EPTIt is just a really emotional game, where it is hard to manage your anger.
And are we going to call the cunt's on the field better mannered than Naniwa? What is going on, I don't justify Naniwa's behaviour but stop this irrelevant nonsense.
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
It is just a really emotional game, where it is hard to manage your anger. And are we going to call the cunt's on the field better mannered than Naniwa? What is going on, I don't justify Naniwa's behaviour but stop this irrelevant nonsense. | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:07 Mattchew wrote: Anyone comparing this to other sports is completely incorrect. Players in other professional sports are judged and paid on statistics, leadership and ability to win (among other things). For the 0 and 13 colts, none of the games left this season matter to them and barely matter to the teams they play. However the colts players and coaches will still try their absolute hardest because there is a substantial amount of money and job secruity on the line if the players play well and the coaches prove they can coach well. In golf, the out of contention players get cut from a tournament. In tennis there is no tournament system like this. This result is a complete product of Format of this Blizzard Cup. The amount of money gained doesn't change, there is no official world ranking at stake, there is no team invite or tournament invite that is being gained or missed by winning or losing, this game was a free showmatch. Should Naniwa have probe rushed, no, even he said this. Should we blame him, no. Blame the tournament and its dumbass format. How about blaming the tournament AND Naniwa. The tournament allowed this match to happen but Naniwa made it worse. | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:45 m0ck wrote: So you would like more effort in pretending? We're basically talking of how much of a poser you're supposed to be before it's ok to lose. Institutionalized hypocrisy is a result of and a problem with bad tournament-formats. I can't think too harshly on players that don't go along with make-believe games. It's a compatition, not a game-show. not pretending, but improving the attitude and acquiring sportsmanship | ||
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Thauleris
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:11 dcsoda wrote: How about blaming the tournament AND Naniwa. The tournament allowed this match to happen but Naniwa made it worse. Everyone already blamed Naniwa, so that's a moot point. And even then, he's only one player and he's only in the crosshairs because he was obvious about not caring. Players "throw" games all the time in situations like this, they just hide it. We need to address the stupid tourney format because that's what actually has a meaningful impact. | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:56 Aristodemus wrote: What a joke it is, the reaction is far far worse than the probe rush. He doesnt owe YOU anything. if thats the way he and his fans feel, than they should stop complaining when he does stupid things and gets shit for it. | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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Pandahats
United Kingdom13 Posts
A sad sad sad sad sad day I'm a sad Panda  | ||
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Secret05
United States342 Posts
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:07 Mattchew wrote: Anyone comparing this to other sports is completely incorrect. Players in other professional sports are judged and paid on statistics, leadership and ability to win (among other things). For the 0 and 13 colts, none of the games left this season matter to them and barely matter to the teams they play. However the colts players and coaches will still try their absolute hardest because there is a substantial amount of money and job secruity on the line if the players play well and the coaches prove they can coach well. In golf, the out of contention players get cut from a tournament. In tennis there is no tournament system like this. This result is a complete product of Format of this Blizzard Cup. The amount of money gained doesn't change, there is no official world ranking at stake, there is no team invite or tournament invite that is being gained or missed by winning or losing, this game was a free showmatch. Should Naniwa have probe rushed, no, even he said this. Should we blame him, no. Blame the tournament and its dumbass format. Pros don't throw games on showmatches. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:05 Rannasha wrote: Actually, he is playing to entertain us, because that is his source of income. No viewers means no sponsorships and stream-ticket-sales, which means no prize pools and player salaries. I don't blame Nani for not wanting to play that game (GOM is to blame here for having the game played in the first place), but the argument that he isn't playing to entertain us is flawed. This should say it all really. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Even if there is nothing on the line, you accept the invite for a tourny people pay to see your games the least you can do is play them. I hope some one can help Naniwa understand what a PRO means, it's more then just winning games. | ||
