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GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 29
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:58 moonmeh wrote: So if this is so clear cut as GOM says, why is someone from MLG even investigating? Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating. Please stay tuned. Thanks, Lee I so wish GOM isn't lying or changed the rules at the last minute to ban Naniwa because if they did, I will have no words to how disappointed I will be. Ofcourse GomTV are lying Moonmeh it says on there own site Your Official Announcement Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
that was a 30 min + game where nestea made a last ditch effort to overwhelm the ghost army with broods and got stomped not a drone rush game | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:54 SCST wrote: Whoa, it's not ME who's "giving all the power to GOM" - what kid of logic is this? GOM has all the power because they OWN the tournamnet. What is it about "this is a business that pays for their own tournament" that people just don't get? You think fans should control a business? Or players? I'm laughing my ass off thinking about that. I can only imagine a tournament were the "largest ego" decides the rules of the tournament. In that case, Irda would be allowed to forfeit all Protoss matches on grounds of "imbalance", and Naniwa would be allowed to go around slapping the faces of event staff because he "felt like it". Time to come back to reality and the adult world. You're damn fucking right they do. If no one watched/played for GOMtv, they'd change their ways or go out of business. Welcome to the free market, theres too much content to watch and not enough time. People have to pick and choose, and they can certainly choose not to watch the GSL. While this is much too controversial and not quite as bad of a transgression as possible from gom to warrant, you don't think people would do it? Imagine if kespa ran the KSL and HuK accidentally typo'ed GG, and was DQ'ed. The entire foreign community would be in an uproar, and if kespa told them to deal with it, they'd lose every foreign fan/player immediately. Time to come back to reality and not pretend conservative land where we bend over backwards to corporate power. And im not even fucking suggesting any of this about GOM. The sad part is I have to make this case for people like you who want it to be that way so badly, granting GOM all of the power and encouraging everyone else to sit back on their ass and do jack. | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
Well, people love their drama I guess. Go GOM, go Nani! =) | ||
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Skillig
Belgium141 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:58 Agathon wrote: It's a non sens. Ok, GOMTV dislike Naniwa's behaviour and decide to punish him. No problem for that. My problem is about replacement. The worth player in manner purpose : Idra. The man who insult his opponents when he is streaming, the man who ragequit vs Kas during DH (maybe the most lovely player in Europe, like most of Ukrainian players), i've so many exemples. Replace Naniwa by Thorzain, TLO, Jinro, Stephano (he would refuse, but whatever), Sase, ToD, Sheth, Incontrol, Machine, Kiwikaki,etc...fuck there is so many respecfull players in the world. Idra is one of the best players, but if respect, honnor, duty is so much a big deal, Idra is the worth choice. This choice is the exact opposit ofo Naniwa's punishment. It desn't make any sens. totally agree with you , idra is like the worst choice , but what can you do , due to his large fanbase , idra will brings so many more viewers than the others guys would | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:58 Agathon wrote: It's a non sens. Ok, GOMTV dislike Naniwa's behaviour and decide to punish him. No problem for that. My problem is about replacement. The worth player in manner purpose : Idra. The man who insult his opponents when he is streaming, the man who ragequit vs Kas during DH (maybe the most lovely player in Europe, like most of Ukrainian players), i've so many exemples. Replace Naniwa by Thorzain, TLO, Jinro, Stephano (he would refuse, but whatever), Sase, ToD, Sheth, Incontrol, Machine, Kiwikaki,etc...fuck there is so many respecfull players in the world. Idra is one of the best players, but if respect, honnor, duty is so much a big deal, Idra is the worth choice. This choice is the exact opposit ofo Naniwa's punishment. It desn't make any sens. moderate temperature for code S seed. | ||
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ActionpointTV
60 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:44 Pwnographics wrote: Sundance knew there were no seeds up for grabs, explain no foreigners seeded into up-and-downs this season. If Sundance knew, that there were no seeds for GSL from Providence, then how can we explain number of official MLG statements saying Naniwa did in fact won code S spot. And no one was ever seeded to up-and down matches before, only to code A and code S. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
