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On December 13 2011 08:07 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:05 fourColo wrote:On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:
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Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan. Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well. Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out) By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments  They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Inca's GSL run was very much luck based. His PvP ratio is over 80% and PvT just over 50%, but his PvZ is 37%. He didn't play any zergs until Nestea in the finals and got stomped hard. Stephano played the 3 races at IPL so its irrevalant to says stephano had a lucky path
Thank you. That's exactly the point I was getting at.
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On December 13 2011 08:06 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:56 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 07:51 Crushinator wrote:
The way I see it IdrA has amazing ZvT past the early game, very solid and truly world class, probably better than Stephano. But that is the only matchup he is exceptional in. He has shown how great he can be at MLG. His ZvZ and ZvP are not nearly as good in my eyes, and one world class matchup does not make a world class player. Adding to this the fact that IdrA is mentally unstable and often defeats himself. Thats why I feel Stephano is the more well rounded and probably overall better foreign Zerg right now.
It is possible to give your opinion on this matter without discrediting either player's achievements, Idras zvz is bad? I guess you chose not to watch his series vs nestea at the last MLG, since stephano wasn't part of it? I guess you conveniently didn't watch how his only zvz loss there was to leenock who stomped thru the entire tournament? Hmm, I suppose stephanno has better zvz though since you said so. Pretty sure JP said Idra studied every single available replay of Nestea's ZvZ so obviously it was gonna look really close.
I don't remember ever hearing that, but I suppose it's possible. Either way I remember tastosis both saying "Idra's mechanics here are better than nesteas, nestea is just making better decisions."
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On December 13 2011 08:08 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:07 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 13 2011 08:05 fourColo wrote:On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:
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Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan. Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well. Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out) By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Inca's GSL run was very much luck based. His PvP ratio is over 80% and PvT just over 50%, but his PvZ is 37%. He didn't play any zergs until Nestea in the finals and got stomped hard. Stephano played the 3 races at IPL so its irrevalant to says stephano had a lucky path Read the thread please, BlazeFury01 was asking for an example of someone "luck"ing their way to a final.
Stephano played all 3 races. I really should have been more specific and what I ment by luck. My fault.
I ment luck in terms of skill, not luck as in the bracket set up.
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On December 13 2011 08:07 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:04 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 13 2011 07:58 fourColo wrote:
Nerve issues are kind of a moot point. It's as if a player has an "ideal" skill level that they just can't achieve in live tournaments because of nerves. Practice games don't count for shit, no one cares if you can beat MVP ten games out of ten behind closed doors if you can't take a map off him live. Managing mental state is part of SC2 skill and if you can't manage it you're not a top player. [troll]So Idra is not a top player because he loose frequently his mental state and has lost vs Capoch or something at WCG ?[/troll] I would argue that his predictable style loses him more tournaments than his mental state.
I wouldn't say so, nothing wrong with playing the same style. I point you to the repeated times that Idra has left games he looked likely to win; important games too.
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I mean it's possible for players to get lucky on their way to the final, but I don't think that's the case with IPL 3. However, winning one major tournament has somehow blasted expectations out of proportion. It's impressive and he's a really good player but there are also a lot of other really good players in the world and it's very unfair to them to assume Stephano is the bonjwa of SC2 because he won a single tournament in a dominating fashion.
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On December 13 2011 08:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:07 fourColo wrote:On December 13 2011 08:04 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 13 2011 07:58 fourColo wrote:
Nerve issues are kind of a moot point. It's as if a player has an "ideal" skill level that they just can't achieve in live tournaments because of nerves. Practice games don't count for shit, no one cares if you can beat MVP ten games out of ten behind closed doors if you can't take a map off him live. Managing mental state is part of SC2 skill and if you can't manage it you're not a top player. [troll]So Idra is not a top player because he loose frequently his mental state and has lost vs Capoch or something at WCG ?[/troll] I would argue that his predictable style loses him more tournaments than his mental state. I wouldn't say so, nothing wrong with playing the same style. I point you to the repeated times that Idra has left games he looked likely to win; important games too.
Having a single strong style is fine and wins tournaments. It also has an inherent weakness, such as getting 3-0'd by your teammate, Puma, who himself stated that he just built around Idra's style.
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On December 13 2011 08:11 fourColo wrote:
I mean it's possible for players to get lucky on their way to the final, but I don't think that's the case with IPL 3. However, winning one major tournament has somehow blasted expectations out of proportion. It's impressive and he's a really good player but there are also a lot of other really good players in the world and it's very unfair to them to assume Stephano is the bonjwa of SC2 because he won a single tournament in a dominating fashion.
