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MIKster
Germany333 Posts
After going on such a losing streak and knowing you can't show you best anymore: why give a half hearted effort? Naniwa plays to win and if he knows he can’t he won’t even try. If Naniwa loses his Code S spot I will demand my 100$ refunded. Don't do it GOM! But they won't.. Naniwa brings viewers  | ||
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2par
Norway129 Posts
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Superfluous
United States70 Posts
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Shableh
Canada40 Posts
Putting that aside, you now have a Naniwa VS Nestea match... who in their right mind wouldn't want to see that? The fact that Naniwa did that is kind of a slap in the face of any of Nestea's fans, Naniwa's fans, and every SC2 fan that had wanted to see an amazing match from two power houses. He should have wanted to go out with some dignity, and not like a chump. If he tried his hardest against Nestea, and beat him, I would say that that would have been a damn good accomplishment in that talent filled tourney. | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:50 Executor1 wrote: what do you mean cajones? this was a pure act of cowardice. Obviously after talking all that shit to nestea and basically hyping up the match at the press conference before hand he had alot to lose and chose to be a pussy and bow out instead of fighting. Its kind of like saying your going to kick someones ass and trash talk them all day and then not show up for the fight. the move of a coward i can almost guarantee he would have played it out if his last game was anyone else but nestea. Pretty much sums up what I think too, I'm sure he just didn't want to play straight up and get crushed after nestea makes him eat his own words. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:03 Shableh wrote: Okay, so one would say, why even play out? That I think everyone can slightly agree with that. Putting that aside, you now have a Naniwa VS Nestea match... who in their right mind wouldn't want to see that? The fact that Naniwa did that is kind of a slap in the face of any of Nestea's fans, Naniwa's fans, and every SC2 fan that had wanted to see an amazing match from two power houses. He should have wanted to go out with some dignity, and not like a chump. If he tried his hardest against Nestea, and beat him, I would say that that would have been a damn good accomplishment in that talent filled tourney. And if he lost he might suicide. He was on tilt, angry, and upset. If he tried his hardest for a 4th game and lost, he might've done something that would piss people off even more. Lol. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
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6BiT
513 Posts
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muNsu
Italy37 Posts
Also, let me remind you what has happened in the past and this drama never happened. For example Idra being bad mannered to everyone, in official games, GG'ing when the fans were already hyped and in the middle of a game. ITS BETTER FOR HIS MENTALITY you said, and that was in the middle of games that actually meant something. Stephano throwing games when they actually mattered for the rest of the group he was in, nobody said shit, because you just see what you want to see. Nestea playing for fun in a showmatch (remember the gsl allstars something? I recall you had to pay for that too), then he lost to huk and everybody defended him because hey, doing dumb shit was fine because he's nestea and booo huk why would you tryhard when there's nothing on the line? I could go on but you probably don't have the brain to understand/don't want to understand what's happening, just stop talking about naniwa not being worth to be called a progamer because you just don't have any right from your nothingness to trash someone's hard work like that. And also, if something like this gets him penalized somehow then it just shows how much of a joke esports is. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:10 6BiT wrote: some people need to lighten the fuck up, we got some shock value from a game (a bo1) that meant nothing. at least those of us that have a sense of humour and no carrots in our ass got abit of a laugh out of it. Rofl. Yes. PS: What happened to your older sibling, 8BiT? | ||
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aut0mati0n
United States97 Posts
Reddit got over this crap like 2 hours ago. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
