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http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/tech/2011/12/09/intv-skorea-world-cyber-games-sutter.cnn
CNN attempts to do a story on WCG and Starcraft. I'm not sure they did it in a good way at all. The "gameplay" videos are actually from the campaign, and the guy talking sounds kind of dumb. It seems clear they didn't do any sort of research whatsoever. They obviously have no clue whats going on.
I'm all for e-sports growing and gaining more and more public attention, but this half-ass journalism/reporting imo is more detrimental than helpful. What do you guys think?
EDIT: So maybe "detrimental" isn't a good choice of words. The thing that I'm a little upset about is the lack of journalism involved. This story could have been so much better and could have reached a lot more people if a little more effort was put into it.
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How is it in any way detrimental? I think the phrase you are looking for is "less effective".
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Bad publicity comes with any publicity, although to most people who don't know that the campaign isn't the main part of SC, it isn't bad at all.
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To us starcraft-educated people this looks a little demeaning.
To the general public who are watching cnn, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.
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The video looks fine to me. I just don't like how he inflects his sentences at the end to make them sound like questions.
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Any publicity is good publicity...and comes with bad publicity.
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Seems like a perfectly fine story to me. Talks about eSports in general and highlights StarCraft specifically, because it's "one of the biggest games in the world", how is that bad? Yeah they show footage from the Campaign but that's not very relevant. Good publicity I'd say.
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After watching the video it didn't seem to be to bad, they talked about the event focused in Starcraft when talking about the games. He didn't really talk to much about players or anything just a brief over view of the game and what we enjoy about it. the one issue i took with the video is the spent 60% of it talking about how gaming is dangerous and what the South Korean government is doing to make it safe. I feel that's a normal media thing though focus on the few extreme cases but still i wish it was more about the event and the game then anything else.
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It's not bad, but I wish they waited until the finals day so they could get shots of the hyped up crowds and stuff.
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On December 10 2011 04:54 Phaint wrote:
How is it in any way detrimental? I think the phrase you are looking for is "less effective".
I wouldn't necessarily call it detrimental. But they could have done a much better job also the amount of the time they devote to talk about gaming addiction and the negative side of things is very biased compared to other sports. If you think about the negative aspects of professional basketball or soccer those are way bigger than those of esports but very rarely do you hear someone talking about those.
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The more exposure the better imo
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On December 10 2011 05:03 hmsrenown wrote:
Any publicity is good publicity...and comes with bad publicity.
This is dumb. Bad publicity doesn't necessarily have to have a bad impact but it also doesn't really help esports to have bad publicity.
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All publicity is good publicity, even bad publicity
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Caldeum1977 Posts
Could it have been better? absolutely. Was it bad for e-sports? no.
It would have been cool to show some 1v1 battles or the cheering crowd but at the same time at least it's getting out there.
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I think the take-home of this story to most lay-persons will be the deaths of Koreans from gaming exhaustion as well as the government laws restricting underage gaming at night.
It was favorable that they depicted StarCraft as "chess"-like, but again, that's overshadowed
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It's good exposure. Almost no mainstream news articles have real expert knowledge. The fact there is even an article is a good thing for esports.
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On December 10 2011 05:00 BigBadBeaver wrote:
To us starcraft-educated people this looks a little demeaning.
To the general public who are watching cnn, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.
This.
We just happen to stumble about such things because we are part of the subculture that is being talked about. Reports on other subjects mayprobably be made in the same way, we watch them everyday and we just don't realize because we know too little about those subjects.
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What do you expect from CNN?
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Gaming addiction has killed what, 4 people in the world in the last 5 years?
Football causes 9 American deaths per year on average.
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On December 10 2011 05:03 hmsrenown wrote:
Any publicity is good publicity...and comes with bad publicity.
True, the beg of the video was alright, the content of SC2 was terrible, It would of been better if they showed gamers actually playing the game, instead of this singleplayer crap T_T
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this is awesome. glad to see it got exposed on CNN, esp SC.
