EPTGo ahead, try it.
So many whiners in TL as usual. It's no wonder why guys like Tyler don't take most of TL posters (I'd say shitposters) seriously, or rarely visit the forums at all.
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
Go ahead, try it. So many whiners in TL as usual. It's no wonder why guys like Tyler don't take most of TL posters (I'd say shitposters) seriously, or rarely visit the forums at all. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
Games between two players who have already lost shouldn't even be played. Naniwa isn't playing to entertain you. He's playing to win. If he can't win anymore, he isn't playing. There you go. | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:48 Coca Cola Classic wrote: They still field a team and do not hand the ball over to the opposing team. Neither did Naniwa... so what? | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:49 ICarrotU wrote: People blowing things out of proportion because it's Naniwa, again. It's always him, isn't it? | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:36 dafunk wrote: People are reacting like this because its eSport and even on TL people dont consider it such a big deal. Imagine a second if Rafael Nadal came into his last match at the Masters of London and just threw the game away intentionaly because "there was nothing to fight for". Imagine for a second how people, press and sponsors would have react. If you want eSport to go big, you have to act like a professional. PS : What is pretty depressing is the attitude of you all that consider this not a big deal... That means everything about how low you think about our SPORT. Hrm.. well first off, when was the last time you saw an aired tennis match for last place? So.. I highly doubt Nadal would have a televised match where the circumstances would be if he won he got 2nd to last, and if he lost, he got last. Considering the circumstances the game would never be aired and the crowds would have likely left or not really cared. Can you cite to me a tennis match that was aired with fervor and excitement for LAST place? Didn't think so. | ||
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dafunk
France521 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:46 Helios.Star wrote: I understand what youre saying, but my point is youre going to get the same crappy effort either way, just one way the fans are tricked into thinking he actually cares. I would rather he did what he did than try some proxy gate or 4 gate just so it doesnt look as bad. And that Rafael Nadal comparison is ridiculous, its nothing like that. Unless I'm mistaken, in the last match of a tennis tournament you are still able to win the entire tournament, but in naniwas position nothing he could have done that game would have made any difference in his tournament standing. Bad analogy. Rafael Nadal was out of the tournament. Thats called group stage and theres group stage in every sport, every time, everywhere. Yet people arent throwing game away, they still play for the fun and to make it as enjoyable as possible, to show the fans something good. And also for themselves, because of the pride. Or to improve. Or to have a mental edge next time they meat. Or just to shut everyones mouth. Theres a million reason to fight for even in these kind of situations. And if you dont do it for you do it for the guys that are paying you. For people saying Naniwa is playing only for himself cause he dosnt have to play for us : this goes against every concept of professional sport. Theres professional sport because theres money. Theres money because theres sponsors. Theres sponsors because theres fans. etc etc etc | ||
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vanTuni
389 Posts
So i think it was a perfectly professional behaviour. Even more than boring ppl off with a lame game nobody cares about. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything how he could say this? He doesn't know what is respect to the comminuty, game, tourney and everybody involved. What if everybody starts to behave in such a way? Castors could say: OK, this game is meaningless, we will not cast it... Stephano is a spoiled kid and I didn't liked him before, after Cloud thing I would punish him with few thousands of dollars. So I would do it to Nani too. If they have no respect to anyone maybe the would have to their wallets. I hope players will have contracts of some kind so these thing would never happen again - without proper punishment. | ||
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canikizu
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Apolex
Canada103 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:52 two.watup wrote: American Football teams frequently sit their starters when they've clinched everything they can for the playoffs, or if they've been eliminated and don't want to hurt their expensive players when they have no possibility of winning. Games between two players who have already lost shouldn't even be played. Naniwa isn't playing to entertain you. He's playing to win. If he can't win anymore, he isn't playing. There you go. Your implying that if he plays a standard game it's going to hurt him in the long run... is he going to get injured playing one more serious game vs Nestea? To me, he's talked so much shit to nestea, told him to relax pre-match, said how he wasn't much of a opponent cuz he beat him twice..... now he's not giving Nestea a proper matchup to face him in. This sounds like a sore loser to me. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:56 Aristodemus wrote: What a joke it is, the reaction is far far worse than the probe rush. He doesnt owe YOU anything. in fact, he does. | ||
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hotwings
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
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Psyqo
United States401 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:44 Tofugrinder wrote: yep basically this. tell a random person who hasn't heard of esports or starcraft2 to watch the cup and tell them that this cup is supposed to decide who is the best player in the world. Now watch his reaction when one of the 8 best players in the world decides to just dont give a fuck about a match. In any other sport people would still fight to make the outcome a little bit better. Well, Starcraft 2 (or any other videogame) is never going to be comparable to a (real) billion-dollar sport like tennis or football (or soccer for US-people). It is, and always will be, a subculture. A small niche. Even in South-Korea Broodwar is a niche, and not a 'national sport', even though many people seem to think it is. In our Western culture, Starcraft 2 will never be broadcasted on television (and who would watch it eitherway when you've high quality live streams), being talked about constantly on the radio or within mainstream culture(s). However, at the moment communities are pretending that Starcraft 2 is on the edge of breaking into mainstream culture they are not only wrong, they also become a negative factor within the community. Because suddenly, 'everything needs to be prossional' and people are creating insanely high moral standards and rules for the players they support and for the scene in general. Suddenly, every player (who is a person who plays videogames 10 hours a day in the first place) needs to be as mannered as possible and think about the community in the first place. However, you play to win tournaments and earn money. Maybe 1% or even less of the progamers actually get paid a certain amount that makes all their practice worthwhile so it is logical you get stressed or frustrated when you can't reach your goals. Community always comes to the second place, with the exception of people like Boxer who play because of their fans and not their (nonexistant) big achievements. What Naniwa did was logical from his point of view. The game didn't matter at all, only for the community which comes second place, that's it. It was meaningless, both for Nestea and Naniwa and there's no way to say otherwise. The stupid thing however, and this has been addressed earlier before, it that no ones cares about what Naniwa did but only how he did it. Why pretending to be interesting by doing a half-decent 4 Gate (on purpose) or a cannon-rush? The outcome is the same and it is up to GOM to create a format that removes the possibility of such meaningless games. Many other people would have done the same and actually did so in the fast (i.a. Stephano). So, in the first place we should see Starcraft 2 as a nice sub-culture and not a real sport, because that will only lead to flawed logics and ideas. It's a videogame played in a competitive way, not a football match or upper-level matchfixing or a huge blow to the community. Just because people want Starcraft 2 to be important, they want to exaggerate every thing that happens even though it completely useless. Of course, Koreans are mad, but it is just their own culture of seeing a lot of things very serious, but it is still very interesting to see their much less agressive reaction towards CoCa, or Zenio's gesture towards IdrA during the GSL, then a foreign player refusing to play a meaningless match in a serieus way. Also completely stupid to use Nestea's birthday as an argument. Nestea could've played better himself in the first place, and it is his own choice to practise on his birthday. In the end, everyone overreacts and makes a fuss about it, while no one who is actually important to the community is going to care for more than a short amount of time. In fact, several progamers (including Tyler and IdrA) have already been supporting of Naniwa in the first place. Also, it would be bad to force the scene into a Broodwar 2 with players devoid of emotion playing games without seemingly caring. Emotion and personality are great, hence the reason why people love IdrA much more then Ret despite their similar skill and race they play. | ||
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Cereb
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