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On December 15 2011 07:36 ForgottenOne wrote:How can anyone not like how GOM handles stuff, after a statement like this?! 
You must buy every product with a nice commercial then.
This statement just repeated and confirmed everything the community already discussed.
O don't care for their sugarcoating. They took back the prize they offered to a player based on a subjective punishment.
And just to be clear, the whole MLG spots were sand in the wind after they remade the format ? If I participate in a lottery I would not like if the organizers change the rules after I won.
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On December 15 2011 06:56 ZAiNs wrote:
The second point is such bullshit. Naniwa would 100% have Code S seed if it wasn't for this incident. No need to dress things up and try to make yourself look better...
Yeah he would have, but he doesn't because of his shit attitude.
Example, you were going to invite this kid to your party but then he beats the shit out of your brother before coming, you decide not to invite him.
Sounds legit to me.
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WTF is wrong with you people? Why don't you go talk to a shrink about your hate for a player instead of venting here?
GOM god damn admitted he didn't break any rules. Why? Because they know he didn't. Showed poor sportsmanship? Yeah, but that wasn't enough for them to ban him.
Instead they make up this LIE that Nani was never given the spot in the first place, but were only being considered for it. This way they get away with banning him for basically doing nothing. Aren't you seeing what a corrupt company this is?
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On December 15 2011 07:38 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:33 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:31 Rannasha wrote:On December 15 2011 07:27 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:21 Nexic wrote:
So bullshit that GOM doesn't admit to any fault of their own for making a bad format.
No explicit apology on their behalf is very ****ed up, much less respect for them going forward. Your definition of "bad format" is one in which fans get to see a huge grudge match between Nani and Nestea? It wouldn't have been exciting at all. Two players that have just lost 3 matches in a row and are eliminated from the tournament. Both players would be frustrated and neither cares much at that point and neither will give their best. Well GOM presumably put it at the end because they thought it would make it that much more important... not predicting they'd both go 0-3. What is GOM supposed to do? Cancel the match they scheduled cause one of the players refuses to try if he can't win it all? Please tell me one single tournament format in any other sport with big money involved that has teams / players playing against each other when they're both knocked out, and not have any kind of prize pool. This is retarded and it even contradicts the statement of naniwa not being professional, as being a professional means to make money out of what you do. It's the definition of the word. If Gom's too cheap to pay for pointless matches, then why even bother playing them from a player perspective?
Well off the top of my head... every single professional sports league in North America that uses a playoff system...
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On December 15 2011 07:38 NanaCry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:35 staavros wrote:On December 15 2011 07:21 NanaCry wrote:On December 15 2011 07:18 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S. But they did allrdy announce it get it? They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules. So MLG Dallas 2025 will award a Code-S Spot too? Stop being blind, the partnership is over, or atleast in this form. GOM was about to explain it to us (as they said in this thread that you apparently didn't read). If you fail to read or refuse to believe them, it's your problem but that doesn't make your statement right. MLG Dallas 2025 is not a 2011 Pro Circuit Live event, thus it will not award a code S spot, unless an agreement is made by that time that determines so. MLG Providence 2011 on the other hand, is a 2011 Pro Circuit Live event and, according to an absolutaly clearly worded agreement between MLG and GSL/GOM, awards code S status to the highest placed non-code S player, unless none such exists in the top 3. The partnership, as defined by the specific agreement is over, AFTER MLG Providence 2011. It includes (as very clearly stated in the announcements of both MLG and GOM) all 2011 Pro Circuit Live events subsequent to the starting date of the agreement. Edited mistake in the last sentence. Unless the partnership changes. Which happened. Read the OP.
It didnt change, since there were 4 GSL invites to MLG Providence. They cant just change AFTER the event, that is just retarded.
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On December 15 2011 07:36 shire wrote:
guys...
Naniwa was invited to Code S. Naniwa did not go through Code A or won through Up and Down matches.
he was one of candidate for Code S 2012 season 1. Due to his actions, he was taken of the lift of candidate. It is not like this is mid Season of Code S or anything. If Naniwa deserves to be in code S, he can go through the qualifier and show he has what it takes other than losing to Lucky two times in a row in first round.
care to explain this?
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up?
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hahaha jesus christ
This community is pretty fucking aweful, and not something I want to be a part of anymore.
Every fucking day, people create some new bullshit drama and initiate the same old disgusting witch hunt on some player/caster for erring in some insignificant way, and this time it went to the point where a tournament felt it had to dictate the way players choose to play their games, just so that they could please the so called "fans".
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 15 2011 07:38 ShotgunMike wrote:
Thanks for the information. I find it a bit irritating that someone loses his seed based on something that did not happen in relation to the tournament in question.