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Israel2209 Posts
Hah, that was great.
Listen to a nerdy tech reporter that can't stop saying "you know" in every sentence for 50 seconds, suddenly that traditional british news caster from cnn shouts "Tell us more about these starcraft games." Felt some chills when that happened.
This is definitely good exposure.
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On December 10 2011 05:04 Baum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:54 Phaint wrote:
How is it in any way detrimental? I think the phrase you are looking for is "less effective". I wouldn't necessarily call it detrimental. But they could have done a much better job also the amount of the time they devote to talk about gaming addiction and the negative side of things is very biased compared to other sports. If you think about the negative aspects of professional basketball or soccer those are way bigger than those of esports but very rarely do you hear someone talking about those.
Have you ever watched a CNN coverage on another sport? It's usually some negative aspect about greed, or drugs, or gambling scandals. CNN isn't a sport channel, they don't really care about advancing sports. This is about as positive an outlook on any sport as I've seen CNN do. If you want something well written and awesome, check out the article in the economist instead.
That said, publicity on a major tv station is awesome!
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The video was horrible and I hope someone like Blizzard goes after CNN and makes them state a retraction about that crap. Death's due to gaming WTF is that crap. Please go over and leave feedback indicating they should get their facts straight and report unbiased crap.
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I thought the video was pretty ok. I literally ROFL'd when she said in her rediculous accent "so... tell me about thiss..... stahhhcrahhhftttt gameee" lol.
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On December 10 2011 05:08 Primadog wrote:
All publicity is good publicity, even bad publicity
One of the more idiotic maxims of our time.
The video itself was... fine-ish qualitywise, with mostly positive/neutral description of the event, eSports scene and Starcraft, however, the final third or so of the report being dedicated to bringing up the "dangers" of gaming (gotta keep 'em old white people scared!) was severely disappointing.
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They have Tastosis on site... They interview this no name?
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On December 10 2011 05:08 Baum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 05:03 hmsrenown wrote:
Any publicity is good publicity...and comes with bad publicity. This is dumb. Bad publicity doesn't necessarily have to have a bad impact but it also doesn't really help esports to have bad publicity.
The point is it doesn't matter how it is presented. Haters are gonna hate. And there's a lot of haters out there watching CNN.
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Very disapointing with the "there have been INCIDENTS" and "the government is trying to get this UNDER CONTROL". And just WTF was that game footage they showed? Where did they even find that?
Maybe I shouldn't say disapointing since this is exactly what you'd expect.
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If this is the type of coverage competitive gaming is going to get with the main stream media, I'd rather them not cover it at all.
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Can't talk about video games without bringing up "video game addiction." Thanks, CNN. Well, at least it opened up with this guy gushing about how cool WCG is. That's a big positive. I'm also really glad he actually mentioned that some of these players make real money doing this. Public knowledge that pro-gamers are getting a real salary will go a long way to legitimizing Esports.
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i liked the part where they showed people playing WoW
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Yea idk i thought the interview was ok, could it of been better for us? Dam right it could but i think it could of been a lot worse so im content with it. Like others said the fact that cnn is even bringing it up in the first place is a good sign for esports in general.
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On December 10 2011 04:53 slicknav wrote:http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/tech/2011/12/09/intv-skorea-world-cyber-games-sutter.cnnCNN attempts to do a story on WCG and Starcraft. I'm not sure they did it in a good way at all. The "gameplay" videos are actually from the campaign, and the guy talking sounds kind of dumb. It seems clear they didn't do any sort of research whatsoever. They obviously have no clue whats going on. I'm all for e-sports growing and gaining more and more public attention, but this half-ass journalism/reporting imo is more detrimental than helpful. What do you guys think?
While CNN focused too much on the gaming addiction aspect, in my opinion, the actual coverage of WCG was pretty good. The guy described essentially what it was: an olympic of gaming. He described how serious it is in terms of how much practice goes into these games and some of the monetary incentives for competing at such high levels. When asked to talk about StarCraft, he gave a description about the game that is fairly accessible to everyone, and even brought in the factor of APM--which shows the difficulty of the game when you need '400 apm' to compete at high levels. Sure, the gameplay videos weren't the most exciting, but to someone who does not know what is going on in the game, it clearly depicted unit variation, combat, and defensive and offensive positions.