because the korean civil code says so | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
I'm just waiting to hear what MLG has to say about GSL's sudden format change and the denial of a Code S spot to the player who deserved it and was supposed to receive it. I'm still not going to support your tournament GOMTV because I find what you did to be wrong. | ||
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Ninjahoe
Sweden148 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37034 Posts
I am sorry. I cannot believe this is your argument. There has not been a SINGLE recorded statement from any official/coach/managers saying "oh yeah, NesTea threw these games." | ||
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Fjodorov
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zeru
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:01 Skillig wrote: totally agree with you , idra is like the worst choice , but what can you do , due to his large fanbase , idra will brings so many more viewers than the others guys would idra also had a code s spot when he left korea. so, they are essentially letting him back into the code s group. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote: Both Korean as well as international fans are important to us. We hope that no one gets the wrong picture and believes that NaNiWa is being treated disadvantageously because he is a foreigner. On the contrary, if a Korean had been involved in a similar incident, it is possible that a much harsher reaction would have followed. It is also very likely that the player's team would have taken firm action before the GSL could have even reacted to it. PR-wise, I think this paragraph is pretty bad. You say "It is "possible" that a much harsher reaction would have followed if he had been korean". From there, one can only deduct he gets a special treatment because he's a foreigner - which, in all honesty, is doing more damage than saying "he's treated like everyone else". If my national soccer team goes to Brazil to play the best players in the world, I don't want to hear they'll be allowed to make more fouls, arrive late for the match, get the wrong jerseys, anything out of the rules, just because they're "foreigners/not brazilians", I know they aren't (we're just a small team) but I want a fair match with both teams on the same foot, with the same rules and consequences for everybody, and definitely not being treated differently because I'm not "brazilian". I'll assume you'll understand what's wrong with it. I'm sure there was no evil intentions in that paragraph but it probably written too fast... Just my interpretation but since this is addressed to your audience, well, quid pro quo. On a side note, I'm no Naniwa huge fan but I don't think he deserved such a punishment (maybe a small fine or a warning, at most) for what he did, and my opinion probably would have been the same for any other player (korean or non-korean) doing the same thing, but that's my subjective approach. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:01 Remi wrote: If Sundance knew, that there were no seeds for GSL from Providence, then how can we explain number of official MLG statements saying Naniwa did in fact won code S spot. And no one was ever seeded to up-and down matches before, only to code A and code S. Probably the same way we can allow TL to "officially" state the EG house is shitty. Officially from the people not in charge is basically worth wet paper bags. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:02 Seeker wrote: I am sorry. I cannot believe this is your argument. There has not been a SINGLE recorded statement from any official/coach/managers saying "oh yeah, NesTea threw these games." no micro probe rush = legitimate strategy nestea vs mvp 40 minute game = clearly thrown | ||
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oBlade
United States5740 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:57 DarkSider wrote: Some said manner mules are offensive. Ok go ahead and write a perfect valid rule that should outlaw manner mules when you think you've won the game. Think how to differentiate dropping mules with the intent of showing to your opponent it's over or dropping them with the intent of repairing your army. Dropping them as accident instead scanning - Is 1 mule an accident ok ? 2 mules ok ? 3 ? Where do you draw the line when it's clear he was intentionally spamming mules and wasn't a finger shake from the emotion ? Maybe if you drop them close to your army can be seen as a genuine attempt to repair your army ? Ok so let's make it at most 2 inches further from your farther unit on a 19 inch monitor it's allowed to drop mules. Oh hey but when i intended to drop the mule that hellion was still alive and my mule was in the rules. I was slow, the animation was slow and when my mule dropped the hellion was dead leaving my mule in offside !! But why would you ever have a rule stipulating something about what happens inside the game mechanics to begin with? | ||
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