I would also like to have some more information on what this means in practice for GSL next year. Will GOM select players just on a whim? The nice thing this year was that both players and fans new how to qualify for GSL as a foreginer; which events that provided that opportunity. What I understand from this message is that GOM will select players based on their own critera that is not pre-defined or measurable. I think this is a step in the wrong direction and not professional at all. There as to be consitency in how player qualify for tournaments that are as prestigious as GSL. Otherwise it is just another invitational and not something that the players should fight for the same way they do today.
There is GSL Code A qualifier monthly, a lot of foreigners try to qualify for it, from what I know, only SEN + Huk are qualified by themself, all other foreigners get rewarded for their spots in Code A/ S.
Naniwa get reward countless time and keep doing poorly.
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Good move by GOM.
From what I gather concerning the guaranteed spot in Code S from MLG. This rule applied only for the 2011 season of GSL. The rules were being revised for the 2012 season and Naniwa was a top consideration for the Code S spot since he did meet the MLG requirements for the previous season.
So there was no guaranteed spot but GOM was planning to honor their statement from the previous year for the beginning of 2012 for Naniwa and this incident made them change their minds.
Nothing wrong at all with that.
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In my opinion, this was a passionate decision, really influenced by the korean vocal community. They should've had thought better about it before taking such a big decision.
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On December 15 2011 07:37 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:36 shire wrote:
guys...
Naniwa was invited to Code S. Naniwa did not go through Code A or won through Up and Down matches.
he was one of candidate for Code S 2012 season 1. Due to his actions, he was taken of the lift of candidate. It is not like this is mid Season of Code S or anything. If Naniwa deserves to be in code S, he can go through the qualifier and show he has what it takes other than losing to Lucky two times in a row in first round. wrong. as stated many times in this thread, he won a code S spot at providence.
As stated many times before there were no seeds up for grabs at providence, care to explain why no one got seeded into the up-and-downs this season?
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On December 15 2011 07:35 staavros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:21 NanaCry wrote:On December 15 2011 07:18 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S. But they did allrdy announce it get it? They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules. So MLG Dallas 2025 will award a Code-S Spot too? Stop being blind, the partnership is over, or atleast in this form. GOM was about to explain it to us (as they said in this thread that you apparently didn't read). If you fail to read or refuse to believe them, it's your problem but that doesn't make your statement right. MLG Dallas 2025 is not a 2011 Pro Circuit Live event, thus it will not award a code S spot, unless an agreement is made by that time that determines so. MLG Providence 2011 on the other hand, is a 2011 Pro Circuit Live event and, according to an absolutaly clearly worded agreement between MLG and GSL/GOM, awards code S status to the highest placed non-code S player, unless none such exists in the top 3. The partnership, as defined by the specific agreement is over, AFTER MLG Providence 2011. It includes (as very clearly stated in the announcements of both MLG and GOM) all 2011 Pro Circuit Live events subsequent to the starting date of the agreement. Edited mistake in the last sentence.
Is Providence considered a live circuit event like Dallas, Orlando...etc. Or is it labeled differently because it was the finals and not just another live event that lead up to it. If so, then GOM is right in saying that Nani was only awarded a spot in the BlizzGOM finals. I think everyone is looking at the situation wrong.
But anyways, hopefully Nani tries out for Code A and makes it into Code S.
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On December 15 2011 07:37 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:36 shire wrote:
guys...
Naniwa was invited to Code S. Naniwa did not go through Code A or won through Up and Down matches.
he was one of candidate for Code S 2012 season 1. Due to his actions, he was taken of the lift of candidate. It is not like this is mid Season of Code S or anything. If Naniwa deserves to be in code S, he can go through the qualifier and show he has what it takes other than losing to Lucky two times in a row in first round. wrong. as stated many times in this thread, he won a code S spot at providence.
Actually I think what happened is this: GOM changes their format along with how Code S seeds are given out. However, Naniwa was basically going to get the Code S spot if this incident didn't happen so GOM didn't see a reason to correct any of the articles stating this. The lack of complete transparency has come to haunt them, as it does many companies.
I am not really offended though and will continue to support GOM.
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On December 15 2011 07:38 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:33 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:31 Rannasha wrote:On December 15 2011 07:27 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:21 Nexic wrote:
So bullshit that GOM doesn't admit to any fault of their own for making a bad format.
No explicit apology on their behalf is very ****ed up, much less respect for them going forward. Your definition of "bad format" is one in which fans get to see a huge grudge match between Nani and Nestea? It wouldn't have been exciting at all. Two players that have just lost 3 matches in a row and are eliminated from the tournament. Both players would be frustrated and neither cares much at that point and neither will give their best. Well GOM presumably put it at the end because they thought it would make it that much more important... not predicting they'd both go 0-3. What is GOM supposed to do? Cancel the match they scheduled cause one of the players refuses to try if he can't win it all? Please tell me one single tournament format in any other sport with big money involved that has teams / players playing against each other when they're both knocked out, and not have any kind of prize pool. This is retarded and it even contradicts the statement of naniwa not being professional, as being a professional means to make money out of what you do. It's the definition of the word. If Gom's too cheap to pay for pointless matches, then why even bother playing them from a player perspective?
