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On December 15 2011 07:58 Agathon wrote:
It's a non sens.
Ok, GOMTV dislike Naniwa's behaviour and decide to punish him. No problem for that.
My problem is about replacement. The worth player in manner purpose : Idra.
The man who insult his opponents when he is streaming, the man who ragequit vs Kas during DH (maybe the most lovely player in Europe, like most of Ukrainian players), i've so many exemples.
Replace Naniwa by Thorzain, TLO, Jinro, Stephano (he would refuse, but whatever), Sase, ToD, Sheth, Incontrol, Machine, Kiwikaki,etc...fuck there is so many respecfull players in the world. Idra is one of the best players, but if respect, honnor, duty is so much a big deal, Idra is the worth choice.
This choice is the exact opposit ofo Naniwa's punishment. It desn't make any sens.
Irda has respect issues towards "certain" other players, but not towards the Tournament and the fans. I've been very critical of him as well that he needs to act like an adult. I'm in agreement with GOM giving him the opportunity to prove he can be a mannered player, which I'm sure he's capable of. If he blows his chance though and acts like a jerk (aka Naniwa) then I am in support of GOM taking even harsher punishment than revoking a Code S spot. Nothing short of an all-out perma-ban from GSL will satisfy me the next time a player acts out.
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On December 15 2011 07:56 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 07:54 farnham wrote:On December 15 2011 07:49 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:39 GeriMage23 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:34 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:28 MiXyass wrote:
Anybody that says KESPA would've handled this situation better has no idea what they are talking about
KESPA was not only strict about what happened on their own tournaments but they were strict on what happened outside of tournaments so that the players can display the best games possible on television
If this happened under KESPA naniwa would be 100% banned forever in any korean tournament
KESPA would not punish someone for not breaking a rule. KESPA was hard on players but not close to as subjective as GomTV. Its like Singapore vs Pakistan. Yeah KeSPA never banned players for throwing games away.... Ohhh wait saviOr..... HMMMMM.... SaviOr was banned for match fixing. He also broke rules Naniwa did not. how did naniwa not break rules ? whats the rule he broke? From the OP. Show nested quote +It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules, like for example using a cheat to gain an unfair advantage. NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner.
"Purposefully not tried his best."
Obviously often a reason for DQ in sports. :/
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On December 15 2011 06:57 Chill wrote:
This whole thing makes me wish there were objective rules (points, ranking, etc.) to see who got the two Code S invites - I don't see why there aren't.
so true. I wish they have a more transparent system on awarding seed and penalties.
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On December 15 2011 07:53 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:51 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 07:50 lightsentry wrote:
i suppose since there was no gsl dec blizzard cup was more or less gsl december code s right? blizzard cup isnt comparable to code S. if they actually changed the providence prize to a blizzcup spot, they announced false prizes at mlg. Yeah no, it was always top 2 at Providence gets to go to BlizzCup. You think they get Code S and BlizzCup? Yeah right, good shit.
Would you be so kind to point to the announcement of this change (made prior to Providence of course)? I was not aware of this. Thank you very much.
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On December 15 2011 08:01 ptrpb wrote:
I don't like it, sorry. You can powder and glamour what happened all you want but I still find the decision that was made and Mr.Chae calling NaNiwa an "amateur prize hunter" unacceptable.
I'm just waiting to hear what MLG has to say about GSL's sudden format change and the denial of a Code S spot to the player who deserved it and was supposed to receive it.
I'm still not going to support your tournament GOMTV because I find what you did to be wrong.
This was mistranslated, he didn't say that at all.
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On December 15 2011 08:01 ptrpb wrote:
I don't like it, sorry. You can powder and glamour what happened all you want but I still find the decision that was made and Mr.Chae calling NaNiwa an "amateur prize hunter" unacceptable.
I'm just waiting to hear what MLG has to say about GSL's sudden format change and the denial of a Code S spot to the player who deserved it and was supposed to receive it.
I'm still not going to support your tournament GOMTV because I find what you did to be wrong.
