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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:45 zeru wrote: Yes, it actually was, MLG invited and paid for 4 players. Are you saying its acceptable to just cancel the partnership when it suits GOM after the event? Hmm hmm hmm, Blizzard cup, Blizzard cup, glorious Blizzard cup, how come you're always forgotten, always lost and alone... | ||
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GeriMage23
United States14 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:39 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: Thank you! This proves that GomTV is directly lying. Now they owe us an apology, and they owe MLG an apology. However, it doesn't mean that the punishment is inappropriate. GomTV, just stick with your judgements, if they are Just they will stand. Don't make up fake excuses and deny punishing a player. Now we can't trust you, GomTV. You are a business, not a cause. There are plenty of opposition tournaments that participate in the business of competitive eSports. Your own judgement against NaNiWa is that he acted unprofessionally, and is not trustworthy to give competition to his opponents, nor quality entertainment to your viewers. Your own judgement is turned back upon you. It is not professional business practice to lie to your customers. You are no longer trustworthy. If it is the cause of eSports that we are worried about, then we should support the trustworthy businesses. I certainly am not giving my credit card information to a company that blatantly lies. HAHAHA directly lying huh? Naniwa won the chance to participate in the BLIZZARD CUP with his 2nd place in Providence. Blizzard Cup is like instead of the last season of Code S in 2011. 2011!!!!!!!!!! When is the next Code S? Ohh yeah 2012. As far as I know there are no 2011 MLG pro circuit events in January 2012. Please stop with the "OMFG GOM LIED TO OUR FACES!!!" Bullshit. They announced this weeks ago when they announced the new format. They announced the new seeding system too, they just didn't elaborate on it because they did not deem it necessary because there was not any controversy about it. If u want to go back and look at posts from weeks ago when the new format was announced, you can see that the seeding has already beens changed and if would have taken your ass to Liquipedia, where everything was explained even back then, you'd have known that this had been like this for weeks. Please people, start doing some research before posting ridiculous statements.... | ||
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:47 careohx wrote: So GOMTV lying or MLG false advertisement of prizes? I'm sticking to MLG on this one, but we have to wait and see. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:46 staavros wrote: No problem, as long as MLG or GOM remind us when did this happen and post the relevent links from the time it happened. Or, alternatively, tell us that it changed secretly, with a relevant apology to the fans that they secretly changed an agreement and kept us all in the dark. If it didn't change secretly, there must have been in the past an official announcement of the change and the rules pages should be updated to reflect current information. But I believe it never changed. I believe it was decided today that it is changed, in the light of circumstances. I would be glad to see a link from the past announcing the change though. What you believe isn't relevant in this situation. It has changed, GomTV was about to tell us as they said in their announcement, why are you all giving false arguments without reading the official statement ? | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:37 Hamsterdam wrote: More than anything this incident highlights the lack of clear rules. As a professional league I just sort of expected a clear-cut rule would exist for such a situation. Of course the rules can always be clearer, but no league has clear cut rules. In every professional sport that I follow, the players get upset about "unclear" rules. A really good parallel to this is the NFL's "helmet to helmet" contact rule for which there are steep penalties. Essentially you can't strike "defenseless" targets with your helmet. Of course people disagree about what a defenseless target is, outside of the obvious. That rule will always be ambiguous and one ref will call it differently than another. But concussions are such a problem that the rule has to be enforced, so that players comply in spirit. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82503f17/article/steelers-lb-harrison-suspended-one-game-for-mccoy-hit Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison will be suspended from this week's game against the San Francisco 49ers. I want to stress that many people think this hit was legal, including Deion Sanders in the post-game analysis, on television after the game. Many people disagree with this rule being in the game, period. This next game will be Pittsburgh's toughest by far for the rest of the season, and if they lose a single game, they'll fall from the first to the fifth seed in the AFC. That's not to mention the tens of thousands of dollars he'll have to pay, and the hundred thousand + he's already paid. Similarly, can you have clear rules about what "not trying" means? Or what it means to "throw" a game? No, you can't, but you need to prevent against that. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Announcement above, they took the obligation for Blizzard cup instead of January GSL. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:44 NanaCry wrote: Nope, they just didn't announce it yet. You should REALLY read the OP. you should read the MLG/GSL exchange announcement LOL | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
