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Mjade
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia10 Posts
June 30 2012 09:40 GMT
#881
Hi Khaldor,

Only complaint I have is when big fights are going on and you get a little worked up (which isnt a bad thing), then start just saying what is happening. I've never been a fan of this sort of play by play casting (why i dont like most casters), really like it when the caster can do some analysis. Of all the casters i have seen you are in my top ten though =D
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
June 30 2012 09:47 GMT
#882
Hihi Khaldor

To be honest, I didn't really use to like your casting, but you've improved so much recently, and now, you and Wolf are one of my favorite casting teams, especially because of your versatility and both of your abilities to be both play-by-play and analytical with regard to what is needed. You have fantastic knowledge of the game, and more importantly, you are very much aware of your level of knowledge of the game, which leads to some great strategic analysis. Sometimes, you get into periods of minutes at a time where your speech starts to slur 'cause you're processing too much on screen, something pretty much every caster I know of has gone through, I'm sure. Try slowing down the word flow when that happens, instead of trying to catch up with what's going on. Noticed Day[9] doing it in some MLGs last year, and it improved my casting substantially.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
June 30 2012 10:03 GMT
#883
Yo Khaldor, usually i think you and Wolf are great together, but i think in today's gstl you got a bit too excited and kept on talking and talking and felt like Wolf didn't get to say something he wanted . Still, i liked it and your enthusiasm was great to see. I couldn't help smiling when 16 mules were dropped and you yelled "HE DROPPED THE MULEHAMMER!!" haha i have no idea what that is. Hope it isn't what urban dictionary suggests :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mule Hammer
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 10:11:55
June 30 2012 10:10 GMT
#884
On June 30 2012 03:41 KThrace wrote:
Hello Khaldor!

I've never commented on a caster before, usually I find something positive about a caster that enables me to zone out their quirks or bad habbits. I have never been a huge fan, and that is the reason why I wont be going into great depths explaining my validation of you as a caster. However, this post is concerned with a situation that happened on GSL last thursday, that, because of its nature, made me feel obligated to say something. The situation I am refering to is the one in wich Wolf was giving his description of low fat cheetos (or something like that). He made an argument concerning their usefulness ("you can touch your friend if you want to). I found your reaction to Wolfs said argument to be so blatantly homophobic it felt offensive."If you start touching me, there will be a fist coming away so fast you wont even be able to dodge it." Really? I know this is something many would reply with, but doing so live in front of thousands of people comes off very unproffesional and, for some, even offensive. No matter what your thoughts are on this subject, I would advise you to keep it to yourself or at least modify its form when you are on the air.


Or maybe he just doesn't like to be touched by ANYONE. not just males?
There are many people with social anxieties like that. People with asperger for example often have it, not implying that Khaldor has asperger btw

http://www.fearofstuff.com/objects/fear-of-being-touched/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Ucs
Profile Joined October 2010
264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 10:35:32
June 30 2012 10:27 GMT
#885
Since months have passed since he came to Korea to cast I can give out my opinion on him after I have actually heard him. I belive he is very repetitive(when it comes to describing the game), he dosen't bring much to the table when it comes to game analisys and he is not perticulary funny. I think he is somewhere between mediocre and okay.

The only thing I don't understand is why isen't dApollo casting GSL instead of him or Wolf.

P.S. this tweet by him made me cringe. IMO its very dumb to say this:

"Thomas Kilian ‏@Khaldor
When will people finally understand that the job of a caster is NOT to please every individual viewer but the broader audience as a whole?"
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
June 30 2012 10:50 GMT
#886
On June 30 2012 19:27 Ucs wrote:
Since months have passed since he came to Korea to cast I can give out my opinion on him after I have actually heard him. I belive he is very repetitive(when it comes to describing the game), he dosen't bring much to the table when it comes to game analisys and he is not perticulary funny. I think he is somewhere between mediocre and okay.

The only thing I don't understand is why isen't dApollo casting GSL instead of him or Wolf.

P.S. this tweet by him made me cringe. IMO its very dumb to say this:

"Thomas Kilian ‏@Khaldor
When will people finally understand that the job of a caster is NOT to please every individual viewer but the broader audience as a whole?"

Just a quick question: You do understand that, right?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
June 30 2012 11:02 GMT
#887
feel like you need to not say everything that a player is doing wrong all the time, it sets a bad mood for the game (IMO and i believe others agree). if you focus less on the negative and more on the positive than it seems like a much ebtter cast
habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
June 30 2012 11:12 GMT
#888
Klahdor i like your casting, and in that game one, MC vs Squirtle, i loved that you didnt call early GG like wolf did, This is the thing most people include me hate when casters call such a early GG. Gratz
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 11:16:40
June 30 2012 11:14 GMT
#889
I have tried to get a defenite opinion on Khaldor's GSL casting for quite some time now.

I think Khaldor in general is a good caster. Very energetic and well spoken (compared to other german casters, I don't feel the need to throw up when listening to his english)

However, I feel like he doesn't play the game as much as a caster should, that is propably because he is casting 26hours/day average. Still I feel like that is a huge deficit. Plus the need to appear so strong and tough, I don't get it. If someone trys to make a joke why threaten physical violence?! It just annoys me and the people I have spoken to.
We all know you work out.
We all know you are in exceptional shape.

No need to act tough during a cast.
One should try to be funny and go along with a joke of one's co-caster instead of saying that he will get beaten up for this and that...