Agreed. You can't say somebody is bonjwa already, especially when flash still plays brood war
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On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:On December 13 2011 05:48 FlyingDike wrote:
I need to make a "Why I Think Stephano is Trash" thread. He sucked at blizzard cup, and this thread should be closed. It's no longer debatable whether stephano is good -- he's not. Now let's move on. Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate. Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan. Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well. Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out) By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Also, you just admitted that you "HEARD" luckys ZvZ was bad without doing any research to verify if it was true. People can say Idra is the worst ZvT in the world, does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't. So, you really look like an idiot saying the stupid things you did in your previous post. Nobody is twisting your words either. I pointed out individual quotes on post and questioned them with "evidence" backing my argument. You however, have no evidence. Also, nobody was even talking about anything being "legendary" so why did you bring that up? And keep in mind, NOBODY expected a foreigner to win IPL especially Stephano (at that time). So, give credit where credit is due.
''So, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous.'' This is what I responded to, when I asked you to stop twisting my words. Please, you said you pointed out individual quotes. Where do I say Stephano's win was not legit?
Yes, I ''HEARD'' Lucky's ZvZ was bad. You corrected me, and I accepted it. Stop fucking herp derping on that. I exagerrated with the ''legendary'' That's waht people do.
There is nothing special about beating Koreans, whose skill level is that of a low Code A player. Whether you are Korean or not doesn't matter. If he actually defeated some Code S level opponents, or some top Code A, then I would glady give credit(Read more credit than I already give him, cus I have already stated it was not bad AT ALL)
Also, why would you bring up that Lucky was in the finals earlier? Yes, he deserved it, he defeated MMA! in ZvT -.-' Another match up. But it was not Lucky we were talking about, it was Stephano.
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On December 13 2011 07:52 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:43 Olinimm wrote:On December 13 2011 07:40 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 13 2011 07:37 1Eris1 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:33 Seeker wrote:
After watching Stephano's performance in Blizzard Cup, I am fully convinced that he is Code S material. He went 2-2 against top Code S players. Showing that he indeed does have what it takes to be at the top.
But what I am wondering is, how far can he make it? He needs to play players that have been consistent in Code S like MVP, NesTea, MMA, etc. etc. to truly evaluate his skills. AND NOT A FREAKING BO1 EITHER!! Just a small correction, he went 1-2 vs Code S players. Hero is barely mid level Code A if anything hes a caliber code S, it would be silly to says hes not. you cant win vs sen 4-0 like this. asd, yu gi oh and violet are code s players for you ? (and its not the fact that stephano beat HerO or not) No he's not. His play in Code A and Blizzard Cup prove that. The second half of your sentence is incomprehensible though so yeah not sure you're saying. People can have bad draw's or nerve issues until they get past them, it doesn't mean they don't belong there. Look at Leenock he was a code A mainstay for so long, and yet as soon as he makes code S he makes it to the finals, the skill level between these players is much closer then you think. If you watch HerO on his stream he is much better then he shows a lot of the time, he just has major nerve issues.
I don't buy it, I think this is simply his skill level and all his results so far reflect that. He's good enough to perform well at foreign tournaments, but in Korea he's an average Code A level nerves or not. Obviously he does have great potential though.
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On December 13 2011 08:13 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:On December 13 2011 06:13 The KY wrote:
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Loses a game each to MVP and MC; terrible beyond debate.
Flawless logic. Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan. Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well. Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out) By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Also, you just admitted that you "HEARD" luckys ZvZ was bad without doing any research to verify if it was true. People can say Idra is the worst ZvT in the world, does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't. So, you really look like an idiot saying the stupid things you did in your previous post. Nobody is twisting your words either. I pointed out individual quotes on post and questioned them with "evidence" backing my argument. You however, have no evidence. Also, nobody was even talking about anything being "legendary" so why did you bring that up? And keep in mind, NOBODY expected a foreigner to win IPL especially Stephano (at that time). So, give credit where credit is due. ''So, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous.'' This is what I responded to, when I asked you to stop twisting my words. Please, you said you pointed out individual quotes. Where do I say Stephano's win was not legit? Yes, I ''HEARD'' Lucky's ZvZ was bad. You corrected me, and I accepted it. Stop fucking herp derping on that. I exagerrated with the ''legendary'' That's waht people do. There is nothing special about beating Koreans, whose skill level is that of a low Code A player. Whether you are Korean or not doesn't matter. If he actually defeated some Code S level opponents, or some top Code A, then I would glady give credit(Read more credit than I already give him, cus I have already stated it was not bad AT ALL) Also, why would you bring up that Lucky was in the finals earlier? Yes, he deserved it, he defeated MMA! in ZvT -.-' Another match up. But it was not Lucky we were talking about, it was Stephano.