Can you please explain how it's "clear they didn't do any sort of research" and why you think the guy talking sounds dumb?
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Got to get that dangerous side effect in to scare some old people
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I'm surprised to see some of the negative reactions here from the addictive side of gaming reported. Whether we want to admit it or not, gaming can become an addiction when it becomes detrimental to a persons every day life. Gamers getting divorced, dropping out, losing their jobs because of their gaming habits are great examples of this. It's fun and all, but it should be played in moderation IMO.
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I hate how they actually made emphasis on the part where they say that people have died because of this game (literally) -.-
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On December 10 2011 06:03 carloselcoco wrote:
I hate how they actually made emphasis on the part where they say that people have died because of this game (literally) -.-
... people did?
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On December 10 2011 05:09 Valiver wrote:
Could it have been better? absolutely. Was it bad for e-sports? no.
It would have been cool to show some 1v1 battles or the cheering crowd but at the same time at least it's getting out there.
the fact you can easily say it could of been done better when talking about a multinational news corporation says a lot imo. the fact they put so little effort in shows that they care less about this than they do the other slow news day stories they normally run.
i agree it didnt hurt, but on a personal level its a little belittling
On December 10 2011 06:01 Souljah wrote:
I'm surprised to see some of the negative reactions here from the addictive side of gaming reported. Whether we want to admit it or not, gaming can become an addiction when it becomes detrimental to a persons every day life. Gamers getting divorced, dropping out, losing their jobs because of their gaming habits are great examples of this. It's fun and all, but it should be played in moderation IMO.
gaming is not addictive, its compulsive, theres a difference.
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My favorite part is when they are talking about players hands and APM and then we get a side by side of campaign SC2 footage and some random playing WoW with his hand barely moving.
Also, pretty sure the people who have died have always been associted with MMO's not with RTS games. My grandma knows I play starcraft, and I would sure hope she doesn't see this news piece.
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I just thought it was strange how as they talk about the APM of Starcraft players they flip to the cam of a WoW player running around in a city doing next to nothing, then someone watching a video online while smoking a cigarette.
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they should have interviewed Idra again
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im more insulted that the very little coverage esports gets from mainstream media, it always gets tied into something negative like "oh they so addicted, they are throwing away their lifes" , look at those people dieing from playing to much.
why not just report the wcg, say its a good event and wrap it up . Its like somebody reporting in for the Olympics and only focusing on the steroid use of some athletes.
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It's half decent. Nothing too terrible about it. He put a bit too much focus on the "problems", but other than that, standard scratching-on-the-surfice journalism.
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jesus christ, that guy says "you know" A LOT. I bet she doesn't know.
that said, cool to see even more exposure
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I like how Starcraft 2 is on a national TV station and the implications of such, but devoting a third of the video to a "problem" that doesnt even exist is kind of odd.
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Keep in mind CNN's viewership is mostly middle-aged and older if I'm not mistaken. This story certainly seems geared towards that demographic. They're the only ones who would actually be so quick to bring up the "dangers" of video games.
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Tell us more about thiss Starrrrrcraaaaaft game..................................
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What....
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Honestly, we should all be excited about this. The fact that the reporter SPECIFICALLY mentioned Starcraft is good, because there will be a few (not sure how many, just don't want to exaggerate) who will hear that and wonder "Hmm.... that sounds interesting. I wonder what other footage I can see?"
This is great publicity, imo.
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If anything, shwoing the video from the campaign mode was even better because people who don't play a certain game get into it because it looks cool with flashy light and stuff and that campaign video certaintly had the flashy lights and everything needed to bring a person into a game where a real 1v1 might not have.
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Someone have to uphold the stereotype!
