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this reminds of the time when ronaldo's shot was a 100% sure goal but nani headed the ball right before it went in (stealing goal) and ended up becoming offside.
against the rules? no but you'll get shit for it from fans.
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On December 14 2011 07:20 Sogetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:18 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 07:16 Sogetsu wrote:
Did all you realize he GET PAID before the games for playing them?
If you understand it, but anyways want to make shitty arguments... ok... do whatever you want, but at least understand the facts of all this drama He did play, the fact that one of his games happened to be incredibly shitty doesn't change that. What? You can't be serious... is that "playing" a game for what you get paid previously? If it is that, then they should stop paying him lol
That's all that's required from him and he shouldn't be penalized for it. HOwever if they have a choice in the future, they will be much less inclined to invite him to any sort of invitational.
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On December 14 2011 01:04 Alacast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...NaNiwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything. No one is obligated to do anything: eat, breathe, sleep. You could ignore all that shit, if you're badass enough right? It's not like NaNiwa had to get invited to participate in the tourney/play on a team/practice in a house/get paid sponsorships right? He just goes and bangs on peoples' doors long and hard enough until they give him What he wants? Maybe some people don't like being blatantly disrespected by selfish and arrogant people who "don't give a fuck," and will do everything in their power to stop said "badasses" in their tracks when and wherever possible. If you piss enough important people off, you may just find yourself out of a job. Welcome to the world.
Yes, we are most of the time emotionally and instinctively obligated to eat, breathe, and sleep, just as you were emotionally obligated to make this post. Nice job on dropping the cold hard common sense of the world. What NaNiwa did, though, was not refusing to eat, breathe, or sleep, and these don't have much to do with arrogant people who don't give a fuck.
NaNiwa's actions have nothing to do with being a badass. You have an idea of what this word means that is most likely different from others' idea of the word, and then you take that and run with it and say this broad, emotionally charged bullshit in your second paragraph that has no real relevance to the situation. Most likely he will probably be just fine and learn from this.
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On December 14 2011 07:00 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:24 Insane wrote:On December 14 2011 06:14 Utinni wrote:On December 14 2011 06:11 Insane wrote:
I don't really see how this is any worse than the fact that lots of players don't show up for their MLG placement matches after they're eliminated (like the matches that determine whether you got 16th or 17th for example - they're already out of the tournament at that point). No one throws a shitfit over that to my knowledge.
I think a lot of "esports fans" are fucking crazy maniacs, who view this game as some sort of "honorable contest" with precise codes of honor and conduct. Shit, it's a game. I enjoy watching it, and the fact that people can make a living off it (be it via playing, streaming, coaching, whatever) is awesome bananas. But it's still a game; it's not some samurai duel.
Controversy is awesome, and there's pretty much no one in SC2 right now who I think is a cooler contestant than Naniwa - he says what he means, and he cares about winning over manner/portrayal. Despite people talking about how he's not a professional, not properly competing, etc., I think he's the purest competitor there is right now.
Tell that to all the Koreans in Cod S,A,B who hate him right now for throwing the game and disrespecting GSL and the fans at the game. I would if I spoke Korean, but I don't speak it and I doubt anyone cares enough about either that comment or my opinion to translate it for them... You're nuts if you think that was disrespecting "GSL and the fans of the game". It was a game that didn't count for anything, and he didn't want to play it. He did not say "Fuck you", he did not even leave without "gg"ing. He just picked a bad strategy and lost with it in a quick game. On December 14 2011 06:16 Tula wrote:On December 14 2011 06:11 Insane wrote:
I don't really see how this is any worse than the fact that lots of players don't show up for their MLG placement matches after they're eliminated (like the matches that determine whether you got 16th or 17th for example - they're already out of the tournament at that point). No one throws a shitfit over that to my knowledge.
I think a lot of "esports fans" are fucking crazy maniacs, who view this game as some sort of "honorable contest" with precise codes of honor and conduct. Shit, it's a game. I enjoy watching it, and the fact that people can make a living off it (be it via playing, streaming, coaching, whatever) is awesome bananas. But it's still a game; it's not some samurai duel.
Controversy is awesome, and there's pretty much no one in SC2 right now who I think is a cooler contestant than Naniwa - he says what he means, and he cares about winning over manner/portrayal. Despite people talking about how he's not a professional, not properly competing, etc., I think he's the purest competitor there is right now.
If we have to explain the difference about a run of the mill MLG (note providence as in the national final is different) and the BLIZZARD CUP, which is supposed to be the most prestigous tournament of the year (wether it truly is or not is another discussion, but that is what we are expecting from the name) where only the best of the best are competing against each other, then this discussion makes little sense. No, please do explain it. "Run of the mill MLG" has code S korean players participating. It has hundreds of participants, with tens (hundreds?) of thousands of viewers for the event itself (not for those games specifically I guess). A tournament is a tournament. The fact that there are only good players in it doesn't mean you should be held to a different standard of behavior. Dude, I don't speak Korean either, I am just telling you what I see translated on the other 2 or 3 threads about this incident. Take a second and read them. They aren't words of joy and happiness, that's for sure. Just telling you how it is. Sorry if you wanna deny the fact they are upset.