I brought up lucky because you asked "who did stephano play in a lan that was legit". Stephano has beaten Code S players. DRG is no easy opponent
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On December 13 2011 08:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:13 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:15 hunts wrote:
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Idra has taken games off both and a series off MC while stephano hasn't, and people still try to call stephano better than idra. Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan. Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well. Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out) By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Also, you just admitted that you "HEARD" luckys ZvZ was bad without doing any research to verify if it was true. People can say Idra is the worst ZvT in the world, does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't. So, you really look like an idiot saying the stupid things you did in your previous post. Nobody is twisting your words either. I pointed out individual quotes on post and questioned them with "evidence" backing my argument. You however, have no evidence. Also, nobody was even talking about anything being "legendary" so why did you bring that up? And keep in mind, NOBODY expected a foreigner to win IPL especially Stephano (at that time). So, give credit where credit is due. ''So, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous.'' This is what I responded to, when I asked you to stop twisting my words. Please, you said you pointed out individual quotes. Where do I say Stephano's win was not legit? Yes, I ''HEARD'' Lucky's ZvZ was bad. You corrected me, and I accepted it. Stop fucking herp derping on that. I exagerrated with the ''legendary'' That's waht people do. There is nothing special about beating Koreans, whose skill level is that of a low Code A player. Whether you are Korean or not doesn't matter. If he actually defeated some Code S level opponents, or some top Code A, then I would glady give credit(Read more credit than I already give him, cus I have already stated it was not bad AT ALL) Also, why would you bring up that Lucky was in the finals earlier? Yes, he deserved it, he defeated MMA! in ZvT -.-' Another match up. But it was not Lucky we were talking about, it was Stephano. I brought up lucky because you asked "who did stephano play in a lan that was legit". Stephano has beaten Code S players. DRG is no easy opponent
Those stats with Lucky. What opponents were those against? Code A players?
We are talking about IPL3, not BlizzCup.
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Aocowns you need to shut the f**** up. stephano is the most successful foreigner and that's a fact, period.
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On December 13 2011 08:25 kratos-23 wrote:
Aocowns you need to shut the f**** up. stephano is the most successful foreigner and that's a fact, period.
He's made the most recorded tournament winnings but Huk probably makes more money than him with EG.
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On December 13 2011 08:25 kratos-23 wrote:
Aocowns you need to shut the f**** up. stephano is the most successful foreigner and that's a fact, period.
No, it's not a fact -.-' He is certainly doing fucking amazing, but did you forget Naniwa and Huk? It's impossible to say who is the absolute best foreigner. One day, it is Naniwa. The next is an Idra or a Stephano. They all have varying strenghts and performances
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On December 13 2011 08:25 kratos-23 wrote:
Aocowns you need to shut the f**** up. stephano is the most successful foreigner and that's a fact, period.
