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On December 15 2011 07:53 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:51 HandleTaken wrote:
While I appreciate all the things GOM has done for SC2 I'm disappointed by this GOM announcement.
It looks like GOM rewrites the past to fit the present.
When GOM bends rules and creates new ones to fit their agenda I'm not sure I like where GOM is heading anymore.
By no means am I defending what Naniwa did.
But it seems as though GOM is to dominant in the SC2 world for their own good.
The only thing I can do to counteract that is not to subscribe to GSL anymore. How are they bending the rules? There is no rule in the GOM rule book saying that you cannot bodily injure another player, so Naniwa could have beaten up NesTea, done some time and come back and try play GSL? No. That's why GOM writes rules vaguely, so they can enforce any rule any way they see fit.
and thats probably the definition of a bad system i would say, if the power is on the hands of one or some few people then the rules are there just deceiving
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On December 15 2011 07:50 SC2NeCro wrote:
Also, it's a lack of respect for foreign fans that want to see NANIWA and not Sen that GOM is completely disregarding.
Remind me again where it says fans can pick and choose who gets to play in the GSL?
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On December 15 2011 07:54 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:49 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:39 GeriMage23 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:34 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:28 MiXyass wrote:
Anybody that says KESPA would've handled this situation better has no idea what they are talking about
KESPA was not only strict about what happened on their own tournaments but they were strict on what happened outside of tournaments so that the players can display the best games possible on television
If this happened under KESPA naniwa would be 100% banned forever in any korean tournament
KESPA would not punish someone for not breaking a rule. KESPA was hard on players but not close to as subjective as GomTV. Its like Singapore vs Pakistan. Yeah KeSPA never banned players for throwing games away.... Ohhh wait saviOr..... HMMMMM.... SaviOr was banned for match fixing. He also broke rules Naniwa did not. how did naniwa not break rules ?
whats the rule he broke?
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alright so no more w.o in CW's cuz the fans wants to see every single game.
retarded
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On December 15 2011 07:51 Starcraftmazter wrote:You have not addressed the following: - Why Korean players never get punished for offensive or disrespectful behaviour - Why Korean players never get punished for throwing games - Why it is OK to insult Naniwai and not apologise for your disrespectful and incorrect statements about him GOMTV is blatantly racist and clearly has double standards.
Korean players not getting punished for throwing games? Are u kidding me? CoCa..... Please look it up...
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On December 15 2011 07:55 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:50 SC2NeCro wrote:
Also, it's a lack of respect for foreign fans that want to see NANIWA and not Sen that GOM is completely disregarding. Remind me again where it says fans can pick and choose who gets to play in the GSL?
Remind me when fans were the reason behind this decision...even after reading the announcement.
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On December 15 2011 07:51 Starcraftmazter wrote:You have not addressed the following: - Why Korean players never get punished for offensive or disrespectful behaviour - Why Korean players never get punished for throwing games - Why it is OK to insult Naniwai and not apologise for your disrespectful and incorrect statements about him GOMTV is blatantly racist and clearly has double standards.
- Why Korean players never get punished for offensive or disrespectful behaviour
Exactly what have Koreans done that constituted a "offensive or disrespectful behavior?"
- Why Korean players never get punished for throwing games
Name matches that were purposefully thrown that Koreans did not get punished for
- Why it is OK to insult Naniwai and not apologise for your disrespectful and incorrect statements about him
Quote some statements from GOM that was "disrespectful and incorrect" towards NaNiwa
I don't care if you have opinions. But if you're going to take a stab at my country like that, back it up with proof
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On December 15 2011 07:55 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:54 farnham wrote:On December 15 2011 07:49 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:39 GeriMage23 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:34 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:28 MiXyass wrote:
Anybody that says KESPA would've handled this situation better has no idea what they are talking about
KESPA was not only strict about what happened on their own tournaments but they were strict on what happened outside of tournaments so that the players can display the best games possible on television
If this happened under KESPA naniwa would be 100% banned forever in any korean tournament
KESPA would not punish someone for not breaking a rule. KESPA was hard on players but not close to as subjective as GomTV. Its like Singapore vs Pakistan. Yeah KeSPA never banned players for throwing games away.... Ohhh wait saviOr..... HMMMMM.... SaviOr was banned for match fixing. He also broke rules Naniwa did not. how did naniwa not break rules ? whats the rule he broke?