I guess only money would change the way mainstream media covered these events. At least american.
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It's fine. They're just showing the gameplay as eye candy. Also I doubt anyone who isn't a starcraft fan is going to notice that it's not actual multiplayer gameplay. Not a huge deal. The guy seems to have done a decent amount of research
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Quite intriguing. I'm glad it's getting this exposure, even if they had to add in the silly part about how gaming is extremely harmful and will kill you.
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same, i wish they put a little more effort into doing some research
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Well, I like how they have to go like "Yea so people here play for money and stuff but don't get interessted in it or w/e. Let's not even talk about that tournament in fact. Let's talk about how gaming is evil and is going to slowly destroy or society."
Seriously...
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lol at the part where they talk about 400 apm then figured it was a good time to show some wow baddie doing nothing
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Why are you getting antsy over them showing campaign? No-one who doesn't regularly play multiplayer is going to know the difference, and quite frankly no-one who regularly plays campaign goes to CNN for their SC2 news. It's easily obtainable, easily licensable, editable, sensible footage and there is nothing wrong with them showing it.
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ahahah
The reporter is not so bad but the footage is hilarious
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On December 10 2011 07:12 bbm wrote:
Why are you getting antsy over them showing campaign? No-one who doesn't regularly play multiplayer is going to know the difference, and quite frankly no-one who regularly plays campaign goes to CNN for their SC2 news. It's easily obtainable, easily licensable, editable, sensible footage and there is nothing wrong with them showing it.
talking about good things while showing something totally different on the screen.
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This is fine. Journalists always try to inject controversy/ issues into a story so they can be seen to cover all sides on any story. The footage is most likely just the promo stuff that was out for Starcraft 2. They probably don't have the rights to show actual games in tournaments etc and couldn't be bothered to license for a 10 minute story
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What is that old saying, bad press is good press?
Everybody needs to calm the fuck down with the whole "killin eSports" shit. Seriously.
The fact that CNN makes a story on professional starcraft is amazing, even if it isn't the best news report you've ever seen.
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Is this really true that people have died playing SC2? I have heard of this for mmorpgs but never really for SC2.
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its cnn we are talking about, can you really expect more?
and this is still publicity for esports!
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They were more interested in the deaths caused by gaming and the curbs imposed, for most of the time, below the wcg header, it said deaths caused by games urges curbs or something, it was frustrating. The clips they took were off the trailer of sc2 lol.
But I guess for a filler piece you cant expect more. Would've been cool to have talked about mlg, shown some clips of actual sc2 progaming.
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Couldn't help but /sigh a little at the fact a third of the coverage was dedicated to the negligible 'dangers' of gaming, but nevermind. Decent video overall - the guy gave a good quick summary of the event and Starcraft. The use of campaign promo footage rather than competition gameplay is a non-issue for a video like this, as all it needs to do is give someone the gist of what the gameplay is like. The fact Starcraft gameplay is shown on CNN at all is really great exposure.
Go ESPORTS!
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this video could seem interesting to someone who plays video games but hasn't heard of starcraft. I could see them watching this and saying, maybe I'll look into that game.
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United States13896 Posts
The status quo is maintained. CNN does their yearly coverage of the worlds largest gaming tournament and they sprinkle it with the typical "but gaming can also be unhealthy ... even to the point of death!" schpeale. Not a step forwards or backwards. The worlds keeps on turning.
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On December 10 2011 05:13 Zzoram wrote:
Gaming addiction has killed what, 4 people in the world in the last 5 years?
Football causes 9 American deaths per year on average.
Yeah and football gets the same treatment, too. Every time the media talks about american football, they always talk about the death ratio.
Wait a minute
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Overall a pretty good interview I thought, just a bit heavy on the whole "gaming addiction" scare.
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It seems they were talking it down a bit, he showed the excitement, talked about that, then moved onto what Starcraft is, then spent the last half talking about negative points.
