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On December 14 2011 02:55 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:36 dafunk wrote:
People are reacting like this because its eSport and even on TL people dont consider it such a big deal.
Imagine a second if Rafael Nadal came into his last match at the Masters of London and just threw the game away intentionaly because "there was nothing to fight for".
Imagine for a second how people, press and sponsors would have react.
If you want eSport to go big, you have to act like a professional.
PS : What is pretty depressing is the attitude of you all that consider this not a big deal...
That means everything about how low you think about our SPORT. Hrm.. well first off, when was the last time you saw an aired tennis match for last place? So.. I highly doubt Nadal would have a televised match where the circumstances would be if he won he got 2nd to last, and if he lost, he got last. Considering the circumstances the game would never be aired and the crowds would have likely left or not really cared. Can you cite to me a tennis match that was aired with fervor and excitement for LAST place? Didn't think so.
It happen all the time. Last time was tennis masters in london like I said.
What if Plzen - Borisov isnt played in C1 because its meaningless ? Valence - Genk ? Every match of the spanish football ligue cause except Barcelone and Madrid, nobodys gonna win it ?
You are so...
Well, Starcraft 2 (or any other videogame) is never going to be comparable to a (real) billion-dollar sport like tennis or football (or soccer for US-people). It is, and always will be, a subculture. A small niche. Even in South-Korea Broodwar is a niche
Stopped reading it. You dont know how far esport can go. And even that is not the question.
Its a philosphical question, a moral question.
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On December 14 2011 02:56 Aristodemus wrote:
What a joke it is, the reaction is far far worse than the probe rush. He doesnt owe YOU anything.
Well, I paid $9.99 for my ticket.
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Even if the result of the game wasn't important at all naniwa can't justify by any mean to act like that.
These kind tournaments are a great opportunity for teamsponsors to be seen, people are expecting good/high level games, and there is no valable reason at all to act like this.
No stakes in this game ? Just play it, if you're not here for the challenge anymore do it for the show.
Naniwa just showed there a disgraceful mindset, disrespecting his opponent, viewers, tournament. And what did he won ? nothing, just 15min maybe. He's embarassing his team, and moreover himself in this interview.
I just can't believe all these people saying "uh, no big deal there", it's not the end of the world obviously, but come on, that's not the attitude we are expecting from any champion, whatever the game he plays.
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On December 14 2011 03:02 Psyqo wrote:
This is probably the biggest non-dramabomb to have dropped in awhile. Who cares if he probe rushes? He even makes a great point that there's no point in trying to win a normal game if there's nothing on the line.
nothing for him on the line but he's a PRO gamer... the reason why they exists because there are VIEWERS. Without viewers there is no pro gaming ... the least he can do is give us a proper game. There's actually a lot on the line for him. If he loses to Nestea, everyone is going to shit on him and say he got lucky and his strat don't work anymore and Nestea is better then him. By purposely throwing the game away, he is not giving nestea the chance for this
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lol and they get upset about this and not some of the other stuff...HILARIOUS
BTW when is it NOT Nestea's birthday? I think i heard that 3-5 times in the past year, wtf.
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On December 14 2011 02:52 two.watup wrote:
Naniwa isn't playing to entertain you. He's playing to win. If he can't win anymore, he isn't playing. There you go.
Actually, he is playing to entertain us, because that is his source of income. No viewers means no sponsorships and stream-ticket-sales, which means no prize pools and player salaries.
I don't blame Nani for not wanting to play that game (GOM is to blame here for having the game played in the first place), but the argument that he isn't playing to entertain us is flawed.
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His responses just show he's still incredibly immature.
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On December 14 2011 02:52 two.watup wrote:
American Football teams frequently sit their starters when they've clinched everything they can for the playoffs, or if they've been eliminated and don't want to hurt their expensive players when they have no possibility of winning.
Games between two players who have already lost shouldn't even be played.
Naniwa isn't playing to entertain you. He's playing to win. If he can't win anymore, he isn't playing. There you go.
Yes, you are right. Naniwa isn't playing to entertain me.