It's sad because I think Khaldor might have the potential to be one of the absolute Top casters out there. With a lot more game knowledge and a bit effort to support his co-casters in almost all situations to avoid the awkwardness I get from every Khaldor dual-cast.
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
June 30 2012 11:22 GMT
#890
Heyhey,

first of all thank you guys for the continuous feedback. I am still reading this thread and I will do so in the future as well This thread helps me a lot. You have to understand though, that there are a lot of things that you might dislike that I am not willing to change because it is the way I am and my style of casting. Also take into consideration that something you don't like might be the reason why another person enjoys my casting Not everyone has the same taste.

Regarding us pointing out mistakes: I feel that most comments about this actually are written by fans of certain players that lost a game due to mistakes we pointed out. I can understand that people are disappointed but you have also to understand that it is not only our job to talk about great plays but also about what went wrong or what could have been done better. I try to do both and quite often when I get negative feedback about being to harsh on a player the person criticising seems to completely ignore that just five minutes ago I also pointed out what he did well and what things about his performance impressed me.

The second thing I want to point out is the tweet that was quoted above. I don't know exactly why that would make someone "cringe". It's the plain and obvious truth (is that statement even contestable?). Different people like different ways of casting. I have a style that some people love, other people might not like it. That's how the world works. It's not our job to please EVERYONE. We can't, it is literally impossible. We have our strengths and our weaknesses and I will always try to improve. But at the same time I have to realize that I will never please everyone out there.

Thanks again for the feedback, hope you guys enjoyed this weeks casts!

Cheers, Khaldor

PS: please also understand that casters sometimes have a bad day. Sometimes you have a shitty week or a shitty day and your cast with be off. The same thing happens to players too (and I guess to everybody else as well ).
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Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 11:32:19
June 30 2012 11:29 GMT
#891
One thing I forgot to mention: where do you guys get this homophobic bullshit from? xD Some of my friends in Germany are gay and I don't see where you get the impression from I'd have a problem with this. We joked about it on stream and apparently some people ware WAY too touchy about this topic and completely missjudge a situation where Wolf and I have some friendly banter going on. Unfortunately we were not on camera when it happened so you couldn't see us but the reaction from some people here is a little bit odd.

On June 30 2012 18:40 Mjade wrote:
Only complaint I have is when big fights are going on and you get a little worked up (which isnt a bad thing), then start just saying what is happening. I've never been a fan of this sort of play by play casting (why i dont like most casters), really like it when the caster can do some analysis. Of all the casters i have seen you are in my top ten though =D


But as you already said: YOU are not a fan of this kind of casting. Other people are. I'm sorry that you don't enjoy it but I have a different approach to a shoutcast. I personally dislike it if a casting duo is not able to express excitement and entertain me while there is a huge battle going on. That's exactly why I mentioned earlier that different people just like different things.

Cheers, Khaldor
Tutorials, Quick Tips and Guides: www.YouTube.com/KhaldorTV
yosisoy
Profile Joined October 2010
Israel202 Posts
June 30 2012 11:40 GMT
#892
I like your casting and your chemistry with Wolf is quite good.

Quote of the day: "He's losing a shitload of stuff" xD
In Soviet Russia, sorrow harvest you
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 30 2012 11:54 GMT
#893
The Zerg bias was pretty annoying today. Just watched Shine vs Jjakji as i missed it but you spent the entire game talking about Shine basically and how good he is. Was similar in the other games. But as you said, you can't please everyone. Others probably like it

Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
June 30 2012 12:01 GMT
#894
Your hear Zerg bias, others told me I would be biased towards Protoss and I also heard I would focus on the terran too much. And it might be true in some individual games but in the whole schema of things I don't think you really have a point. And Shine impressed me a lot today, plain and simple. Doesn't mean that jjakji is not a good player and I think we talked about him quite a lot today too.
Tutorials, Quick Tips and Guides: www.YouTube.com/KhaldorTV
meltingmykohchoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 10:18:04
June 30 2012 12:02 GMT
#895
edit: my friend didnt like you and posted on my acc ipp.. i didnt mean any offense
"HeRp DeRp"
eksert
Profile Joined August 2010
France656 Posts
June 30 2012 12:11 GMT
#896
Khaldor, you are doing really great.
If u want one bad side of your casting i can only think you think every TSL zerg is "symbol".
Man, it's revival!!
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 12:20:07
June 30 2012 12:12 GMT
#897
I loved how you often didn't fall in the premature gg trap today but instead said things like "but let's see if player X can have a comeback"
Keeping the cast exciting that way.
Instead of the usual downer comment "ok that's gg" when the game goes on 20 min after, but casters made me lose all excitement.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
June 30 2012 12:13 GMT
#898
I think your doing just fine Khaldor. Ur not like some casters that calls stuff SO much earlier than they should. You have some knowledge at least about the game. Your fine Khaldor don't worry
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 30 2012 12:14 GMT
#899
I'm not really picking up on any zerg bias. I don't have anything relevant to critique or mention but I was wondering what the use in a poll on the first page was. Surely your casting would improve/decline over time and opinions cast over the last six months would be affected by different stages of your casting career? Oh well, it's needlessly complex to worry about and everyone likes a poll.

Oh, I actually wanted to say that the casting tonight was terrific. Symbol v Sculp- the casting was great. Lots of excitement and pretty accurate observations on what was happening and what each player needed to do. Good job.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
xevis
Profile Joined September 2010
United States218 Posts
June 30 2012 12:19 GMT
#900
Keep up the good work!
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
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