitivites pad/mouse/keyobard/chair position every 2 days, now im forcing myself into 1 position that ecnourages mostly wrist movements, i lost uncountable matches because of "uneasy" constrained feeling, but slowly im getting better at it. Whenever you do a switch or force yourself into position you/ your body is not familiar with it becomes really long way, but in the end its better. I watched many video data on pros hand positioning on keyboard / mouse (mostly bw ones) and i have to say it varies. It also varies depending on your desk mousepad and chair, even monitor distance is a big difference. But i noticed that 90% of bw pros has the same mousepad keyobard pattern which is keyboard slightly further than mouse and mouse on the right so they dont "bend" their hand on mouse whenever they need to reach something (when your mouse in closer to the center of your body you end up with slightly bent to the left hand, i used to have it like that because it felt "better" at the beginning but i noticed its kinda bad because i moved my mouse pad to much. As i was supporting more waight on my hand and moved mousepad with it). Yes im weird :D | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
Obviously, being inaccurate is going to cause huge inefficiencies. But at the same time, moving your hand large distances takes more time. If you want to do the most in the smallest amount of time, you have to move the mouse the least distance while being accurate. Think about it, marine splits are just not something you can effectively do with such a low sensitivity. Micro must be incredibly tough. I've always been an RTS/RPG gamer with FPS on the side, so I've always played my FPS at the same settings. But, if you're gonna switch, you're gonna lose for a while. | ||
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alepoff
140 Posts
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navy
Canada197 Posts
You can turn it up or down by whatever amount you want by messing with registry keys even if your driver forces it to be in certain increments. Or you can just do it in SC2 if its not already at 100%. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:27 p1cKLes wrote: Yea, I know there's a 5% accel with the sensor they use, but funny enough I can't really tell with the sensei as much as I could with the xai. I heard they did a small firmware update to the sensor to help the problem (not confirmed) ... Maybe you don't trigger the acceleration of the Sensei, because you stay under a certain movement speed (see here). On January 07 2012 02:31 Cyro wrote: 600-800 is a good window for that, i do think 450 is too low as well to play for extended periods of time I think 600-800 is indeed a good window. But I guess it is difficult to say, as the size of your hands is a factor (so maybe the window is 400-1200? (on a 1920x1080 resolution)). Anyways, I think it's safe to say that someone using a mouse at 11400 CPI (hello Sensei) on a 1920x1080 Screen cannot possibly be any good. On January 07 2012 02:46 p1cKLes wrote: I’m going to raise my settings just a tad so I can get to the edges of the screen better and then just relearn accuracy. I think in the long term it’s going to be better for my game. I tried using 450 CPI on a 1600x1200 screen for a short while, but I experienced the same problems as you did. As Day9 already said, your brain should become comfortable with a new sensitivity setting quite fast. So how is the 540 CPI working out for you? On February 01 2012 22:26 Felnarion wrote: In my opinion, you should use the highest sensitivity at which you can be accurate with mouse clicks. Obviously, being inaccurate is going to cause huge inefficiencies. But at the same time, moving your hand large distances takes more time. If you want to do the most in the smallest amount of time, you have to move the mouse the least distance while being accurate. Think about it, marine splits are just not something you can effectively do with such a low sensitivity. Micro must be incredibly tough. I've always been an RTS/RPG gamer with FPS on the side, so I've always played my FPS at the same settings. In my opinion, one should use the lowest sensitivity at which one can be fast enough with one's mouse movement. The reason for this: the faster your mouse is (the more CPI you run it with), the more difficult it is to aim precisely. If you do have a mouse which runs at 3000 CPI you won't be able to aim at a small target as fast as someone which runs his mouse at 1000 CPI. The result: the 3000 CPI player loses his speed advantage (at least in part). The one exception: the level of needed precision is so low, that it can be easily achieved with even a very high CPI setting. But I don't think this is true for SC 2. Just take a look at Idra cloning in that video Cyro posted. Maybe you could argue, that using 1400 CPI instead of 1000 CPI makes you faster, while still enabling you to be precise enough in SC 2. Maybe that is true. There is another factor though: Another result of high CPI values is, that they are stressfull to your hand. I will quote an excellent post made by MisterFred on overclock.net, which explains this: "When I'm talking about micro-movements its generally a problem for very high sensitivity users attempting high precision tasks. Moving your hand a centimeter is not a micro-motion. Moving your hand a fraction of a millimeter is. It doesn't have a ton to do with mouse shape or grip, although I would guess claw grippers might be a tad more susceptible too it (moving the mouse with shifts of the finger rather than moving the entire hand while the grip remains steady? I don't claw grip). Basically, if a small motion is still difficult, it's bad. Essentially the reason is that if you're trying hard to point the mouse exactly where it needs to be, your hand will generally tense up (and often stay tensed up). With a continuously tensed hand shifting ever so slightly very often, it's a recipe for repetitive stress syndromes. I'm not the most eloquent person, so I'll use