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leBIGcrab
Profile Joined February 2011
France313 Posts
December 13 2011 22:08 GMT
#1201
Much noise for nothing imo...

Who cares if he didn't want to play.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 13 2011 22:08 GMT
#1202
On December 14 2011 07:05 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 06:58 zhurai wrote:
On December 14 2011 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
The one good thing that comes out of the Overreaction Olympics is that this will bring more attention, viewers and prestige to anyone of Naniwas future matches.

Naniwa building up Esports!

nope, I don't think I'm ever going to watch naniwa's games unless against a progamer I think I can learn from (aka: how that progamer's build owned naniwa so I can implement it into my own XvP games)

^_________^


That's a lie.
You're going to watch everyone, and you are going to root for his opponent SO SO hard.

If you remember, that's exactly how Idra gained his popularity. People just forget things like that when something new happens.


Lol.


On December 14 2011 07:07 Russano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 07:05 zhurai wrote:
On December 14 2011 07:05 Russano wrote:
On December 14 2011 07:01 zhurai wrote:


unless you have the source of GOM saying that Naniwa told GOM he wouldn't try and he totally doesn't want to play, and GOM said "you still have to play" then your example really is out of context -_-



Yeah it is a bit. THey may also told him that if he forfeited there would be a penalty of some sort, so this was his way of forfeiting without actually forfeiting.

Yeah. where's your source.


I don't have one, this is what happens when you're forced to make conclusions and assumptions with missing information. There's no source that says Naniwa knew this would be considered massively disrespectful to koreans and did it anyways, yet many people are working under that assumption.


so basically you put words into GOM's mouth when you don't know if they actually said anything 100%? K.
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Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
December 13 2011 22:10 GMT
#1203
We all know how Koreans act about ESPORTS. Nani was too stupid to do such thing. He will prolly be punished by GOM
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Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
December 13 2011 22:10 GMT
#1204
On December 14 2011 07:06 etrensce wrote:
You play in Korea, you play by their rules. You live up to their standards and follow their culture. That is just how it is.


Yeah and starcraft is a game and only the result counts, so culture does not play a role in here. There is no rule that prohibits performing strategies with low win percentages, so your argument is invalid.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
December 13 2011 22:11 GMT
#1205
On December 14 2011 07:08 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 07:05 TheBanana wrote:
On December 14 2011 06:58 zhurai wrote:
On December 14 2011 06:55 TheBanana wrote:
The one good thing that comes out of the Overreaction Olympics is that this will bring more attention, viewers and prestige to anyone of Naniwas future matches.

Naniwa building up Esports!

nope, I don't think I'm ever going to watch naniwa's games unless against a progamer I think I can learn from (aka: how that progamer's build owned naniwa so I can implement it into my own XvP games)

^_________^


That's a lie.
You're going to watch everyone, and you are going to root for his opponent SO SO hard.

If you remember, that's exactly how Idra gained his popularity. People just forget things like that when something new happens.


Lol.


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 07:07 Russano wrote:
On December 14 2011 07:05 zhurai wrote:
On December 14 2011 07:05 Russano wrote:
On December 14 2011 07:01 zhurai wrote:


unless you have the source of GOM saying that Naniwa told GOM he wouldn't try and he totally doesn't want to play, and GOM said "you still have to play" then your example really is out of context -_-



Yeah it is a bit. THey may also told him that if he forfeited there would be a penalty of some sort, so this was his way of forfeiting without actually forfeiting.

Yeah. where's your source.


I don't have one, this is what happens when you're forced to make conclusions and assumptions with missing information. There's no source that says Naniwa knew this would be considered massively disrespectful to koreans and did it anyways, yet many people are working under that assumption.


so basically you put words into GOM's mouth when you don't know if they actually said anything 100%? K.


like I said, people made tons of assumptions here. Like saying he knew it would be disrespectful, which was pulled 100 percent out of their ass based on what they thought, just like I did. That's all anyone is doing here.
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
December 13 2011 22:12 GMT
#1206
I don't think they should've made the players play a match that didnt mean anything. They were both going to be eliminated. There was no cash prize or points to be gained from this match.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 13 2011 22:13 GMT
#1207
10$ for just a week-long tournament was quite expensive,
I had hoped that I would get a rematch of Nestea vs Nani from MLG for that... <.<
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
December 13 2011 22:14 GMT
#1208
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face.
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 22:17:12
December 13 2011 22:16 GMT
#1209
On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face.