From the OP.
It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules, like for example using a cheat to gain an unfair advantage. NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner.
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It does seem a bit weird that no one outside of GOM, apparently not even MLG, were aware that Naniwas seed was given to the Blizzard cup and not GSL January. I hope Naniwa was informed of this before this all happened.
It also seems a bit weird to give out code S spots to winners of all MLGs, except the last one. Instead the top two of that event get seeded into a tournament that has much lower value. The price money is less and it also does not give you the opportunity to compete in upcoming GSLs. It all seems very weird to me.
I'm also not a fan of the fact that GOM is not taking any kind of responsibility, even after Naniwa has come out and made a full apology. A simple 'While we in no way condone the way Naniwa acted we do understand that part of the problem lies in a tournament format that was not completely thought through." would have made them look much better, at least in my eyes.
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On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
Actually KeSPA would have punished Naniwa even more I think.
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On December 15 2011 06:46 Redmark wrote:
So basically GOM was considering giving seeds to foreign players because they felt like it, and they no longer felt like giving one to Naniwa? That's basically uncontestable, it's their decision.
Yeah people are forgetting that Mr. Chae and GOM wear the daddy pants, not Sundance or the MLG.
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On December 15 2011 07:51 l3iRdMaN wrote:
I completely disagree that naniwa should be punished at all, but, my opinion does not take into account Korean culture and what is/isn't acceptable in a situation like this, therefore my opinion = pretty meaningless.
well, all of our opinions are completly meaningless so don't fell to bad 
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On December 15 2011 07:54 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:53 Hnnngg wrote:On December 15 2011 07:51 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 07:50 lightsentry wrote:
i suppose since there was no gsl dec blizzard cup was more or less gsl december code s right? blizzard cup isnt comparable to code S. if they actually changed the providence prize to a blizzcup spot, they announced false prizes at mlg. Yeah no, it was always top 2 at Providence gets to go to BlizzCup. You think they get Code S and BlizzCup? Yeah right, good shit. blizzcup was for major tournament winners. providence prize was code S spot.
Uh you should check the BlizzCup on liquidpedia.
Top 3 GSL points, MLG Providence top 2, IEM NY winner, IPL3 winner, DH winter winner, Blizzcon winner, and WCG winner.
So you think Naniwa should get to go to Code S AND be invited to BlizzCup? Hilarious.
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On December 15 2011 07:54 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:50 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:41 SCST wrote:
Again I love how people in this thread are constantly whining about how GOM has "no right" to take away a Code S spot for Naniwa. WRONG. GOM owns the tournament, they pay for it and decide every aspect of their own tournament. They can change the rules, break them or whatever they want.
