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This is probably a stupid question, but I am pretty sure it hasn’t been asked before. I did use the search function and didn’t manage to come across anything along these lines. I do apologize if there is a thread discussing this particular scenario, and I just manage to miss it. I also wasn’t quite sure if this was more technical in nature, but felt like this was the more appropriate thread because it had to do specifically with SC2.
Background info:
I have a Sensei and before that the Xai. I love the mouse and I’ve spent the last year and half practicing with a 450CPI/DPI with the in-game sensitivity shut off. No accel, 6/11, 100% scroll speed and a 25" monitor. I have a huge mouse pad, and I come from the FPS world. I always set up my mouse sensitivity where I can go from left to right without lifting up my mouse or hand to ensure it barely touches the left side of the screen to the right i.e. a perfect 180 in the FPS world. However, as I get better (my first RTS game ever), I’m finding that I am having difficulty screen scrolling because I have to lift up my entire hand and jerk it drastically to get to the side of the screen and scroll. So if I’m in the middle of a battle and have to micro I fumble around trying to screen scroll which takes away from my micro.
Question:
Now my mouse works in 90 increment intervals so the next one up is 540. So the question is, do I relearn all my muscle memory that I just spent a year and half learning for better map control/scroll? Or should I just learn to deal with it? Is it extremely important the higher up you get to be able to move around the screen quickly? Or do some of you maybe use drag scroll with the mouse wheel?
If you are a low DPI player like me (and higher up in the ranks) how important is it to be able to scroll around the map quickly vs. precision? Right I’m to the point where I can literally rally back my scv to the mineral patch with my eyes closed because it is so engrained into my muscle memory. I hate to have to relearn that if it’s not necessary…
Thanks for your help even if it is a silly question that I’m sure most of you haven’t given a lot of thought about  I just so badly want to be good at this game. It's the first game in my life that even after a year and half playing I still feel like I'll be playing it until I'm 50. That's if Dec 21, 2012 doesn't get us..lol
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You can increase screen scroll speed without increasing mouse sensitivity.
Menu -> Options -> Controls: Mouse Scroll Speed. Just bump that up as necessary. Shouldn't be an extremely drastic change.
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On January 07 2012 02:06 Phantom09 wrote:
You can increase screen scroll speed without increasing mouse sensitivity.
Menu -> Options -> Controls: Mouse Scroll Speed. Just bump that up as necessary. Shouldn't be an extremely drastic change.
I probably should have put that in the post, but my screen speed is at 100%. The problem I find is because I can barely touch the sides of the screen now with my low dpi. So in order to scroll I have to lift my hand and arm, which is a pain when you are in the middle of micro.
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Although my problem wasn't as complicated as yours regarding playing as FPS as well as SC2, I think I can safely say that I can't play SC2 nearly as well with my "FPS mouse speed" as opposed to my "SC2 mouse speed". I used to do the same thing you did and tried playing SC2 with a ridiculously slow mouse speed that I used for FPS's. Eventually I decided to up the sensitivity a little bit, but just enough for it to allow me to have full control when I played SC2. Sure, playing FPS was a little harder but at that point I played more SC2 than FPS's anyways. My advice, try upping the sensitivity just a tad and try to get used to that, it'll help you in SC2 I guarentee it.
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On January 07 2012 02:06 Phantom09 wrote:
You can increase screen scroll speed without increasing mouse sensitivity.
Menu -> Options -> Controls: Mouse Scroll Speed. Just bump that up as necessary. Shouldn't be an extremely drastic change.
He still has to drag his mouse all the way to the edge of his screen, which I believe is the root of this problem (it takes too long because of his low sensitivity).
I'd say since you are clearly experiencing problems with your current sensitivity, increase it and adapt. I use 1400 DPI on a Razer Lachesis myself.
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I had the same problem in the beginning, used to extremely low sens from fps games. Just turning up the sens quite abit and getting used to it fixed the problem for me in SC2.
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I’m finding that I am having difficulty screen scrolling because I have to lift up my entire hand and jerk it drastically to get to the side of the screen and scroll. So if I’m in the middle of a battle and have to micro I fumble around trying to screen scroll which takes away from my micro.
I was going to say it's okay to play at lowish sensitivities in SC2, but by the sound of this description you could probably benefit from raising it up a bit.
In general I'd advise against screen scrolling unless the distance is really short. It's easier, and also a better habit, to navigate across the map via hotkeys and clicking on the minimap.
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My mouse moves about 1/2 inch in either direction, max. Arm movements and palm grip are for FPS. RTS is about the finger grip, and precise tiny movements.
Technically it's personal preference, but it's more effective of course. Lifting your hand at any point in time is a no-no. I think high sensitivity is extremely important. There's very little trade-off in terms of accuracy or precision. Even with high sensitivity i can do everything correctly.
As for moving screen, you shouldn't use the arrow keys or drag scrolling. Always use the minimap to move around, or location hotkeys. Hitting the side of the screen to move around is only for slight movements of half a screen length or so. Anything else, use minimap and hotkeys.
Some pros use arrow keys and pan scrolling and palm grip etc, though, but i think everyone agrees they are hindering themselves.
And don't worry, you'll get used to it faster than you think.
