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Hi Khaldor. Not seen the last couple of days as I do not have a GSTL pass, just the standard annual GSL. Sounds like I am missing out but the truth is there is only so much time right?
Anyway's I believe you are improving steadily as a caster and you should be commended for that. Your understanding of the game is excellent for a play by play caster but it not up to par for an analytical one so pairing yourself with likes of Wolf/Artosis or Apollo is preferable.
Where can you improve. Well I will stick to one thing that bugs me on occasion (no idea what others think as I have not seen anyone else mention it so take that as you will).
In those key moments its good to get excited and raise your voice as long as what comes out is comprehensible and with you it invariably is but you also tend to repeat yourself 2-3 times during these occasions. This repeating is somewhat grating. If you could vary it up a bit and I know its difficult I think you would raise you level still further.
Love the passion though and keep up the hard word as it is paying off
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On July 01 2012 13:02 brinker wrote:
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EDIT: Has anyone ever thought that the heavy zerg bias is due to most GSTL games being ZvX matchups?
Well yeah, as I said (Zerg dominance in GSTL), and considering Khaldor's main race (Zerg again) it's definitely understandable that Khaldor would get excited more over zerg gameplay when he's casting. I mean, that's what we all do for our race. The problem is: should he really, and to this extent?
As a side effect of the Zerg prevalence, Khaldor is starting to overwhelm Wolf a little in their cast, the poor guy doesn't get to say much anymore. But this doesn't concern me as much to be honest.
To my knowledge, this thread is here so that Khaldor can grab things he can work on to improve his casting.
As AxionSteel rightly said, playing random a bit would be a very good start for him to understand more things from the other races' point of view. Is it a big sacrifice when you're a professional SC2 caster? I'd like to think not.
Now the following is more of my personal own biased Terran opinion so don't take it as seriously, I could very well be alone to think that :D
As a caster you have to be aware that certain situations are easier to handle for one race than the other. Examples:
- PvT: Formerly (a long time ago), 1-1-1 vs Protoss, harder for Protoss.
- PvT: Nowadays, late game TvP when storm and colossus are both in play, harder for Terran.
- PvT: double medivac timing, hard for Protoss.
- PvZ: immortal sentry push, defense hard for Zerg.
- PvZ: 200/200 12 min roach timing, hard for Protoss.
- TvZ: lategame broodlord-infestor, hard for Terran.
- TvZ: (formerly) bunker rushes, double fact hellion, hard for Zerg.
- TvZ: I don't know what's hard for Zerg anymore in that matchup (honestly :D), so I'm gonna say: nuke harass very late game, hard for Zerg (??).
I tried to remain as impartial as possible to present some common such situations.
In those situations, I don't think the caster should praise the player with the easier thing to do more than he does the player who has a hard time. So if you see a PvZ immortal sentry all in, allegedly hard to hold for Z, don't comment too much on how great and beautiful the P strat is. Mention the quality of the forcefields, but don't be like "OMG Z got caught so hard by that!". Try to praise Z for the effort he puts in the defense, the ideas he's coming up with (like counterattacks, targetting the proxy pylons or something). Conversely, when P tries to go for a 3rd base and he's facing a max roach at 12 minutes, don't be like "Z outmultitasking P hard, such beautiful play!". Try to praise Protoss for trying to split his army well even if it wasn't as perfect as to succeed.
I'm gonna pass on the TvZ examples (to not sound more biased than I already am :D), but you can imagine what I would say as a Terran player.
With Khaldor's Zerg bias and praise, it sounds like Zerg has the harder things to execute, the hardest time in the game, etc.. whereas it's definitely not always true currently, so it can be misleading. I'm not saying he always does that, as he does indeed sometimes praise Protoss and Terran micro in his casts, but it's the general feel.
That was a fucking long wall of text, I'm sorry for that, and I don't think Khaldor will give this much importance at all. Do note however that I'm only stating here what I find wrong in Khaldor's casting. I like Khaldor and I don't want him gone, he casts like a beast and I hope he will continue, of course.
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On July 01 2012 13:28 iGoTThiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 13:11 AxionSteel wrote:On July 01 2012 13:06 iGoTThiZ wrote:On July 01 2012 12:59 AxionSteel wrote:You really can't take negative feedback at all, apparently. Anyone who criticises you are just blind haters. I mean multiple people have noted how zerg biased you were yesterday, it was so obvious to see. On July 01 2012 03:18 ZenithM wrote:
Especially since the start of the Zerg domination in GSTL, Khaldor's zerg bias has been showing really heavily. He only ever talks about Zerg, what the Zerg is doing, what the Zerg should do, how well Zerg's playing and how beautiful the fangels are.
