EPTKhaldor's casting for GomTV - Feedback & Poll - Page 47
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Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
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iGoTThiZ
103 Posts
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
First of all. I think your shoutcasting a bit to much. Sometimes its feels like your solocasting an online event where I understand you need to speak constantly but here you are two, kinda would like it a bit calmer and give wolf more chances to get in =), Thats totally a preference though. The thing that I think needs most improving is your tendency to complain about what players are doing wrong "why is he not making infestors!?!?!" and afterwards giving a long rant about what they should have done instead rather then trying to understand why they did what they did from the information they had. Its pretty easy to see what a player should have done to win in hindsight, its alot harded to see how they should have known to do just that =). and yeah, you get off as a little zerg biased but tbh, im fine with that. Wolf gets of as pretty tossbiased, Tasteless and Artosis aswell although Artosis obviously have feelings left for zerg :p But all in all I enjoy your casting and I hope you take the critizism constructivly.. otherwise this thread is useless if you start to defend it all. This is how I experience it and thats kinda what its about =) Oh and btw, ive heard people whining about your pronounciation? Or rather, ive read that people have been alot... I dont get that, Ive never heard a germanspeaker speaking cleaner english before. GJ sir. | ||
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
On July 01 2012 12:27 Khaldor wrote: There's a difference between feedback and making up random shit that isn't even true. Writing a post does not equal giving honest feedback well, its how he experiences it. I doubt any of you have stats with your reactiong to fungals compared to your reaction to marinesplitting or w/e. I doubt he is writing it just to troll so unless we start going through all your GSL casts comparing reactions going all defensive about it is just taking critizism badly. And in general this is a casterthing. "beautiful storm/fungal" is something you hear ALOT, but in all honesty, its not that hard.. there are things that are sooo much harder to do in this game :p. Not saying its an issue but tbh, when 90% of the fungals/storms are BEAUTIFUL/GREAT, it kinda makes one wonder what is required to make one avarage :p | ||
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ichi23
Germany13 Posts
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
I would say that as an avid watcher of the GSL, something that takes away from the whole experience that is a result of what you do/say is sometimes when you focus on things that players could be doing better, it comes off as condescending. It's hard to justify sounding condescending towards GSL caliber players i think.. Idk. Just something that irritates me. Also, random spurts of homophobia and the leaking need to talk about the fact that you know martial arts don't necessarily have a place in Starcraft 2 casts, although banter is just fine in general. Maybe talking with wolf about what is okay and not okay to talk about before the casts based on what you are comfortable with would lead to less awkward moments. Positive: I really like that you include "resources lost" in your casts. Not enough casters do that. It's not an end-all stat but that should be obvious to anyone listening anyways. Definitely pretty important in TvT and PvP (and PvT and PvZ to a lesser extent). Also, I like your energy a lot. They do a lot to fuel the play-by-plays. LOVE when you don't call games early. Makes everything more dramatic and all calling games early really does is cry, "See? I know stuff about starcraft! I'm smart!". There are many ways to show that you know your stuff and ppl generally already accept that both you and wolf are good at sc2/ know a lot about the game so it isn't necessary. On the other hand, sometimes when you call a game early and it turns around, it makes for a really exciting moment. Perhaps it comes down to knowing when to call a game early and when not to. That's something beyond my expertise that you will have a lot more knowledge about than me at this point. Outside of the game: On July 01 2012 12:20 Khaldor wrote: That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Do you even listen to my casts? Or do you just hate because you feel like it? Comments like this make feedback threads to fucking annoying because one has to wade all this fabrication to find some honest feedback that one can really improve on. Don't get so defensive. There are many people out in the world who have made meaningful contributions to the sc2 world who have had waaayyyy more crap thrown at them than you (InControl for example). It's much easier to maintain a positive image in the hearts of the fans you are accumulating by not lashing out against trolls. It's affecting me a bit for example  . There is no amount of personal moderation that anyone can do that will stop people from bitching about stuff that doesn't make sense at all. Better to just ignore these people than to damage your own image.That's what I've got from watching you since you started at the gsl. Hope it was helpful | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On July 01 2012 03:18 ZenithM wrote: Especially since the start of the Zerg domination in GSTL, Khaldor's zerg bias has been showing really heavily. He only ever talks about Zerg, what the Zerg is doing, what the Zerg should do, how well Zerg's playing and how beautiful the fangels are. We also have the occasion to listen to endless Zerg's gameplay theory rants, while other things are happening on the screen. The outcome of a game is always due to the Zerg's beautiful play or bad mistake, while according no credit to the other player. I thought it had become better in the past, but it's really becoming noticeable again these days. Just watch today's GSTL games (TSL vs NSH) to get what I'm saying. I mean I really doubt how anyone can argue against this who watched yesterdays games, the first game especially was literally 80% about zerg theory, what shine was doing, what he needed to do and how good he was playing compared to his opponent (who played rather flawlessly). In the end, I'm not a hater, I like your casting a lot, I'd much rather listen to you and Wolf than Tastosis, but yeh, a more balanced cast would be better. | ||
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HinagikUx
United States178 Posts
Maybe im not giving any constructive advice, but just making sure u know that we appreciate your casting and the dedication you have for it. Keep up the good work man | ||
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brinker
45 Posts