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:36 dafunk wrote: Stopped reading it. You dont know how far esport can go. And even that is not the question. Glad you're an useful person regarding this debate  You could give some arguments as well. Deal with it; videogames are mainstream in terms of playing them on an Xbox360 or Playstation but playing games for 10 hours a day will not become mainstream purely because it is not seen as socially acceptable and this won't change within a matter of years. Similar to the fact that you can ask yourself who would watch Starcraft 2 on television? The people who are interested in Starcraft 2 watch high quality livestreams (and a computer = multiple tabs, chat rooms, live debate et cetera) and the audience needs to be new which means that the actual casting needs to be extremely tuned down in terms of knowlegde which as a result scares away the actual Starcraft 2 fans who would like to watch a television broadcast. See the results in South-Korea; it is the most advanced form of eSports but still a small subculture that isn't mainstream in the slightest. When we see that Western society is far less open to these kind of things (and in South-Korea the economic situation played a role as well with the construction of a relatively large eSports network and lots of players) I doubt it is ever going to happen so it is a valid point to bring up. Don't get me wrong, I love eSports, but I'm also realistisc about the actual (expected future) size of this whole thing. Pretending to be bigger then you are only results in a negative atmosphere within the community and towards the actual players of the game. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
It is true that Naniwa does not play to entertain, he is a competitor and plays to win. That being said it is extremely unfair and downright wrong to say that he was not entertaining. While it may not be your ideal entertainment you need not look any further to see how much controversy/entertainment (as some would call it) it is. IMO, There are different types of players and each are entertaining in their own right depending on YOUR personality. The nice guys/in it for the fans: Sheth, White-ra, MC, etc.. The controversial/in it to win it: Idra, Naniwa, etc.. The a$$holes/win no matter what: Combatex, Deezer, etc.. The characters/trolls: Destiny, etc.. + many others that i am forgetting/too lazy to come up with a description | ||
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SoniStreet
Macedonia98 Posts
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:14 hmunkey wrote: Everyone already blamed Naniwa, so that's a moot point. And even then, he's only one player and he's only in the crosshairs because he was obvious about not caring. Players "throw" games all the time in situations like this, they just hide it. We need to address the stupid tourney format because that's what actually has a meaningful impact. That is a great point. The tournament format is pretty dumb if it forces players to play meaningless games. Hopefully they change it. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:14 Pandahats wrote: Its a sad day to be an E-Sports fan :-( A sad sad sad sad sad day I'm a sad Panda aw.. poor panda, I'll give you a hug. That Naniwa will not hurt you anymore! on a side note, according to snowbird's twitter (gomtv's admin), they have already decided to never invite Naniwa to another special tournament outside of the main GSL tournament due to the negative responses from the Korean viewers. So what I'm trying to say is... we should stop arguing over this because the verdict has been decided. | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:16 SoniStreet wrote: Naniwa is awesome, and its so true, that match was so meaningless... it's like watching a ladder game with nothing at stake so he saved the viewers some valuable time. He is a true hero of Esports and not afraid to take a stand against the bad system. or you know, the viewers who didn't want to watch could have just turned off the stream if their time was actually that valuable. but honestly, i read your post in a sarcastic tone and it made a lot more sense. | ||
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:55 dafunk wrote: Rafael Nadal was out of the tournament. Thats called group stage and theres group stage in every sport, every time, everywhere. Yet people arent throwing game away, they still play for the fun and to make it as enjoyable as possible, to show the fans something good. And also for themselves, because of the pride. Or to improve. Or to have a mental edge next time they meat. Or just to shut everyones mouth. Theres a million reason to fight for even in these kind of situations. And if you dont do it for you do it for the guys that are paying you. For people saying Naniwa is playing only for himself cause he dosnt have to play for us : this goes against every concept of professional sport. Theres professional sport because theres money. Theres money because theres sponsors. Theres sponsors because theres fans. etc etc etc So youre basically saying he owes it to us to play his best every time, even in a meaningless match? He said in the interview he was on tilt after going 0-3 so he wouldnt be able to perform his best. I guess you would be ok with him fooling everybody into thinking he cared just going through the motions so it looked good though, even if he was only able to put forth minimal effort. I dont want to be tricked into thinking people are being competitive when they arent. He knew he would more than likely put forth a sub par performance so he ended the game. He doesnt owe it to us to go robot on us, shut down all his emotions, and feign interest so the game can last another 6 minutes. | ||
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HTE
16 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:14 socommaster123 wrote: I almost felt like he"ducked" nestea. Didnt want to take an actual loss to Nestea since they had previous drama. So he decided since im not playing well Ill just give up vs nestea to not give him an ounce of pleasure in beating me. i agree with this. i think he was too scared to lose another game, especially one as hyped as this (even if it had no effect on the tourney results). The probe rush was as much a crutch as it was a tilt. | ||
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