EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 113
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 19 2011 08:16 hunts wrote: Are you really comparing naniwa not being considered for a possible code S spot anymore to SOPA? Really? No I am comparing the idea of accepting things you dislike and shutting up about it. Its about not accepting injustice be it small or large. | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
On December 19 2011 07:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote: What kind of tournament doesn't allow players to forfeit if they so please? We see walkovers and forfeits in every tournament... Even no-call-no-shows. GOM should have allowed NaNiwa to forfeit in the first place. As for all of the events that happened afterwards... There's not much new I can add. forfeit is bad for any tournament... mlg has tons of walkovers in open bracket but theres way too many competitors and the fact that they are concentrated in the earlier open bracket which is not aired they seem lax about it, on the other hand when nasl has walkovers and dropouts in their season long tournament it hurts their schedule and content since they are all planned to be air, and so they penalize players by keeping their deposits. | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
On December 19 2011 07:17 nokz88 wrote: Is this shitstorm still going on? geez people... Gomtv gave the code S seed to someone else, Naniwa apologized, and he is now clear to participate in GSL after the next one. Arguing about technicalities, when the true heart of the issue have been resolved, is being unreasonable and dumb. Let it go. Life goes on. Learn to pay for your mistakes. Quit beating the dead horse. Naniwa was never banned from gsl, just revoked consideration for code S seed. Technically he can play in next seasons Gsl qualifiers / code A if he wishes but I believe he denied that himself out of atonement. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 19 2011 08:52 RedTerror wrote: Competitive spirit ... right, like we don't see players going for carriers and battlecruisers in matches that don't matter. At least that can provide some form of entertainment, and there is always a slim chance that carriers and BC's en-mass can actually win. It's the mentality of "Well there's nothing in this for me, so let's do something crazy and off-the-wall" they're still providing a form of entertainment, though I accept a lot of people do find this disappointing too. What Naniwa did was essentially a "Fuck you *middle finger*", whether that was his intention to send that message or not I do not know but, but there's no denying it was an incredibly foolish immature act which he did without contemplating the ramifications. He could've at the very least proxy two gate/4 gate all-in every game. Would that have been in competitive spirit? No, but there a big difference between that and what he did. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 19 2011 08:52 RedTerror wrote: Competitive spirit ... right, like we don't see players going for carriers and battlecruisers in matches that don't matter. so you're saying when MC played DRG he didn't wannna get to the finals of blizzcup? | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
just let's it go and go on | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
even if it was such a long time ago this topic was started, let people have their say. even if it meens just agreeing with one side or the other | ||
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Kruudos
Sweden8 Posts
Korean players do this as often as foreigne players do. They are just more sneaky about it and hide it. Where have we as a eSports community gone when this becomes a huge shitstorm of hate over 2 days and after we get the formal statements from both sides and an apology from Naniwa we instantly drop it, without any questions? This community and eSport in general is far from what an actual sport and community should be like. ¨ Thats my 2 cents. User was warned for this post | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On December 19 2011 16:26 Kruudos wrote: GOMTV is a fucking joke. Its racism all over the place. Its like the Korean players are their little kids that would never drink, never do drugs and never have sex. But all the other peoples children are fucking idiots who drink, fight and do drugs. (foreigners) Korean players do this as often as foreigne players do. They are just more sneaky about it and hide it. Where have we as a eSports community gone when this becomes a huge shitstorm of hate over 2 days and after we get the formal statements from both sides and an apology from Naniwa we instantly drop it, without any questions? This community and eSport in general is far from what an actual sport and community should be like. ¨ Thats my 2 cents. Racism, you're really pulling the racism card on GOM? Of all the back-water insults, you're using RACISM? Please, I know you're getting so riled up because of your nationalism but at least be reasonable about it | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
Licensed Korean "PROGAMERS" in Broodwar have been throwing matches in WCG group stages to avoid other Koreans in eilmination brackets before top 4 which is OK according to them Marineking can hold his Dokdo sign to offend GSL Japanese viewers in GSLWC and still get away with it. But, it is not ok if a player throws a game in a match that doesn't matter. GOM is like Kespa 2.0, but at least Kespa follow their rules and stick with them (the stupid "gg" and "ppp" rules) whilst GOM just pull rules out of their ass( such as changing GSL formats once a month to get rid off 20 Terrans in Code S and the "abusive behavior" rule) | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
![[image loading]](http://p.twimg.com/Ag-S8bKCQAAE-XH.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p.twimg.com/Ag-SuFYCEAAbY7M.jpg) tyler for president! | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:13 parazice wrote: funny you guys still QQ about this shit just let's it go and go on ah ok, you saying you are one of theese guys who are uppset 2-3 days and then move on and swallow all shit coming up? one of them which don't care about anything and why the hole world is such a mess? kcool. (nobody QQs, maybe we're just not able swallow that much like you do) On December 19 2011 21:12 Soma.bokforlag wrote: tyler for president! Nice xD where do you got this from? occupy GOM! | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:42 ppshchik wrote: Lol @ GOM and their Korean hypocrisy Licensed Korean "PROGAMERS" in Broodwar have been throwing matches in WCG group stages to avoid other Koreans in eilmination brackets before top 4 which is OK according to them Marineking can hold his Dokdo sign to offend GSL Japanese viewers in GSLWC and still get away with it. But, it is not ok if a player throws a game in a match that doesn't matter. GOM is like Kespa 2.0, but at least Kespa follow their rules and stick with them (the stupid "gg" and "ppp" rules) whilst GOM just pull rules out of their ass( such as changing GSL formats once a month to get rid off 20 Terrans in Code S and the "abusive behavior" rule) Im confused they run the league so they decide the format. Also comparing gom to kespa is kind of rediculous. I was kind of on the fence on who I thought was right until the op mentioned that this could drive players to do this more; by setting the precedent that it was ok. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On December 19 2011 10:20 Greendotz wrote: He could've at the very least proxy two gate/4 gate all-in every game. Would that have been in competitive spirit? No, but there a big difference between that and what he did. The whole probe rush affair was alot more entertaining that a half-assed 4 gate would've been though  | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10854 Posts
On December 19 2011 22:20 Rannasha wrote: The whole probe rush affair was alot more entertaining that a half-assed 4 gate would've been though Thats actually true, but would change quickly with the second, third, fourth... probe rush  . | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
Unless there is conspiracy or collusion going on with Mafia gangs and sports betting, then there is a reason why you should ban a player (I.E savior) It's ashame what happened at the Blizzard Cup, but I don't think Naniwa should lose his Code S spot. The more appropriate response would have been a reprimand or a warning. Maybe adding an addendum to the GSL contract that says that any player that purposely throws a game will be revoked of the GSL Code S spot. However, since what GOM is doing is Ex Post Facto, which means After the FACT.. That there is NO Rule in the contract or game that says that Probe Rushing is a violation of policy of the GSL Blizzard CUP.. Naniwa would probably win the lawsuit given the chance. but really the cost to sue GOM would be prohibitive, since paying lawyers would outweigh the the compensation you get if Naniwa retained the Code S spot | ||
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mind_control
Korea (South)25 Posts
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 19 2011 22:21 Velr wrote: Thats actually true, but would change quickly with the second, third, fourth... probe rush .anyway.. it should be the common move, if organisation set up fun games - why not make fun of it. i am thankful for not wasting my time with meaningless games. triple robo mass observer ftw! more entertaining than any 4gate. | ||
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mind_control
Korea (South)25 Posts
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