the example I like best: minesweeper. Take a gaming mouse, set it to some ridiculously high DPI (let's say 5000 - 3200 is enough for me to notice) and try to play minesweeper on the large board. For most people, it's really freaking hard. They'll keep over-shooting or under-shooting boxes because fine muscle control is quite hard. To compensate, most people will instinctively grip their mouse harder and keep it gripped very hard whenever they move the mouse. Eventually you realize you've been white-knuckle gripping the mouse the entire game of minesweeper and your hand is really tired. Much more tired, in fact, than if you used a lower DPI and moved the mouse far more in total difference, but in a more relaxed manner. That's an extreme example, but it illustrates the concept well. On the other end of the spectrum, set the DPI as low as it can go and even the windows sensitivity down. Big, sweeping gestures are needed to get the cursor from one end of the computer screen to the other, but stopping on any one individual pixel (or minesweeper box) is, relatively, much easier. And even if your arm is working harder, your hand is much more relaxed. So if you're trying out various DPI settings, I'd recommend playing minesweeper for half an hour or so (when its feeling healthy, don't stress it if its not, lol, get off the computer) and seeing if your hand gets tired. If it does, the sensitivity (or, I suppose, mouse shape) is too high. Dial down the DPI, try again a few hours later, and your hand will probably feel much less tired." tl;dr: The optimal mouse sensitivity for SC 2 should be set as low as possible and should enable you to play comfortably (e. g. not frantically having to lift off your mouse every few seconds). | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Although rather than saying that one should pick the least sensitive DPI they can use to perform the fastest motion. I prefer to use the MOST sensitive DPI i can use and still handle the SMALLEST detailed motion. I want speed, but I will never give up my very pristine smalltime movements. Also just to expound on what people have been saying. Changing sensitivity only works if you are adjusting DPI. Changing it any other way is inferior and no matter how much practice you put in you will never undo this. | ||
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Frauk
Norway36 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Right before you're about to improve drastically in some way, your play will be below what you're used it. Gotta get worse before you get better. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
It will be weird at first, but even after a couple hours, I think you'll like it | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
6/11 bars for the mouse setting in the control panel, and 52% mouse sensitivity in game, and to make sure mouse acceleration is off. Then they say if you really want the mouse to move faster with accuracy you need a mouse with a higher dpi setting and only change the dpi setting. Now this is all fine , but this does not seem to be true, because as a matter of fact i have screen captured alot of the "pro streams", when they went into there option settings. For instance i see Nestea uses a mouse sensitivity of 70% ![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2a4y7it.jpg) I see marine king uses a mouse sensitivity of 60% These are 2 guys that have done extremely well in the gsl while probably not even knowing what the best options are for the mouse in regards to the sensitivity and how to adjust it properly. So this leads me to believe it really does not matter about pixel lost or anything, Basically the conclusion i have drawn is that ignore what anybody says, mess around with the settings until you feel its right. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
"Do as we say not as we do" Just because those players are really good, doesnt mean they can't be even better. The facts are the facts. There is also another problem and thats sponsorship. If your sponsor hands you shit products like Steelseries does on a daily basis. Your gonna do what you can with what you got. Some players manage to use good gear anyway with a sponsor logo on it, but then they get called out on it later on by someone. | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
I would suggest getting used to higher sensitivity, because it will benefit you the most in the longrun. Just my 2 cents. ^-^ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20310 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:40 jinixxx123 wrote: i recently got a new mouse, and from all the mouse threads ive checked up concerning this. Every person has recommended 6/11 bars for the mouse setting in the control panel, and 52% mouse sensitivity in game, and to make sure mouse acceleration is off. Then they say if you really want the mouse to move faster with accuracy you need a mouse with a higher dpi setting and only change the dpi setting. Now this is all fine , but this does not seem to be true, because as a matter of fact i have screen captured alot of the "pro streams", when they went into there option settings. For instance i see Nestea uses a mouse sensitivity of 70% I see marine king uses a mouse sensitivity of 60% These are 2 guys that have done extremely well in the gsl while probably not even knowing what the best options are for the mouse in regards to the sensitivity and how to adjust it properly. So this leads me to believe it really does not matter about pixel lost or anything, Basically the conclusion i have drawn is that ignore what anybody says, mess around with the settings until you feel its right. You can be a GSL champion with pixel skipping, sure, but those settings are simply inferior from a technological standpoint. There is no reason to copy them. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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pandaburn
United States89 Posts
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