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The good thing is that once our generation is the 'old' generation (mid 30's, early 40's), eSports will be mainstream, every kid is playing video games nowadays and most young adults grew up playing video games, it's actually only a matter of time until eSports is accepted as a mainstream thing all over the world.
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On December 10 2011 05:13 Zzoram wrote:
Gaming addiction has killed what, 4 people in the world in the last 5 years?
Football causes 9 American deaths per year on average.
so you're comparing a sedentary activity to one of the most physical sports in the world? that is very bad logic.
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On December 10 2011 16:24 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 05:13 Zzoram wrote:
Gaming addiction has killed what, 4 people in the world in the last 5 years?
Football causes 9 American deaths per year on average. so you're comparing a sedentary activity to one of the most physical sports in the world? that is very bad logic.
Um… that's his point?
Anyway, I thought the piece was alright. Neither good nor bad as many people have been saying. I think it is great that WCG is getting a little bit of attention. Small instances like this, and SOTG's Twitter trending campaign, can be what helps legitimize eSports in the eyes of many people who are disconnected from games.
The world is an exciting place for games right now. I hope it continues to grow.
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This honestly just seems like someone that doesn't like video games was told to research WCG.
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It's actually a really great publicity for the scene, I was actually surprised how it was the female anchor bringing up Starcraft. Why do you think it's demeaning? You were expecting the guy to start talking about Mvp and MarineKing or something?
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theyre talking about the high apm of the players and then they show some dumbass playing wow and the campaign on normal speed?? Thing annoyed me the most is once they explained what it is they immediately start talking about gaming addiction etc which is completely irrelevant
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Anything to get SC public exposure is good.
I just hope they do better next time
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Nobody watches CNN. Sensationalists promoting some kind of long-standing agenda. It's like they're some kind of American media outlet or something! Craaaaazy shit!
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wow who cares if this is publicity if my friends see it theyll just think im addicted to it and that its an rpg da fuck
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Who cares? The point of publicity is to garner attention from people who can be swayed. Exactly which of CNN's target demographics are going to pick up video gaming after watching this? It'd make more sense if a comedy network or kids channels did the story.
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I dont understand why devoting your life to playing a game professionally is a waste.(Or so they make it sound, negitive and bad w/ the addiction)
Footballers devote their lives and is it called a waste? We all die so isn't everything a waste? We might as well spend our life doing what we enjoy.
Other then that..coverage is good.
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Other than the campaign fotoage instead of actual multiplay i dont see it that bad at all, now more people know about sc2 and not just see it as just another video game you plug into that gamebox.
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HAHA, the lady: "Tell us more about these, star... craft games." Reminds me of this shirt from the handsome nerd:
![[image loading]](http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/17445345/view/1/producttypecolor/2/type/png/width/280/height/280/star-crafts-too-black_design.png)
They could have done a better job though, I agree. But it don't think it's "killing eSports"  Kind of a shame they had to end the video on the topic of health problems and imposing government restrictions on gaming though :\
As a side note.. Does anyone else hate how blanket the term "Breaking News" has become?
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That was better than I expected. It's unfortunate that they ended on a massively exaggerated topic, but it was still more fairly portrayed than I expected. That they implied that devoting your life to this is such a bad thing when the same wouldn't be said about other sports is unfortunate, but certainly not unexpected. Showing the singleplayer... well, it is part of the game, even if less important and nothing to do with WCG or any other events. It shows lack of research, but doesn't really have any negative impact.
On December 11 2011 23:33 chaynesore wrote:HAHA, the lady: "Tell us more about these, star... craft games." Reminds me of this shirt from the handsome nerd: They could have done a better job though, I agree. But it don't think it's "killing eSports" Kind of a shame they had to end the video on the topic of health problems and imposing government restrictions on gaming though :\ As a side note.. Does anyone else hate how blanket the term "Breaking News" has become?
Breaking News: Scheduled event happens on time. Yeah, it's pretty stupid.
On December 10 2011 05:02 xiaofan wrote:
The video looks fine to me. I just don't like how he inflects his sentences at the end to make them sound like questions.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
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