Such flawless logic you have there. Didn't realize IPL3, IPL4 UK Qual and ESWC trumped Two MLGs, a Dreamhack, Homestory, achieveing Code S and getting a Ro.8 in Code S
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On December 13 2011 08:20 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 08:13 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 Zath.erin wrote:
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Stephano has won over double what Idra did since release in a 4 month period when he started playing seriously, not only did he win twice Idra's total earnings but he did so beating tougher opponents. I'm not one to base results or a players skill purely off who they've beaten but if you want to go by that Stephano is likely ahead of any foreigner. I'm not even a big Stephano fan but go watch his stream and then watch any other foreigners in comparison and the difference will be pretty glaring. Sure he may be a little overhyped, but even last night he beat DRG and HerO, and if he hadn't for whatever reason done a dumb all in vs MC i'm possitive he would have beaten him. Then it would have been Stephano making it through instead of MC, but regardless, haters gonna hate and fanboys gonna fan. Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well. Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out) By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Also, you just admitted that you "HEARD" luckys ZvZ was bad without doing any research to verify if it was true. People can say Idra is the worst ZvT in the world, does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't. So, you really look like an idiot saying the stupid things you did in your previous post. Nobody is twisting your words either. I pointed out individual quotes on post and questioned them with "evidence" backing my argument. You however, have no evidence. Also, nobody was even talking about anything being "legendary" so why did you bring that up? And keep in mind, NOBODY expected a foreigner to win IPL especially Stephano (at that time). So, give credit where credit is due. ''So, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous.'' This is what I responded to, when I asked you to stop twisting my words. Please, you said you pointed out individual quotes. Where do I say Stephano's win was not legit? Yes, I ''HEARD'' Lucky's ZvZ was bad. You corrected me, and I accepted it. Stop fucking herp derping on that. I exagerrated with the ''legendary'' That's waht people do. There is nothing special about beating Koreans, whose skill level is that of a low Code A player. Whether you are Korean or not doesn't matter. If he actually defeated some Code S level opponents, or some top Code A, then I would glady give credit(Read more credit than I already give him, cus I have already stated it was not bad AT ALL) Also, why would you bring up that Lucky was in the finals earlier? Yes, he deserved it, he defeated MMA! in ZvT -.-' Another match up. But it was not Lucky we were talking about, it was Stephano. I brought up lucky because you asked "who did stephano play in a lan that was legit". Stephano has beaten Code S players. DRG is no easy opponent Those stats with Lucky. What opponents were those against? Code A players? We are talking about IPL3, not BlizzCup.
[troll]Idra has beat Puma a random code B player 3-0 trolololn that show he must be supra good. yes i just have faith in the unfair code x classification and not by the caliber of players[/troll]
btw TheSTC is a code S caliber too.
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On December 13 2011 08:28 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:25 kratos-23 wrote:
Aocowns you need to shut the f**** up. stephano is the most successful foreigner and that's a fact, period. Such flawless logic you have there. Didn't realize IPL3, IPL4 UK Qual and ESWC trumped Two MLGs, a Dreamhack, Homestory, achieveing Code S and getting a Ro.8 in Code S ...
They kind of do in terms of dollars actually.
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On December 13 2011 08:28 JohnMatrix wrote:
btw TheSTC is a code S caliber too.
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If he's never been in Code S, and can't even get past the ro.32/48 of Code A , than how can he be Code S caliber?
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On December 13 2011 08:30 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:28 1Eris1 wrote:On December 13 2011 08:25 kratos-23 wrote:
Aocowns you need to shut the f**** up. stephano is the most successful foreigner and that's a fact, period. Such flawless logic you have there. Didn't realize IPL3, IPL4 UK Qual and ESWC trumped Two MLGs, a Dreamhack, Homestory, achieveing Code S and getting a Ro.8 in Code S ... They kind of do in terms of dollars actually.
So because IPL 3 gave out 6x as much as a MLG it was 6x more accomplishing?
Is his IPL 3 win also more impressive than Nada's 4 (or was it 5?) consecutive Code S ro.8 runs? Because I mean those only gave out like 3k a pop...
prize money=/=difficulty necessarily
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On December 13 2011 08:28 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:20 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 08:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 08:13 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 08:00 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:44 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:28 BlazeFury01 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:16 Aocowns wrote:On December 13 2011 07:05 Zath.erin wrote:On December 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:
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Both Idra and Stephano aren't consistent eneough. Idra loses early too much. Stephano has these ridicolous losses as well.