We also have the occasion to listen to endless Zerg's gameplay theory rants, while other things are happening on the screen. The outcome of a game is always due to the Zerg's beautiful play or bad mistake, while according no credit to the other player.
I thought it had become better in the past, but it's really becoming noticeable again these days. Just watch today's GSTL games (TSL vs NSH) to get what I'm saying. I mean I really doubt how anyone can argue against this who watched yesterdays games, the first game especially was literally 80% about zerg theory, what shine was doing, what he needed to do and how good he was playing compared to his opponent (who played rather flawlessly). In the end, I'm not a hater, I like your casting a lot, I'm just giving honest feedback, as lots of others are. If you can't see it, then so be it. His main race is Z so it is not hard to believe that he would mostly talk about the race that he does understand at a high level. If he started talking as much about a race that he doesnt play and he starts getting things wrong then you guys would be here talking about how he makes so many mistakes and is clueless. He is doing the right thing by talking about what he does know. Doesn't make for a balanced cast though. Apollo switched from zerg to random so he could get a better understanding (and appreciation, after seeing him get crushed so often with terran  ) of all three races, I think it'd be a good thing to do for a professional commentator. That is true but it's not like Khaldor is ONLY talking about zerg every game. There are plently of times that he talks about beautiful splits etc. Think some people just want something to complain about and he knows it. He just adds a little more spunk towards a race that he mains for obvious reasons. Each one of us would be doing the same thing with our main race if we ever casted. Isnt Apollo gold or bronze? i remember someone Incontrol bringing that up somewhere. He is not really achieving anything over Khaldor from just watching Pro's play than what Apollo is doing on ladder. In the end i think his current knowledge of other races from just watching pro's play and him playing other races is enough imo.
Nope, Apollo is mid-high EU Masters. And it's certainly far more than just adding a little spunk 
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My only complain is how, some time, Khaldor go on a super long rant about the last game, during the next one. And, maybe it's just me, but I kinda feel like you don't let Wolf talk so much, when you are going on one of those rant.
But, really good job. Enjoyable casting and that is what is the most important.
Wolf-Artosis and Wolf-Tasteless was really fun, too. Maybe we could get Khaldor-Tasteless and Khaldor-Artosis soon.
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great caster =-], ignore the haters. they complain like old men "my back hurts"..."MAHHHHHHHHH GET ME A BACK RUB!! >:O"
they always find something to complain about
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I feel your casts are very boring and bland... You add nothing cool and exciting to the cast. Sorry.
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I usually think you do an amazing job casting, but the other night w/ MarineKing vs MC, your shouting actually took away from the game itself. I thought to myself "seriously?" when you did that. You're an amazing caster, and I hope you dont take this post as offensive because its just some constructive criticism. Anyway keep up the great work at GOM!
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On June 30 2012 20:22 Khaldor wrote:
Heyhey,
The second thing I want to point out is the tweet that was quoted above. I don't know exactly why that would make someone "cringe". It's the plain and obvious truth (is that statement even contestable?). Different people like different ways of casting. I have a style that some people love, other people might not like it. That's how the world works. It's not our job to please EVERYONE. We can't, it is literally impossible. We have our strengths and our weaknesses and I will always try to improve. But at the same time I have to realize that I will never please everyone out there.
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I said that because even thou its true that you don't cater to a single fan if you say it like that you sound like you don't value the viewers if you call them out like that. Either ignore them or just say you accept their feedback and try to do better( even if you ignore them in the end). If you treat fans badly or start arguing with them nothing good will come out of it.
When you say that you don't really care about 1 fan but about the majority it sends out bad PR and makes you look bad. Not to mention that fan/fans that agree with him will feel bad and they will not have a good time. Your job is to entertain, not argue with fans. That's just my opinion. I never said that you should please everyone in the world or that you should have no weaknesess in casting, just that you shouldn't call out fans like that.
Another thing is that I appreaciate that you work had and cast alot and you do alot. You are one of the casters that keeps the most contact with the fans and viewers and I like that. In my opinion you should try to have a larger dictionary when casting. Especially when casting zerg and roach battles in perticular. I swear that I have heard the exact same words to describe the battles in almost all of your casts. Maybe it's just me but you should try to diversify the words you use like artosis does when he casts the same kind of games/battles.
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Casters really suck in general and Khaldor is no exception. :/
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i can't stand the bitching about khaldor's accent or his enthusiasm. Americans want everyone to look and sound like them. So incredibly annoying. and his enthusiasm is what makes his casting so different from others. It's just his style and i love it. Makes me get even more excited about what's happening.