It was a wrong translation, Mr.Chae never called nani like that
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On December 15 2011 08:01 ptrpb wrote:
I don't like it, sorry. You can powder and glamour what happened all you want but I still find the decision that was made and Mr.Chae calling NaNiwa an "amateur prize hunter" unacceptable.
I'm just waiting to hear what MLG has to say about GSL's sudden format change and the denial of a Code S spot to the player who deserved it and was supposed to receive it.
I'm still not going to support your tournament GOMTV because I find what you did to be wrong.
Source? ..let me guess...a wrong translation.
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To me, it seems that GomTV is mostly only supported by fanboys who are somewhat immature at least, who are unable to see the various ethical issues surrounding this incident and double standards displayed by GomTV.
Throwing games is potentially a big problem, and it is never looked at or discussed. Then arbitrarily one person gets punished for doing it in a specific way, while the rest are not even touched. There is a lot of figure out here from the community and the tournament organisers, there is a lot which must be done to make things right in regards to this single issue.
But none of this is being done, GomTV are quite happy making a scapegoat out of Naniwa for what is a much broader issue in Starcraft 2 eSports.
This is a very big problem and it raises all sorts of ethical questions. The vast majority of people supporting GomTV are either not looking at this (which in my view is the main issue here), or simply cannot fathom it.
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On December 15 2011 07:58 Ghrimnar wrote:
Terrible decision by GomTV. They destroy the dreams of a player. Sad thing. Nanis actions dont justify that.
Dream of a player is to become the best by going through code A qualifier to code S like ST.Parting and Slayers_Brown and Naniwa failed to do so multiple times given the fact that he got free code A spots.
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On December 15 2011 08:00 HappyChris wrote:Ofcourse GomTV are lying Moonmeh it says on there own site Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Bro let me hope more, I already know but despite all that I'm hoping it's all a misunderstanding clusterfuck. Though my goodwill towards GOM as been reduced quite a lot through this.
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On December 15 2011 08:03 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:53 Hnnngg wrote:On December 15 2011 07:51 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 07:50 lightsentry wrote:
i suppose since there was no gsl dec blizzard cup was more or less gsl december code s right? blizzard cup isnt comparable to code S. if they actually changed the providence prize to a blizzcup spot, they announced false prizes at mlg. Yeah no, it was always top 2 at Providence gets to go to BlizzCup. You think they get Code S and BlizzCup? Yeah right, good shit. Would you be so kind to point to the announcement of this change (made prior to Providence of course)? I was not aware of this. Thank you very much.
Exactly even MLG thought Naniwa earned code S.
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Thank you GOM!! I agree with the the statement and look forward to future GSL games!
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On December 15 2011 08:03 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:01 ptrpb wrote:
I don't like it, sorry. You can powder and glamour what happened all you want but I still find the decision that was made and Mr.Chae calling NaNiwa an "amateur prize hunter" unacceptable.
I'm just waiting to hear what MLG has to say about GSL's sudden format change and the denial of a Code S spot to the player who deserved it and was supposed to receive it.
I'm still not going to support your tournament GOMTV because I find what you did to be wrong. Source? ..let me guess...a wrong translation.
Didn't they confirm somewhere it was a wrong translation?
Anyway, either way I hope we get updated soon from either MLG or GOM about this exchange program.
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On December 15 2011 08:02 Fjodorov wrote:
If the there was in fact no code s prize for MLG providence, but instead a spot in Blizzard cup, then Leenock was the one who earned won that prize. Yet GOMTV say Naniwa won earned the spot in blizzard cup from MLG providence... hmm
lol this is a good point.
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On December 15 2011 08:03 Starcraftmazter wrote:
To me, it seems that GomTV is mostly only supported by fanboys who are somewhat immature at least, who are unable to see the various ethical issues surrounding this incident and double standards displayed by GomTV.
Throwing games is potentially a big problem, and it is never looked at or discussed. Then arbitrarily one person gets punished for doing it in a specific way, while the rest are not even touched. There is a lot of figure out here from the community and the tournament organisers, there is a lot which must be done to make things right in regards to this single issue.