Though IMO the players exist for the fans. This seems too self-centered as a fan? But basically, if no one
support the players, why should they get into the ring?
IMO, Naniwa should play for all his fans. Of course, it's my opinion, neither you nor Naniwa needs to care about it.
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On December 14 2011 02:43 AllenDiese3 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:36 dafunk wrote:
People are reacting like this because its eSport and even on TL people dont consider it such a big deal.
Imagine a second if Rafael Nadal came into his last match at the Masters of London and just threw the game away intentionaly because "there was nothing to fight for".
Imagine for a second how people, press and sponsors would have react.
If you want eSport to go big, you have to act like a professional.
PS : What is pretty depressing is the attitude of you all that consider this not a big deal...
That means everything about how low you think about our SPORT. thank you ! +11111
You know why the last groupmatches at big chamionships ( soccer, basketball etc.) are played all at the same time, because the stuff you are complaining about happened in nearly every professional sport before. Just google "shame of gijon" for example...
For me it is more a shame, that a lot of the esports community have no idea about professional sport.
It's like naniwa pointed out, if he would have 4gated no one whould have complained, but he didn't want to waste our time.
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Naniwa, Don't worry bro we still love you. People need to chill out and I hope you don't get to much backlash for this.. In the end I still will tune in to all your games, and trust me its NOT because I'm looking for another boring good-mannered player.
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On December 14 2011 03:05 Prplppleatr wrote:
lol and they get upset about this and not some of the other stuff...HILARIOUS
Can you read korean, or do you only read the translated content english based websites? How would you even begin to know the content of Korean esports sites?
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On December 14 2011 03:04 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:56 Aristodemus wrote:
What a joke it is, the reaction is far far worse than the probe rush. He doesnt owe YOU anything. Well, I paid $9.99 for my ticket.
Didn't you pay 9.99 to watch meaningful games though? I mean if you care about games that has absolutely no meaning at all you could just as well watch a streamer that ladders for free instead of paying 9.99. Lots of pro vs pro games on the ladders on streams.
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Damn Naniwa Im sad you thew that game... BUT I STILL FUCKING LUV U <3
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gom just shouldn't of had them play the match. naniwa did nothing wrong here.
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Anyone comparing this to other sports is completely incorrect. Players in other professional sports are judged and paid on statistics, leadership and ability to win (among other things). For the 0 and 13 colts, none of the games left this season matter to them and barely matter to the teams they play. However the colts players and coaches will still try their absolute hardest because there is a substantial amount of money and job secruity on the line if the players play well and the coaches prove they can coach well.
In golf, the out of contention players get cut from a tournament. In tennis there is no tournament system like this. This result is a complete product of Format of this Blizzard Cup. The amount of money gained doesn't change, there is no official world ranking at stake, there is no team invite or tournament invite that is being gained or missed by winning or losing, this game was a free showmatch.
Should Naniwa have probe rushed, no, even he said this. Should we blame him, no. Blame the tournament and its dumbass format.
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relax man, the world is still here. Nani cannot break it even if he drone rushed every game.
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Oh wow, people really need to take their hands of the keyboard, put their dick back in their pants, pitchforks back in the shed and take a deep breath.
The epic proportions this has been blown up to makes me believe he went into the booth and physically assaulted NesTea. Atleast in that case, this shitstorm would have been somewhat understandable.
On the subject of professionalism, am I the only one who finds SC2MVPs twittermessage HILARIOUS in that aspect?
Just imagine if Jeff Carter got in trouble and Paul Homgren went onto twitter and posted something similar -- unthinkable.
Not to mention Captain Rock-Paper-Scissor Choya, seriously, I almost had a stroke reading that.
Pro- gamers and teams complaining about the lack of professionalism then making arguable twitterposts themselves. Hypocrisy be thy name.
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yeah, people will definitely stop watching naniwas games now. i cant imagine anyone tuning in to watch him play in code s after this
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What I want to know is if the probe rush worked?
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On December 14 2011 03:09 Wanderville wrote:
What I want to know is if the probe rush worked?
Obviously not  . With drones you MIGHT have a chance with superior micro (probably 0 chance in code s) but with probes there's just no way.
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