This is what i thought, when i heard Naniwa would not be in code S this season, due to his silly ness and that he will have to start again. If they banned him from GSL they might aswell kick him out of korea for 1month lol, and ban his KR battle net I.D. GL Naniwa hope u get into Code S from Code A Cant wait for 2012 <3 EDIT: @IllSick no dude you should read the post, they said we have "changed" the way international seeds have been given out for the 2012 (<< note 2012 not 2011) thus MLG exchange program ended with MC the last code S seed from it | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
Its a farce, a soap opera. Somethign you see on bad tv shows. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
Do you have evidence of the contrary? There is 2 sides of this partnership, and GOM is on one side unless you believe they are lying. "2. Doesn't that mean that the GSL is depriving NaNiWa of a Code S seed that he rightfully earned? It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence." | ||
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Dexx
Germany175 Posts
Why the double standards? | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:39 GeriMage23 wrote: Yeah KeSPA never banned players for throwing games away.... Ohhh wait saviOr..... HMMMMM.... SaviOr was banned for match fixing. He also broke rules Naniwa did not. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:48 illsick wrote: you should read the MLG/GSL exchange announcement LOL The one which is outdated as we can clearly see in this announcement ? Why should i do that ? | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:47 Canucklehead wrote: Circumstances change. At the time that was written, Gom had a certain tournament format. Their format has changed a lot since that statement was made. It's only natural that the way players are seeded into gsl from mlg also change with it. There is no hypocrisy or lying here. Just a reshuffling of how mlg players are now seeded into gsl. Don't you think people should be told about such a change? in time no less. Hell, even MLG wrote that Naniwa has recieved his Code S spot, the entire damn community was under the impression that he had his code s spot. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:44 labbe wrote: So GOM is not even admitting any fault here? This is sad, they do this major fuck up that causes more drama than I have ever seen before on TL, and they don't even take any of the blame for it? This statement was just full of empty words. Not good enough GOM. Why should they admit fault when they are not in any way at fault? That's like a police officer apologizing to a thief for arresting him. Naniwa showed that he was not ready to play in code S, so they took him away from the top of the list for the 2 foreigner code S seeds they were giving out. It has been stated many times (though still speculation without a statement from MLG) that providence did not actually give out a code S seed, possibly due to both mlg/gsl changing formats in 2012 and there not being a 2011 GSL after providennce. The statement was quite explanatory and not full of empty words, you just chose to ignore it and call whatever words you didn't like "empty"/ | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:48 HappyChris wrote: Im totally mindblown. Naniwa goes out and apologies. GomTV goes out and lies to the community. Its a farce, a soap opera. Somethign you see on bad tv shows. What do you expect? Those bad tv shows are coming out from networks way better than Gom. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:41 SCST wrote: Again I love how people in this thread are constantly whining about how GOM has "no right" to take away a Code S spot for Naniwa. WRONG. GOM owns the tournament, they pay for it and decide every aspect of their own tournament. They can change the rules, break them or whatever they want. You on the other hand (person complaining about this), most likely sit on your butt and watch the games from a couch eating Cheetos. If you want to let Naniwa play in a tournament and act like a pre-teen, then create your own tournament. What you want is irrelevant. What Naniwa wants is irrelevant. GOM can do whatever they want, and if they don't want a disrespectful punk on their show then all the whining and Cheeto-throwing in the world isn't going to change that. Individuals thinking "waaa it's unfair" seriously need to grow up. There aren't enough consequences for jerks in this world, it should be applauded when someone or something finally grows the balls to enforce some repercussions. And that's the issue. You're giving ALL the power to GOM and taking any shred thats left from the players/fans. In your demented world, GOM calls every shot. Us fans are going to sit in our fucking chairs and pay for their service, or fuck off because we're irrelevant. If GOM wanted to ban a player because they didn't wear a GOM patch every where they went, even when outside of Korea, well then FUCK YOU gom owns the GSL they do what they want. (This is all examples of a corrupt organization and don't represent GOM) It's exactly this stupid line of thinking where someone is willing to take it up the ass because they were told to. You could bet your fucking ass if the players/fans were to take it upon themselves and completely stop watching/participating in GSL they'd change their stance right quick. And this is not even to bash GOM any more than I have, or to incite everyone to protest the GSL. It's bashing this hard right line of thinking where the power of leagues are absolute and the fans/players are expected to bow their heads, and never fight for their own benefit. GSL definitely doesn't hold all the cards, and can definitely be held responsible; not because it happened to Naniwa but because it could happen to anyone. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:49 Dexx wrote: Just one question: Why does GOM invite Idra, a player that threw games at Providence instead of Naniwho basically did the same? Why the double standards? Because GOM doesn't run MLG? | ||
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