If I have one complaint its that Khaldor narrates the on screen action too much. take it from Vin Scully that sometimes less words is more. there are times for great excitement and time to just let the listener take in all the action for him/herself. There are also times when we just want to digest what has just happened. So Khaldor, maybe you can think about when it might be better to let the action itself do the talking. but overall, great great job and I've loved it so far. Thanks a lot
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On July 01 2012 18:20 HaN- wrote:
Casters really suck in general and Khaldor is no exception. :/
then i dont understand you watch sc2
there a pretty rule, if everyone expect you suck, ... perhaps its the other way around
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Hey Khaldor,
ive been following your stream and casts for a long time and i liked it a lot until dreamhack happened. Since DH with Incontrol i feel like you dont really try to work WITH your co-caster: everybody talks about good chemistry between you and wolf but i sometimes feel like youre ignoring him. the same counts for incontrol at DH. To be specific: You know Incontrol just tells a random joke and you just completely ignore it. Another thing is when your co-caster ends the sentence with "you agree buddy?" or "how do you feel about this?" you just fuckin open a completely new topic and ignore what your co-caster just said. i really hate the way you sometimes dont apreciate them. Im not saying it happens all the time, but often enough that i noticed it..
Look i dont hate you but the way you treat your partner, its not a solo but a duocast
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On July 01 2012 20:08 Dosenfett wrote:
Hey Khaldor,
ive been following your stream and casts for a long time and i liked it a lot until dreamhack happened. Since DH with Incontrol i feel like you dont really try to work WITH your co-caster: everybody talks about good chemistry between you and wolf but i sometimes feel like youre ignoring him. the same counts for incontrol at DH. To be specific: You know Incontrol just tells a random joke and you just completely ignore it. Another thing is when your co-caster ends the sentence with "you agree buddy?" or "how do you feel about this?" you just fuckin open a completely new topic and ignore what your co-caster just said. i really hate the way you sometimes dont apreciate them. Im not saying it happens all the time, but often enough that i noticed it..
Look i dont hate you but the way you treat your partner, its not a solo but a duocast
im a khaldor fan.. but i agree with him in some points and i hope you gonna read this and work on it so you get closer to be a perfect caster
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On July 01 2012 14:34 Xalorian wrote:
Wolf-Artosis and Wolf-Tasteless was really fun, too. Maybe we could get Khaldor-Tasteless and Khaldor-Artosis soon.
Khaltosis happened, and it was amazing
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On July 01 2012 20:56 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 14:34 Xalorian wrote:
Wolf-Artosis and Wolf-Tasteless was really fun, too. Maybe we could get Khaldor-Tasteless and Khaldor-Artosis soon. Khaltosis happened, and it was amazing
Anything with "tosis" is amasing.
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On July 01 2012 21:02 Terrick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 20:56 liberate71 wrote:On July 01 2012 14:34 Xalorian wrote:
Wolf-Artosis and Wolf-Tasteless was really fun, too. Maybe we could get Khaldor-Tasteless and Khaldor-Artosis soon. Khaltosis happened, and it was amazing Anything with "tosis" is amasing.
Artosis is like the ultimate Starcraft commentator, everyone else should aspire to be a bit more like him :D
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tbh..... I think I like Khaldor solo casting with his computer best. I mean, it's like he casts WITH his audience when he's casting alone with twitter/reddit 
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On July 01 2012 12:20 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:23 speknek wrote:
This is how I feel as well. A simple example, every fungal is "incredible" and "beautiful" but no props goes to insane splits and other terran things that are much harder to execute than fungalling. That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Do you even listen to my casts? Or do you just hate because you feel like it? Comments like this make feedback threads to fucking annoying because one has to wade all this fabrication to find some honest feedback that one can really improve on. Everyone's a critic nowadays. And if you don't know what you are talking about just make random shit up. Haters gonna hate, really tiresome
This type of response is really unprofessional and it shows your arrogance. The community is simply here to provide you with feedback in a thread that you created yourself. You ought to listen to every feedback and respond to it in a somewhat humble fashion. At least if you want to show you care about the people you cast for and if you want to show us that you are trying to improve. Speknek provides you with feedback and you retort by simply saying it's 'fucking annoying'. I personally think speknek's feedback is valid so there is no reason to throw out a number of swear words and hypothetical questions. And even if his feedback wasn't valid, then in your position as a 'top level caster' you should still refrain from calling it 'fucking annoying' or 'making random shit up'
Personally I really dislike your castings, but I will admit that they have gotten better over the course of the last few months and that is something I can respect a lot. Initially when you were casting with Moletrap it was so bad that I didn't bother watching Code A anymore. When Moletrap left I gave it another shot and noticed you've made significant progress. If you take it another step further I think I might be able to enjoy Code A again. So hoping that you won't consider the next few points the 'most stupid thing you've ever heard' here goes my feedback:
- Try to work on your pronunciation. Obviously this isn't a huge deal, but when you constantly pronounce expansion as expanzion and burrow as borrow and fungal as ...., then it comes a bit annoying to listen to. The audience is basically constantly reminded that they are listening to a non-native English speaker. I think when you work on these simple things the flow of your cast will improve. Perhaps ask Wolf which words you say wrong and don't threaten to beat him up if he tells you honestly.