He didn't overreact, he wanted it over with quickly, worker rushed, and then moved on. Overreacting would of been one of those bitch fits he normally pulls. He didnt' think it was a big deal, it just so happens he was wrong.
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
December 13 2011 22:16 GMT
#1210
Did all you realize he GET PAID before the games for playing them?

If you understand it, but anyways want to make shitty arguments... ok... do whatever you want, but at least understand the facts of all this drama
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An-Epic-Sanji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden62 Posts
December 13 2011 22:17 GMT
#1211
On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face.


Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish
You have watched Daily #100 right?
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
December 13 2011 22:18 GMT
#1212
On December 14 2011 07:16 Sogetsu wrote:
Did all you realize he GET PAID before the games for playing them?

If you understand it, but anyways want to make shitty arguments... ok... do whatever you want, but at least understand the facts of all this drama


He did play, the fact that one of his games happened to be incredibly shitty doesn't change that.
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 13 2011 22:18 GMT
#1213
On December 14 2011 06:53 The_LiNk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 06:52 Longshank wrote:
I just hope there will be consequences from the Korean side or Naniwa will never learn. If they make clear they do not accept his stunts(none of them) he's no other choice than to grow up or go home.


Consequence will likely force him to go home, which I don't mind at all.



You people forget that he didnt break a SINGLE rule from GOMTV, why would they send him home?
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
December 13 2011 22:19 GMT
#1214
On December 14 2011 07:18 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 06:53 The_LiNk wrote:
On December 14 2011 06:52 Longshank wrote:
I just hope there will be consequences from the Korean side or Naniwa will never learn. If they make clear they do not accept his stunts(none of them) he's no other choice than to grow up or go home.


Consequence will likely force him to go home, which I don't mind at all.



You people forget that he didnt break a SINGLE rule from GOMTV, why would they send him home?


he's assuming fallout from gom, his team, or startale would require him to go back home.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
December 13 2011 22:19 GMT
#1215
I don't really understand those that came to Naniwa's defence.

A progame team pays a player in exchange for him working to improve their image, through result or otherwise. Seeing as Quantic Gaming were hyping the match up minutes before game start, and having the match ending this way, you can't really say that they didnt take a hit in the face.

I feel that many people are underestimating what being a "professional" means. Maybe a good look at the SC:BW scene would help you see things better.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
December 13 2011 22:19 GMT
#1216
On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face.


Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish

It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't?
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
December 13 2011 22:20 GMT
#1217
On December 14 2011 07:18 Russano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 07:16 Sogetsu wrote:
Did all you realize he GET PAID before the games for playing them?

If you understand it, but anyways want to make shitty arguments... ok... do whatever you want, but at least understand the facts of all this drama


He did play, the fact that one of his games happened to be incredibly shitty doesn't change that.


What? You can't be serious... is that "playing" a game for what you get paid previously?

If it is that, then they should stop paying him lol
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Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 22:23:38
December 13 2011 22:20 GMT
#1218
On December 13 2011 23:07 Baum wrote:
Awful article. I am disgusted by the Korean community and its hypocritical moralistic attitude. I lost a lot of respect for MVP and Choya for their tweets as well. Nanis decision was plain stupid but these reactions are even worse.


You're kidding, right? They're spending a huge amount of time, money, and effort to make the GSL as professional as possible and Naniwa basically spit in their face and you're disappointed in THEM? That's ridiculous.

And for everyone saying "there was no rule against this!" Are you guys serious? There shouldn't HAVE to be a rule against something like this, you should be able to use your brain and figure out that it's a terrible idea.

On December 14 2011 03:00 dsousa wrote:
I LOL'd at the "Naniwa does not have qualifications to be a pro gamer".

Naniwa must scare the crap out of Korean society, they are weak to BM. The reaction he provoked is priceless.



No, he doesn't scare them in the slightest. He probably disgusts them like he disgusts half of the foreign community. There is a difference between BM (Idra, FBH, etc. that all have a good number of Korean fans) and just being a prick.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
December 13 2011 22:20 GMT
#1219
Well i was entertained. But this is leaning towards the comedic value side more than the entertained by the proffessional sport side. Ah well as long as naniwa brings in the results!
Roscoe.964
Profile Joined March 2011
United States22 Posts
December 13 2011 22:20 GMT
#1220
Anyone know where I can watch the vod of this game?
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