Bad move. Every single football/sport fan is gonna RANT at you about how their favorite sports team sends out the b players when they dont make it to the playoffs. Or world cup stuff. Or something.
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GomTV are lying I got proof
Hihi: Your Official Announcement
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
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We hope that no one gets the wrong picture and believes that NaNiWa is being treated disadvantageously because he is a foreigner. On the contrary, if a Korean had been involved in a similar incident, it is possible that a much harsher reaction would have followed. It is also very likely that the player's team would have taken firm action before the GSL could have even reacted to it.
Absolutely. Coca is a fine example of this. GOM did the right thing.
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On December 15 2011 07:40 bqm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:38 ShotgunMike wrote:
Thanks for the information. I find it a bit irritating that someone loses his seed based on something that did not happen in relation to the tournament in question.
I would also like to have some more information on what this means in practice for GSL next year. Will GOM select players just on a whim? The nice thing this year was that both players and fans new how to qualify for GSL as a foreginer; which events that provided that opportunity. What I understand from this message is that GOM will select players based on their own critera that is not pre-defined or measurable. I think this is a step in the wrong direction and not professional at all. There as to be consitency in how player qualify for tournaments that are as prestigious as GSL. Otherwise it is just another invitational and not something that the players should fight for the same way they do today. There is GSL Code A qualifier monthly, a lot of foreigners try to qualify for it, from what I know, only SEN + Huk are qualified by themself, all other foreigners get rewarded for their spots in Code A/ S. Naniwa get reward countless time and keep doing poorly.
He won them true the goddam MLG exchange program just like MMA,DRG and MC did get it
Your Official Announcement
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Learn to fucking read
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On December 15 2011 07:37 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:36 shire wrote:
guys...
Naniwa was invited to Code S. Naniwa did not go through Code A or won through Up and Down matches.
he was one of candidate for Code S 2012 season 1. Due to his actions, he was taken of the lift of candidate. It is not like this is mid Season of Code S or anything. If Naniwa deserves to be in code S, he can go through the qualifier and show he has what it takes other than losing to Lucky two times in a row in first round. wrong. as stated many times in this thread, he won a code S spot at providence.
Wrong. As stated many times in this and other threads, he did not win a code S spot at providence because providence did not give out a code S spot.
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Again I love how people in this thread are constantly whining about how GOM has "no right" to take away a Code S spot for Naniwa. WRONG. GOM owns the tournament, they pay for it and decide every aspect of their own tournament. They can change the rules, break them or whatever they want.
You on the other hand (person complaining about this), most likely sit on your butt and watch the games from a couch eating Cheetos. If you want to let Naniwa play in a tournament and act like a pre-teen, then create your own tournament. What you want is irrelevant. What Naniwa wants is irrelevant. GOM can do whatever they want, and if they don't want a disrespectful punk on their show then all the whining and Cheeto-throwing in the world isn't going to change that. Individuals thinking "waaa it's unfair" seriously need to grow up. There aren't enough consequences for jerks in this world, it should be applauded when someone or something finally grows the balls to enforce some repercussions.
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On December 15 2011 07:39 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 staavros wrote:
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
MLG Providence was a 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition.
Pro Circuit Live Competitions grant Code S status. NOT invites to any particular tournament, be it Blizzard cup or anything else.
I expect either GOM or MLG, preferrably the latter, to explain to me and many others of the same opinion what of the above is wrong. For me that concludes the discussion about GOM simply deciding to NOT OFFER naniwa code S, versus TAKING IT AWAY from him.
On a side note, just an observation: Naniwa's code S status was announced by virtually EVERY party involved in starcraft 2 those previous weeks. Shouldn't GOM clarify that this is not true?
I am sorry, but no matter how much I try to rationalize it driven by my love for starcraft, it still seems absolutely clear that the rules changed overnight. I will still, with great hope, anticipate a statement that sets things straight. Thank you! This proves that GomTV is directly lying. Now they owe us an apology, and they owe MLG an apology. However, it doesn't mean that the punishment is inappropriate. GomTV, just stick with your judgements, if they are Just they will stand. Don't make up fake excuses and deny punishing a player. Now we can't trust you, GomTV. You are a business, not a cause. There are plenty of opposition tournaments that participate in the business of competitive eSports. Your own judgement against NaNiWa is that he acted unprofessionally, and is not trustworthy to give competition to his opponents, nor quality entertainment to your viewers. Your own judgement is turned back upon you. It is not professional business practice to lie to your customers. You are no longer trustworthy. If it is the cause of eSports that we are worried about, then we should support the trustworthy businesses.I certainly am not giving my credit card information to a company that blatantly lies.
GomTV isn't lying, partnership changed, read the OP.
Naniwa wasn't punished, he just wasn't chose for the spot, read the OP.
You're welcome.
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