- Please stop berating players for doing 'bad' things. There are a variety of reasons for it. For example I play at grand master level and sometimes see things you call a mistake as completely fine. It happens quite regularly that you say a player is making a mistake, while in fact he isn't. What compounds the issue here is that you go on a barrage saying how bad it is. You will actually repeat the word 'bad' or 'this is so bad' several times without adding any new information each time you repeat it. Please keep in mind that you are casting players who are a multitude better than you and that you as a caster can see everything, but that the players do not always have all the information they need. What the player is doing might not actually be 'bad'. My suggestion would be to quit using the word bad altogether. Rather go for a milder approach and question why he didn't do something or suggest that the player needs to start doing x soon or he will be in trouble. This makes it better for the audience to watch, it shows more respect towards the players you are casting and it will avoid the situation where you as a caster are wrong and make a fool out of yourself.
- Passion is good, but during battles shouting is incredibly annoying. Talking fast with a loud voice is similarly annoying. It is simply unpleasant to listen to, because at this point you stop providing any information and turn into a shouting person that is describing what's going on. Keep the passion, but try to find a middle ground when armies clash. Try to add in information when this is going on. For example when a roach bling bust happens all you say is BANELING BANELING OMG THE BANELINGS ARE DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE AND THE BANELINGS. I'd really appreciate if you take a page out of Artosis' book and see how he handles these situations. He hypes it up before it happens, then remains relatively calm and provide a lot of extra information. I guess you can find plenty of his casts from Code S in the vod section on gomtv.
- Show respect for your co-caster. You are on TV in front of a large audience. You are not allowed to disrespect the person you work with. It makes you look like a giant douche bag, which you may or may not be. On so many occasions you have made Wolf look bad, simply ignored him or didn't give him a chance to cast properly because you didn't let him say a word. Not only is this bad for Wolf as, but also for yourself. Please realize that Wolf is there with you and doesn't work for you. And on a sidenote to this; please don't threaten to beat Wolf up in a homophobic reaction. Even jokingly that's a borderline thing to say on cast.
- Your game knowledge could use some brushing up. For example this week in Bomber's code a game you said he was in a ton of trouble while his opponent tried to break his mech army and was losing roaches left and right. Bomber was in fact never in trouble and after that roach attack on entombed didn't kill him he had a really solid grasp on the game. You kept repeating he was in trouble and I had absolutely no idea why you'd say that. I guess you either misread the situation which obviously can happen or you simply don't know that 2-2 mech units destroy a zerg that tried to go roach drops and didn't expand or tech further.
Good luck.
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I like how you are invested in the community and your casts are on par with most well-known caster. The only thing that bugs me is the way you pronounce "harass". The accent is on the second syllable, not the first ;-)
Keep enjoying SC2!
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Even if Khaldor does not like all of what he's seeing in the thread, nothing forces him to answer to feedback he deems "fucking annoying". I think he should just ignore a post if he was going to answer by all out swearing and insulting like a random 4channer.
It would be however silly to dismiss all the posts, just read them all (48 pages is not that long of an old thread on TL, certainly very easy to follow especially when it's about your job and you started the thread yourself) and grab what you can in those that are fairly constructive. Don't be like "that's my style, not gonna please everyone lololol", and don't forget, even behind the most trashy of comments, there is always a bit of truth.
Like the guy who said you call every fungal "beautiful" without ever commenting on P/T micro, that's obviously false, we all know that you mention it when T splits his units well or P performs good blink micro, but in all honesty, at the level you're casting games from, people rarely miss their fungals, it's the most point&click spell in the game. So either they miss totally (lol...), catch 2-4 bio units (does any Terran have a group of only 2-4 units alone in the middle of nowhere in mid-late game?) or catch more than 4 and then they're effective, do full damage, can be chained and shit, aka the "beautiful" fungals. So yeah, you realize that unless they catch like 20+ units (which did happen in recent games, some sick fungals indeed), no need to waste your beautifulest superlatives on fungals.
So you'll continue to do that, because old habits die hard and you do like Zerg shit (we get it :D), but at least try to understand where the "complaints" are coming from. Most of us like your cast, and aren't the so called "haters" who as you like to point out "gonna hate" (that's a meme btw, aka not a good way to express yourself in general).
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