Think back to NBA a couple seasons ago when it was clear that Lebron wasn't giving his 100% effort in the playoff game simply because he was mentally frustrated. We can all symphasize with his emotional conditions (who enjoys losing anyways), but that doesn't change the fact that he is a professional basketball player and he should act accordingly. It's all fine when you pull this kind of crap on your own time (streaming ladder games or whatnot). But when you are playing in a tournament in which a lot of time, effort, and most importantly money is invested, you better put on your "professional" game face and start playing for more than your own goods. At this point, you are playing for not only your goals, but also for your sponsors, tournaments who invited you in, the fans, the casters, and ultimately the sport that you are playing which is e-goddamn-sport. | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:52 KoRStarvid wrote: Unlike the earlier games, he had nothing to gain financially from playing that game, and thusly Naniwa did exactly what was required of him. He's a pro gamer, not an artist. He competes in StarCraft 2 for money, he's not putting on shows for our entertainment. Technically he played that game, but he didn't fake any competetion. For all I care, he could've a moved probes in every damn game and still earned that money just for showing up, but since he's a professional gamer he only did it in the completely meaningless game. Go watch WWE if you want a show. Nonsense. You don't want a show, fine, but you're not everyone else. He's also paid to entertain and attract viewers. See the Quantic quote when they took over his contract, it's clear that they expect to entertain viewers with games. This is a live event with many fans attending in person, you are deluded if you think that this is not a show. And the show is part of pro gaming, whether you like it or not. That's why there are rivalries which are hyped up, etc. Believe it or not, sponsors and fans care about interesting and exciting games, even if the winner does not benefit financially. If you don't care, that's your thing, but claiming that nobody should care or they should watch WWE is just retarded. If you don't care about the show, don't watch the game that doesn't affect his prize money, but he is being paid to entertain -- that's what sponsorship is all about, drawing viewers. Edit: Since you seem to have missed it, here's Quantic's statement: “We’ve make a commitment to invest in StarCraft 2, in order to deliver the most memorable and engaging experiences for both fans and partners. We expect our ‘Power-Protoss-Duo’ to deliver at the highest and most entertaining level. I warmly welcome Johan to the team.” If you don't watch a show, don't watch the event. It's wrong to say he isn't paid to entertain. | ||
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OneWhoIsMany
Canada292 Posts
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ackbar
United States94 Posts
Its his job to put on a show - and in a sense, he did. The fact that there is a 50+ page thread is evidence of that. | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
Furthermore, many spectators and players alike seem to forget an ancient but precious tool of communication: language. If they feel that the format should be revised, they can discuss about it without putting up these childish acts beforehand. | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
What most Naniwa supporters forget is that pro-gaming is also a job. There's going to be no mercy given if one's having a bad day and because of that not even attempt to put in a reasonable effort to do what they're supposed to do (in this case, playing a game to a reasonable entirety). Even if the work condition sucks (so in this case the format), there's still a job to do, and in this case, since his name is on the match list, Naniwa needs to go out and do his job. After all Nestea and Hero didn't have it much better than him, and they still played it out. Not only that but it's a privilege to play in that cup, not a right. GOM could have easily gotten another foreigner in place of Naniwa. Plus, Naniwa is probably sponsored to play. It's not like his well-being is on the line because he desperately needs the tournament money to survive; he should be getting paid because he is a top-name player and has a reputation of playing and entertaining viewers with his skill set and overall game play. Is it contractually wrong for him to throw the game like that... probably not. However I would think that he has some sort of obligation to represent himself well by at least trying to put up an effort. Anyways, why would someone care about a person being the best at a game if no one will care, because of factors such as a lack of gamesmanship and etc.? | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:28 bmn wrote: Nonsense. You don't want a show, fine, but you're not everyone else. He's also paid to entertain and attract viewers. See the Quantic quote when they took over his contract, it's clear that they expect to entertain viewers with games. This is a live event with many fans attending in person, you are deluded if you think that this is not a show. And the show is part of pro gaming, whether you like it or not. That's why there are rivalries which are hyped up, etc. Believe it or not, sponsors and fans care about interesting and exciting games, even if the winner does not benefit financially. If you don't care, that's your thing, but claiming that nobody should care or they should watch WWE is just retarded. If you don't care about the show, don't watch the game that doesn't affect his prize money, but he is being paid to entertain -- that's what sponsorship is all about, drawing viewers. Edit: Since you seem to have missed it, here's Quantic's statement: If you don't watch a show, don't watch the event. It's wrong to say he isn't paid to entertain. It's up to GOM to put on a show, not Naniwa. They failed to do so. | ||
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