I have no idea how you read my post and somehow concluded that I thought Koreans weren't upset by the event. Read my post again. I freely admit Koreans are upset by it (as are a lot of non-Koreans apparently), I just think the majority of folks reacting to it are hypocritical and histrionic.
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On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't?
One of my points being I seriously doubt he'd get this big of a backlash for it.
and it's not naniwas job to make every single game you watch of him as enjoyable as possible.
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On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't?
Did he know?
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On December 14 2011 07:25 Russano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? One of my points being I seriously doubt he'd get this big of a backlash for it. and it's not naniwas job to make every single game you watch of him as enjoyable as possible.
On December 14 2011 07:26 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? Did he know?
Given what has happened with Savior in the past and more recently Slayers.Coca, how is this such an unbelievable response?
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because those games mattered to tournaments in progress, and involved both parties. This game had absolutely no consequence whatsoever, barring of course the pissing off of many people.
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I find it abit disrespectful, but only because of the fact that Nestea kept practicing for a meaningless game on his birthday, however I think it's blown way out of proportion.
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On December 14 2011 07:28 Loki57 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:25 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? One of my points being I seriously doubt he'd get this big of a backlash for it. and it's not naniwas job to make every single game you watch of him as enjoyable as possible. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:26 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? Did he know? Given what has happened with Savior in the past and more recently Slayers.Coca, how is this such an unbelievable response?
Well I didnt know what happend to Savior or Coca.. so it was just a reasonable question to ask. Anyway.. ye.. this is how it is.. but its still childish that ppl are making such a big deal out of it
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On December 14 2011 07:29 Makjin wrote:
I find it abit disrespectful, but only because of the fact that Nestea kept practicing for a meaningless game on his birthday, however I think it's blown way out of proportion.
This is a totally appropriate reaction to this. The end result of this SHOULD of been, Almost everyone likes nani a bit less, very few like him a bit more, and every body moves on.
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On December 14 2011 07:30 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:28 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:25 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? One of my points being I seriously doubt he'd get this big of a backlash for it. and it's not naniwas job to make every single game you watch of him as enjoyable as possible. On December 14 2011 07:26 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? Did he know? Given what has happened with Savior in the past and more recently Slayers.Coca, how is this such an unbelievable response? Well I didnt know what happend to Savior or Coca.. so it was just a reasonable question to ask. Anyway.. ye.. this is how it is.. but its still childish that ppl are making such a big deal out of it
savior got banned from kespa tournaments
GOM also said he's banned from their tournaments.
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On December 14 2011 07:26 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:19 Loki57 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:17 An-Epic-Sanji wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 Loki57 wrote:
People are saying that the koreans overreacted because it was a meaningless match, but Naniwa was the one that overreacted by making such a big deal out of having to play another game. Why not just play another match of the game you love against an opponent that people think very highly of and just try to make a good game out of it? Instead Naniwa was very childish (as he has tended to show in the past) and now this has exploded in his face. Its 1 single game.. i dont understand why ppl make such a big deal out of this. Yea.. sure they paid money.. but they got to see other games.. so if one game doesnt meet their expectations.. why get so upset.. i rly think those ppl are the ones that are being childish It's just the way it works, brah. Professional sports teams still play games after they know they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why not just man up and play the game when you know there's going to be this big of a backlash if you don't? Did he know?
You dont need to be a genious to know how serious and professional Koreans are about eSports.
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Yeah, but that was a match fixing + betting massive scandal, this and even teh coca thing are quite a bit different. Plus that Savior thing seems to have implanted a deep stigma of anything even related to match fixing in the Korean E-sports scene.
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On December 14 2011 07:33 Russano wrote:
Yeah, but that was a match fixing + betting massive scandal, this and even teh coca thing are quite a bit different. Plus that Savior thing seems to have implanted a deep stigma of anything even related to match fixing in the Korean E-sports scene.
Yeah I'm just telling him what _happened_ to savior, that post had nothing to do with naniwa.
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He should be banned like Coca. Terrible player with a terrible attitude. And ban me for this if you want but I'm a paying GSL customer and this kid is a fcking joke.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Yeah I figured, I was elaborating a bit and pointing out how they are different.
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On December 14 2011 07:34 laforet_jp wrote:
He should be banned like Coca. Terrible player with a terrible attitude. And ban me for this if you want but I'm a paying GSL customer and this kid is a fcking joke.
You know if you hadn't mentioned that ban thing you probaly wouldn't of been lol.
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People saying 'well this game didn't matter', as if Naniwa wouldn't have done the same if Nestea was 2-1 at that point or whatever, lol.
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On December 14 2011 07:33 Russano wrote:
Plus that Savior thing seems to have implanted a deep stigma of anything even related to match fixing in the Korean E-sports scene.
I don't disagree with you there, but that's all the more reason for Naniwa to not do something like this.
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