Stephano wins IPL3(Though I think he lucked out, dodging all the big guns) where Idra fails hard against TheStC. Then, Idra wins macro games against fucking Bomber, while Stephano loses to Boxer in macro games. Now, Idra is behind on metagame and practice, so isn't showin results. Give it a couple more months, and it will all be clearer. I for one, doubt that Stephano can continue having success. (Doubt is not the same as hope, guys. Just pointing that out)
By the way, Stephano hasn't beaten tougher opponents than Idra I think. Bar now, against DRG and Hero. Stephanos' earnings are from 2 tournaments with insane prize pools, and as I said, he lucked out at IPL3. I guess we'll have to disagree on this point, Idra's only major tournament win that had Koreans in it was IEM china, and it was a somewhat weak line up where he didn't have a single Korean in his group stage. He beat Revival, Puma and Elfi to win it which is impressive as we know Puma is a beast. If you compare that to IPL 3 though, where stephano beat 4 Koreans in a row to win it, after beating Revival, Puzzle AND MMA just to qualify. I guess you're just gonna say he got all the easy Koreans, I guess that's true, it was just lucky (pun intended) for him the Korean he beat 4-0 took out all the hard ones on the other side of the bracket. Also you realise that without the lame extended series rule, Idra would have lost to Boxer in that very same tournament and ended up squeaking by, by one game. Regardless they're both great players, but it's just sad seeing all the people trying to discredit Stephano all the time. There really isn't anything to disagree about. Congrats to stephano on winning in an online qualifier against a cross server Korean in the middle of the night. That is not legit at all, imo. Freshen my mind, who did he play against at the actual LAN? I know that he beat Lucky in a ZvZ 4-0 in the finals. Lucky has a somewhat shitty ZvZ if I remember correctly. and about the Boxer thing. Boxer cheesed the fuck out of Idra, while Stephano lost in macro games. God, we should stop downplaying thei achievments They are both great players, but we have not seen eneough recent.(Idra's recent games were plagued by 2 months of travel, with only 1 week over that period of time in the house for practice) lol your post is so contradicting it's ridiculous. First off, you can't "luck" your way to a final. Second off, you bring up "his win against MMA not being legit" a sentence later you question "who did he play against at an actual LAN" and then you mention he beat lucky 4-0 in the "FINALS". Keyword: FINALS. Lucky was in the FINALS for a reason. Also, you mentioned that lucky has a "shitty ZvZ". look at Luckys ZvZ on the international scene and show me where (besides his losses to stephano) where lucky lost a set. In the Korean scene it's 3-5. This reason exactly: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=961&part=games&league=standardSo, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous. People like you should seriously stop posting. It's irritating reading the stuff idiots like you write. First off, you CAN luck yourself into a final. I asked politely who Stephano played to get there, and I specified that I wasn't sure about Lucky, but that hisZvZ looked bad, and taht I previously heard it was bad. A win against MMA while he's playing cross server on an effed up time is not legit. That is not even arguable. Stop twisting my words. I never said his win wasn't legit, I just said he dodged the big guns. It is by no means bad to win the IPL3, but it is by no means legendary, especially considering the best player he beat was StC -.-'. he beat Violet(Barely code A) and Inori, who quite frankly is shit at everything but PvP. He really lucked out on the opponents. and FYI, I see you equally as an ignorant idiot Link me games/youtube videos or any evidence where somebody has "LUCKED" their way to a final and I'll believe you. Also, you just admitted that you "HEARD" luckys ZvZ was bad without doing any research to verify if it was true. People can say Idra is the worst ZvT in the world, does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't. So, you really look like an idiot saying the stupid things you did in your previous post. Nobody is twisting your words either. I pointed out individual quotes on post and questioned them with "evidence" backing my argument. You however, have no evidence. Also, nobody was even talking about anything being "legendary" so why did you bring that up? And keep in mind, NOBODY expected a foreigner to win IPL especially Stephano (at that time). So, give credit where credit is due. ''So, you saying Stephano's wins during the whole IPL is not legit is just plain ignorant and erroneous.'' This is what I responded to, when I asked you to stop twisting my words. Please, you said you pointed out individual quotes. Where do I say Stephano's win was not legit? Yes, I ''HEARD'' Lucky's ZvZ was bad. You corrected me, and I accepted it. Stop fucking herp derping on that. I exagerrated with the ''legendary'' That's waht people do. There is nothing special about beating Koreans, whose skill level is that of a low Code A player. Whether you are Korean or not doesn't matter. If he actually defeated some Code S level opponents, or some top Code A, then I would glady give credit(Read more credit than I already give him, cus I have already stated it was not bad AT ALL) Also, why would you bring up that Lucky was in the finals earlier? Yes, he deserved it, he defeated MMA! in ZvT -.-' Another match up. But it was not Lucky we were talking about, it was Stephano. I brought up lucky because you asked "who did stephano play in a lan that was legit". Stephano has beaten Code S players. DRG is no easy opponent Those stats with Lucky. What opponents were those against? Code A players? We are talking about IPL3, not BlizzCup. [troll]Idra has beat Puma a random code B player 3-0 trolololn that show he must be supra good. yes i just have faith in the unfair code x classification and not by the caliber of players[/troll] btw TheSTC is a code S caliber too. etc.
I didn't realize this was about Idra. Btw, Puma is not Code B...
I never claimed StC not to be good, but imo he is not Code S caliber... He was the best player Stephano played at IPL3, and that's not particularily impressive
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