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On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. Show nested quote +It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it.
Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2
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On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2
No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did.
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On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did.
he did a workerrush, what's wrong with that? he didnt even break the mentioned rule.
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On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2
Sounds like another game we all know and love. >.>
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On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did.
I might be wrong but dont foreigners provide them with more money than korean viewers?
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On December 19 2011 06:12 ilikeLIONZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did. he did a workerrush, what's wrong with that? he didnt even break the mentioned rule.
hence "he was taken off the consideration list" not some direct punishment.
his actions showed how much respect he lacked for the game, the players, the fan, and the organization. GOM's decision was determined by that.
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Not taking any sides here but:
"Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game ..."
Your example is stupid therefore your argument is invalid.
Can't understand how can GOM compare athletics to Blizzcup. In athletics, when you lose, you're out for good. At least make valid points next time, thanks.
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On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did.
so you have to be a Naniwa fan to think logical?
don't get that.
every lawyer would need 5 sec to see whats the case here - breach of contract.
(at least, not to mention the poor way they treat the community and their partners like MLG)
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On December 19 2011 06:27 The Void wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did. so you have to be a Naniwa fan to think logical? don't get that. every lawyer would need 5 sec to see whats the case here - breach of contract. (at least, not to mention the poor way they treat the community and their partners like MLG)
How exactly is it breach of contract? MLG said themselves they have the right to change it when they please.
Have you read the contract and seen what is written in there? If not you cannot make claims like this.
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On December 19 2011 06:27 The Void wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did. so you have to be a Naniwa fan to think logical? don't get that. every lawyer would need 5 sec to see whats the case here - breach of contract. (at least, not to mention the poor way they treat the community and their partners like MLG)
It will take any lawyer 5 sec to see that changing your mind about giving someone a GIFT is a breech of contract? Interesting. Or is GOM substituting a code S spot with a blizzcup spot that MLG said was "within their right to do so" breech of contract? I'm sorry but you kinda missed my point, the naniwa fans blindly defending him with the same old tired arguments are the ones not thinnking clearly right now.
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On December 19 2011 06:16 yotis wrote:
Not taking any sides here but:
"Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game ..."
Your example is stupid therefore your argument is invalid.
Can't understand how can GOM compare athletics to Blizzcup. In athletics, when you lose, you're out for good. At least make valid points next time, thanks.
imagine what kind of shit player/coach would get from fans if they were down in points, no way of making it out of the group stage in the world cup so they decided to own goal throughout the last game, or to just walk off the field to show their displeasure.\
i'm sure FIFA would step in and say something too.
as gom stated, and as many, many people agree, winning and money isn't everything.
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So, has there been any comment from GOM regarding the fact that they lied about the Code S seed and changed stuff on their website so people wouldn't notice?
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On December 19 2011 06:57 PraetorianX wrote:
So, has there been any comment from GOM regarding the fact that they lied about the Code S seed and changed stuff on their website so people wouldn't notice?
Except they didn't lie, or "changed stuff on their website so people wouldn't notice." Most everyone in korea knew that the prize for providence was a spot in the blizzardcup not a code S spot.
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On December 19 2011 06:27 The Void wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did. so you have to be a Naniwa fan to think logical? don't get that. every lawyer would need 5 sec to see whats the case here - breach of contract. (at least, not to mention the poor way they treat the community and their partners like MLG)
You must not be a lawyer if you used the term "breach of contract" so callously. We've never even seen the contract.
Edit: The information that you see posted on GSL/MLG websites are just general summaries so the public understands how things work. MLG stated that the actions were under GSL's jurisdiction. I assume that means that in the actual contract it was within GSL's power, which would mean there was no breach.
By the way, I personally don't know enough to have an opinion on who is right or wrong in this matter, I just wanted to clarify. If there was a breach of contract a lawsuit would probably be pending, in this case I think it is an ethical conflict more than a legal one.
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On December 19 2011 07:01 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 06:57 PraetorianX wrote:
So, has there been any comment from GOM regarding the fact that they lied about the Code S seed and changed stuff on their website so people wouldn't notice? Except they didn't lie, or "changed stuff on their website so people wouldn't notice." Most everyone in korea knew that the prize for providence was a spot in the blizzardcup not a code S spot.
GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence.
Gom, why are you making this up?
1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)?
2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, delete d today)?
3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S?
4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that:
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize.
I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism.
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On December 19 2011 06:16 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 06:12 ilikeLIONZ wrote:On December 19 2011 05:59 hunts wrote:On December 19 2011 05:10 Almtom wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. Ya pretty obvious to everyone that GOM is lying their asses of. The question is what can we do about it except boycot their leagues? They are getting scary powerful in SC2 No. The only people that "it's obvious GOM is lying their asses of" are the diehard nanniwa fans. Everyone else can see they are not lying and that all that happened is some miscommunication. And really go ahead and boycott GSL, they really won't care about the 20-30 of you boycotting them when they would've lost thousands of korean viewers had they let naniwa get away with what he did. he did a workerrush, what's wrong with that? he didnt even break the mentioned rule. hence "he was taken off the consideration list" not some direct punishment. his actions showed how much respect he lacked for the game, the players, the fan, and the organization. GOM's decision was determined by that.
THIS
he pulled his hands off the keyboards and stopped. its not a worker rush, its him giving up and saying screw it
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I'm amazed about the number of people still butthurt about the whole thing and insulting Gom. Of course it was not the perfect decision from our point of view (foreigners), but it was completely logical if you take into account the fact that the whole korean community would have been outraged if they didnt do anything. They HAD to do something, because the korean community is obviously their principal customer. And im not even taking into account the fact that Naniwa fully deserved that.
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THIS
he pulled his hands off the keyboards and stopped. its not a worker rush, its him giving up and saying screw it
Well ban him for one season then. And stand for that. Don't lie like this !!
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Does anyone here really think their "right" opinion is going to be accepted by everyone in the community?
Why are we still discussing this. T_T
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Jesus people are still arguing about this saying the same incorrect things people said days ago. Its like people didn't even read all the threads that cleared up a lot of this crap. Just let this die.
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