But none of this is being done, GomTV are quite happy making a scapegoat out of Naniwa for what is a much broader issue in Starcraft 2 eSports.
This is a very big problem and it raises all sorts of ethical questions. The vast majority of people supporting GomTV are either not looking at this (which in my view is the main issue here), or simply cannot fathom it.
And there is no issue with Naniwa doing it? Sure, one person is punished, but this sets the precedent. No one will think about doing such a thing again, or else they will fall under the same punishments.
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This statement just makes GOMTV look even more bad than they did before if you ask me. Here they openly admit to Naniwa not breaking any rules, but then they go on and punish him any way because they basically did not agree with his actions.
And then they go on and rant about technicalities and how he "Technically was not invited", and that they "Just chose remove him from consideration for the seed". Disgraceful.
GOMTV messed up big time, they took this little incident and blew it up to insane proportions, and they can't even man up and apologize.
Naniwa was wrong, he apologized. GOMTV does not seem to be able to.
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On December 15 2011 08:03 Starcraftmazter wrote:
To me, it seems that GomTV is mostly only supported by fanboys who are somewhat immature at least, who are unable to see the various ethical issues surrounding this incident and double standards displayed by GomTV.
Throwing games is potentially a big problem, and it is never looked at or discussed. Then arbitrarily one person gets punished for doing it in a specific way, while the rest are not even touched. There is a lot of figure out here from the community and the tournament organisers, there is a lot which must be done to make things right in regards to this single issue.
But none of this is being done, GomTV are quite happy making a scapegoat out of Naniwa for what is a much broader issue in Starcraft 2 eSports.
This is a very big problem and it raises all sorts of ethical questions. The vast majority of people supporting GomTV are either not looking at this (which in my view is the main issue here), or simply cannot fathom it.
Name another match at a GOM hosted tournament which was obviously thrown and you can complain about double standards.
Note: People trying to win with a flashy style and messing up is not throwing a game, it's try to show off.
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On December 15 2011 07:56 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:55 setzer wrote:On December 15 2011 07:50 SC2NeCro wrote:
Also, it's a lack of respect for foreign fans that want to see NANIWA and not Sen that GOM is completely disregarding. Remind me again where it says fans can pick and choose who gets to play in the GSL? Remind me when fans were the reason behind this decision...even after reading the announcement.
2 sponsored seats given at GOM's discretion. meaning they can give them to whomever the fuck they want. its not like they chose 2 randoms to give the seats to. look at the tournament results they sourced.
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On December 15 2011 07:57 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:56 Seeker wrote:
- Why Korean players never get punished for throwing games
Name matches that were purposefully thrown that Koreans did not punished for
Nestea, Nestea vs MVP Blizzcon finals
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883
Rule #3.
Also, thank you so much GOM for the release of your side of the story for this incident. I was thoroughly disappointed when I saw that Nani was throwing the match, and I feel that he deserves what he got.
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On December 15 2011 08:03 Starcraftmazter wrote:
To me, it seems that GomTV is mostly only supported by fanboys who are somewhat immature at least, who are unable to see the various ethical issues surrounding this incident and double standards displayed by GomTV.
Throwing games is potentially a big problem, and it is never looked at or discussed. Then arbitrarily one person gets punished for doing it in a specific way, while the rest are not even touched. There is a lot of figure out here from the community and the tournament organisers, there is a lot which must be done to make things right in regards to this single issue.
But none of this is being done, GomTV are quite happy making a scapegoat out of Naniwa for what is a much broader issue in Starcraft 2 eSports.
This is a very big problem and it raises all sorts of ethical questions. The vast majority of people supporting GomTV are either not looking at this (which in my view is the main issue here), or simply cannot fathom it.
You still have NOT provided ANY examples. What are the ethical issues here? Who else threw away games? Did someone 'gg' out in the first minute without trying? Did I magically miss some games? Don't be a drama queen.
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