You on the other hand (person complaining about this), most likely sit on your butt and watch the games from a couch eating Cheetos. If you want to let Naniwa play in a tournament and act like a pre-teen, then create your own tournament. What you want is irrelevant. What Naniwa wants is irrelevant. GOM can do whatever they want, and if they don't want a disrespectful punk on their show then all the whining and Cheeto-throwing in the world isn't going to change that. Individuals thinking "waaa it's unfair" seriously need to grow up. There aren't enough consequences for jerks in this world, it should be applauded when someone or something finally grows the balls to enforce some repercussions. And that's the issue. You're giving ALL the power to GOM and taking any shred thats left from the players/fans. In your demented world, GOM calls every shot. Us fans are going to sit in our fucking chairs and pay for their service, or fuck off because we're irrelevant. If GOM wanted to ban a player because they didn't wear a GOM patch every where they went, even when outside of Korea, well then FUCK YOU gom owns the GSL they do what they want. (This is all examples of a corrupt organization and don't represent GOM) It's exactly this stupid line of thinking where someone is willing to take it up the ass because they were told to. You could bet your fucking ass if the players/fans were to take it upon themselves and completely stop watching/participating in GSL they'd change their stance right quick. And this is not even to bash GOM any more than I have, or to incite everyone to protest the GSL. It's bashing this hard right line of thinking where the power of leagues are absolute and the fans/players are expected to bow their heads, and never fight for their own benefit. GSL definitely doesn't hold all the cards, and can definitely be held responsible; not because it happened to Naniwa but because it could happen to anyone. You seriously want everyone to band together and stop watching the GSL because a player who probe rushed because he didn't feel like playing a televised game was punished? I think this controversy has prompted the most ridiculous shit I've heard yet on TL.net
My fucking god I clearly stated it was directed at the argument and not the situation at hand. I'm not even going to explain, re fucking read the post I replied to.
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On December 15 2011 07:51 l3iRdMaN wrote:
I completely disagree that naniwa should be punished at all, but, my opinion does not take into account Korean culture and what is/isn't acceptable in a situation like this, therefore my opinion = pretty meaningless.
No, your opinion is perfectly valid since SC2 isn't a "Korean" thing it's international. If the Korean understanding of Naniwa's actions isn't in line with Naniwa's understanding of his actions at the time you could make the same argument the other way. The Koreans opinion doesn't matter then (discounting that they're running the tournament xD).
Nani did something that was inappropriate that has been taken to extremes because the community loves drama, and because Korean sensibilities were offended.
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On December 15 2011 07:51 Starcraftmazter wrote:You have not addressed the following: - Why Korean players never get punished for offensive or disrespectful behaviour - Why Korean players never get punished for throwing games - Why it is OK to insult Naniwai and not apologise for your disrespectful and incorrect statements about him GOMTV is blatantly racist and clearly has double standards.
Do you watch the GSL? Do you know what happened to CoCa?
Also, trying to win with a crazy strategy and losing (ie Nestea vs. HuK) is not at all the same as obviously refusing to try.
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On December 15 2011 07:50 lightsentry wrote:
i suppose since there was no gsl dec blizzard cup was more or less gsl december code s right?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
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What about the "tournament" where everyone played like crap? MKP playing off race and things like that. Why are players not allowed to play their best then. Double standards in this industry suck yet people seem to get away with it every day.
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On December 15 2011 07:51 Starcraftmazter wrote:You have not addressed the following: - Why Korean players never get punished for offensive or disrespectful behaviour - Why Korean players never get punished for throwing games - Why it is OK to insult Naniwai and not apologise for your disrespectful and incorrect statements about him GOMTV is blatantly racist and clearly has double standards.
Racist?
...
Eh?
As for your second point, SlayersCoCa has something to say. Or would if he hadn't been murdered by his own team for, well, throwing a game.
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On December 15 2011 07:56 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 07:54 farnham wrote:On December 15 2011 07:49 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:39 GeriMage23 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:34 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:28 MiXyass wrote:
Anybody that says KESPA would've handled this situation better has no idea what they are talking about
KESPA was not only strict about what happened on their own tournaments but they were strict on what happened outside of tournaments so that the players can display the best games possible on television
If this happened under KESPA naniwa would be 100% banned forever in any korean tournament
KESPA would not punish someone for not breaking a rule. KESPA was hard on players but not close to as subjective as GomTV. Its like Singapore vs Pakistan. Yeah KeSPA never banned players for throwing games away.... Ohhh wait saviOr..... HMMMMM.... SaviOr was banned for match fixing. He also broke rules Naniwa did not. how did naniwa not break rules ? whats the rule he broke? From the OP. Show nested quote +It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules, like for example using a cheat to gain an unfair advantage. NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner.
yep. they say he didn't break any rules, so my question stands to the person i quoted: "whats the rule he broke?"
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