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I use a lower sensitivity on FPS games, and a much higher sensitivity in Starcraft, not sure the exact dpi but I would definitely recommend putting it up a notch.
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@Everyone - Thank you guys! As always very helpful. I'm starting to agree. I think long term, I'm going to benefit more with a slightly higher DPI even though in the short term it's going to be a pain in the butt. I just don't want to relearn it damn it..lol but in the end it's probably going to be better.
@Jojo - Agreed. I actually do use my minimap and hotkeys quite a bit...Where I get hung up is the micro battles (terran kiting) and when I'm in my main. Otherwise, I'm pretty good about using hotkeys.
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I used to play on a really low DPI like that, but I bought a Deathadder about 6 months ago and have played at 3500 DPI since.
I don't change my in game sensitivity or anything.
Honestly it only took about 4-5 days to really get the hang out it, and I played sc1 on that low DPI for 6 years before hand.
Playing on 3500 was the best switch I've ever made
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Just raise it and re-learn muscle memory etc. The Xai and the Sensai both have hardware level acceleration so your muscle memory wont be that solid anyway. What grip are you using?
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On January 07 2012 02:19 LovE- wrote:I used to play on a really low DPI like that, but I bought a Deathadder about 6 months ago and have played at 3500 DPI since. I don't change my in game sensitivity or anything. Honestly it only took about 4-5 days to really get the hang out it, and I played sc1 on that low DPI for 6 years before hand. Playing on 3500 was the best switch I've ever made
Really? Thank you, that's pretty encouraging. I'm of the mindset that if it's going to be better for me in the long run, then I should just do it and it sounds like the general consensus is it will.
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On January 07 2012 02:23 p1cKLes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 02:19 LovE- wrote:I used to play on a really low DPI like that, but I bought a Deathadder about 6 months ago and have played at 3500 DPI since. I don't change my in game sensitivity or anything. Honestly it only took about 4-5 days to really get the hang out it, and I played sc1 on that low DPI for 6 years before hand. Playing on 3500 was the best switch I've ever made Really? Thank you, that's pretty encouraging. I'm of the mindset that if it's going to be better for me in the long run, then I should just do it and it sounds like the general consensus is it will.
Dont jump to 3500... pretty stupid, you can play just fine and with far greater accuracy/precision on lower sens settings... Im fine playing for 10+ hours @6/11 800dpi without accel etc, and pretty much anyone who actuly micro's at all plays at similar settings. Switching from 3200 to 800 was the best switch i made, in contrast (and lower for FPS).
+ Show Spoiler + IdrA plays low sens, not exactly sure how low, but it makes extremely obvious improvements to everything if you can control the mouse properly.
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On January 07 2012 02:23 Cyro wrote:
Just raise it and re-learn muscle memory etc. The Xai and the Sensai both have hardware level acceleration so your muscle memory wont be that solid anyway. What grip are you using?
Yea, I know there's a 5% accel with the sensor they use, but funny enough I can't really tell with the sensei as much as I could with the xai. I heard they did a small firmware update to the sensor to help the problem (not confirmed).
I use a mild version of the claw grip.
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On January 07 2012 02:27 p1cKLes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 02:23 Cyro wrote:
Just raise it and re-learn muscle memory etc. The Xai and the Sensai both have hardware level acceleration so your muscle memory wont be that solid anyway. What grip are you using? Yea, I know there's a 5% accel with the sensor they use, but funny enough I can't really tell with the sensei as much as I could with the xai. I heard they did a small firmware update to the sensor to help the problem (not confirmed). I use a mild version of the claw grip.
They market positive AND negative acceleration as a feature of the Sensai, i wouldnt touch it with a 5ft stick
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@Cyro - That's such a ridiculous split..lol No, obviously I wouldn't jump that high. I'm thinking just a little bit. Enough to be able to make fine screen scroll movements without lifting my hand.
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On January 07 2012 02:30 p1cKLes wrote:
@Cyro - That's such a ridiculous split..lol No, obviously I wouldn't jump that high. I'm thinking just a little bit. Enough to be able to make fine screen scroll movements without lifting my hand.
600-800 is a good window for that, i do think 450 is too low as well to play for extended periods of time
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There's no right or wrong w/ mouse sensitivity! There are pros who have fairly low sensitivity and move their whole arm around actively (not just wrists and fingers!). Others, including myself, use very high sensitivity with great accuracy. (I recently dropped my sensitivity ab it due to an injury  .)
Make sure that whatever you do feels comfortable for you! If you find yourself having a very difficult time scrolling to the edges of the screen, try to adjust the sensitivity to something that feels good for that task. Then, relearn other control problems (such as having trouble right clicking on small units accurately). You'll be surprised to find your brain becomes comfortable w/ new sensitivities very quickly .
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so you move your whole arm the length of your huge mouse pad to go across your screen? Yikes dood that sounds kind of low imo
I can move my death adder maybe 2-3 inches to go across my 24 in monitor. (44% in game and 3500dpi)
More importantly though if you are actually trying to play at a high level (like above mid masters or so) you really shouldn't be scrolling at all. Control groups, camera caps, and mini map clicking are all more efficient than scrolling
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