The post above me talks about homophobia?? Which I have never heard from you..that confuses me a bit. I really like your casting. Thanks for reading. EDIT: Has anyone ever thought that the heavy zerg bias is due to most GSTL games being ZvX matchups? | ||
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iGoTThiZ
103 Posts
On July 01 2012 12:59 AxionSteel wrote: You really can't take negative feedback at all, apparently. Anyone who criticises you are just blind haters. I mean multiple people have noted how zerg biased you were yesterday, it was so obvious to see. I mean I really doubt how anyone can argue against this who watched yesterdays games, the first game especially was literally 80% about zerg theory, what shine was doing, what he needed to do and how good he was playing compared to his opponent (who played rather flawlessly). In the end, I'm not a hater, I like your casting a lot, I'm just giving honest feedback, as lots of others are. If you can't see it, then so be it. His main race is Z so it is not hard to believe that he would mostly talk about the race that he does understand at a high level. If he started talking as much about a race that he doesnt play and he starts getting things wrong then you guys would be here talking about how he makes so many mistakes and is clueless. He is doing the right thing by talking about what he does know. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
I do have a couple... I guess they would be complaints? Criticisms? Take them with a grain of salt and please don't be offended. Just personal opinions and being overly critical in some points. -Can still be overly critical from time to time. This is most noticeable during casts with Wolf. Sometimes it's almost to the point where you seem angry about what a player is doing. -Sometimes you will talk with an upper inflection when casting, almost consistently, as if you are constantly asking a question. Understandably probably because English is not your native language so this is easily overlooked. (Just a small pet peeve of mine) -Dependance on the "Resource Lost" tab. It's okay to use it from time to time if you can't really tell who is ahead, or to emphasize how far ahead or how cost effective an engagement was. But try not to refer to it too much. -Calling a game too early. Again, most noticeable with Wolf so it's not all on you. Try not to say "So and so has won! He moves on to Round-x!" before GG is actually called. Instead try along the lines of "So and so has taken a huge advantage! His opponent will have to play flawlessly to win here!" This way you can emphasize how awesome the comeback was so viewers can focus on that and enjoy it rather than how wrong you were. I haven't seen anything since the Code S matches that you've casted so nothing else is really fresh in my mind. Keep up the good work man, you're doing a fantastic job. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On July 01 2012 13:06 iGoTThiZ wrote: His main race is Z so it is not hard to believe that he would mostly talk about the race that he does understand at a high level. If he started talking as much about a race that he doesnt play and he starts getting things wrong then you guys would be here talking about how he makes so many mistakes and is clueless. He is doing the right thing by talking about what he does know. Doesn't make for a balanced cast though. Apollo switched from zerg to random so he could get a better understanding (and appreciation, after seeing him get crushed so often with terran  ) of all three races, I think it'd be a good thing to do for a professional commentator. | ||
RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
Main complaint though is a common mistake a lot of casters do is saying what the player should have done instead of explaining why the player is doing what he is doing. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On July 01 2012 00:23 speknek wrote: This is how I feel as well. A simple example, every fungal is "incredible" and "beautiful" but no props goes to insane splits and other terran things that are much harder to execute than fungalling. That's so not true. I heard him get excited plenty of times about marinesplits or perfect blink stalkers, emp's, storms. | ||
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iGoTThiZ
103 Posts
On July 01 2012 13:11 AxionSteel wrote: Doesn't make for a balanced cast though. Apollo switched from zerg to random so he could get a better understanding (and appreciation, after seeing him get crushed so often with terran ) of all three races, I think it'd be a good thing to do for a professional commentator.That is true but it's not like Khaldor is ONLY talking about zerg every game. There are plently of times that he talks about beautiful splits etc. Think some people just want something to complain about and he knows it. He just adds a little more spunk towards a race that he mains for obvious reasons. Each one of us would be doing the same thing with our main race if we ever casted. Isnt Apollo gold or bronze? i remember someone Incontrol bringing that up somewhere. He is not really achieving anything over Khaldor from just watching Pro's play than what Apollo is doing on ladder. In the end i think his current knowledge of other races from just watching pro's play and him playing other races is enough imo. | ||
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TriumpHisme
United States97 Posts
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Demorase
136 Posts
There were so many things that are wrong, yes passion is good I liked his enthusiasm but it's gotten ridiculous you can barely make out what he's saying when he's screaming now, also why is he so rude and antipahetic to Wolf? For example, he always cut off Wolf, makes fun of his preferences, often dismisses what he's saying, etc... This is just abysmal work as a co-caster, and not fun to watch. You can tell even Wolf is getting a bit tired of it. Not to mention he's swearing way too much, I don't think he realizes he's not supposed to say "sh*t" on air everyday. | ||
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uLaLuLaLume
Canada75 Posts
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ZaloMonkada
United States86 Posts
Either way, I wasnt a big fan of yours originally, but you've improved alot. I respect your work ethic, keep up the hard work cause its paying off! | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
On July 01 2012 12:20 Khaldor wrote: Comments like this make feedback threads to fucking annoying because one has to wade all this fabrication to find some honest feedback that one can really improve on. Everyone's a critic nowadays. And if you don't know what you are talking about just make random shit up. Haters gonna hate, really tiresome Oh wow, just saw this post of his now, proving exactly my point. Anyone else posting a message like that would have been warned, easily. | ||
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