EPTOn December 23 2011 19:56 marttorn wrote:
This can only be settled in one way. Rap battle to the death!
This can only be settled in one way. Rap battle to the death!
I would pay to view this. Only if they were rapping while playing.
EG vs mouz rivalry on twitter - Page 69
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Drxz
Australia115 Posts
I would pay to view this. Only if they were rapping while playing. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:56 Imperium11 wrote: Haha that was a fun read. I like that the exchange was combative, but never felt over-the-top rude. And I agree with the OP that a team rivalry coming out of this would be great. Rivalries and drama always add to the entertainment value of events, and I would say to the growth of of esports as a whole. Why are people saying that...drama is good? O_o I like to see a good Match with high skilled players not guys insulting each other. Every Player on mouz and EG got an "bad mannered" history. I would personally like to see them become "professional" players without this drama stuff. Maybe i am just too old for this "trolling" stuff...my 2 cents | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On December 23 2011 20:51 cutler wrote: Why are people saying that...drama is good? O_o I like to see a good Match with high skilled players not guys insulting each other. Every Player on mouz and EG got an "bad mannered" history. I would personally like to see them become "professional" players without this drama stuff. Maybe i am just too old for this "trolling" stuff...my 2 cents Well there's drama and there's drama. I don't think there's anything wrong with some friendly banter between teams adding some prestige whenever they face each other and having the players want to do extra well against that team. As long as it is all in good fun, as is obviously the case here, it just adds some interesting aspect for the viewers without harming anyone. People disliking and disrespecting one another, backing that up with insults and all kinds of silly stuff, however is just stupid. This is just not that. | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 23 2011 20:51 cutler wrote: Why are people saying that...drama is good? O_o I like to see a good Match with high skilled players not guys insulting each other. Every Player on mouz and EG got an "bad mannered" history. I would personally like to see them become "professional" players without this drama stuff. Maybe i am just too old for this "trolling" stuff...my 2 cents I agree with the no need for silly drama, the competition and the game itself should entertain. Having players faking the drama to create a hype is another step into the direction of wrestling. I'd probably stop following sc2 if players and teams would sell out like this and started acting like idiots instead of like sportsmen. If you cause drama, at least have a valid reason for it, act like a competitor, not like an entertainer. Naniwa comes to mind here as a positive example. The reason why sports is more interesting to watch than talk shows, comedy etc.. is because what you see is real, not some fake shit somebody made up to steal other peoples time and money. BTW which player from mouz has a history of being bm? They all appear to be very positive examples in terms of sportsmanship... did I miss something? | ||
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Sphaero
Germany1697 Posts
On December 23 2011 20:51 cutler wrote: Why are people saying that...drama is good? O_o I like to see a good Match with high skilled players not guys insulting each other. Every Player on mouz and EG got an "bad mannered" history. I would personally like to see them become "professional" players without this drama stuff. Maybe i am just too old for this "trolling" stuff...my 2 cents What mousesports player has a bad mannered history? When have for example Thorzain or Mana acted in a offensive manner towards somebody? It is even more hilarious, because you also include Hasu here, who is one if not the most mannered player in the whole scene. I follow this guy since he made his debut for mouz in WC3. That was 7 years ago. I have seen many games, that he lost in a bitter or frustrating fashion (his semi final vs. elfi at IEM China is a good example), but he has not even once raged, flamed or insulted an opponent. He is basically the "Mr. Nice Guy" of german esport and the face of mouz, which explains why he is extremely well received in the german community and believe me, the german community is not known for being the nicest. There is a reason, why he is the captain of both mousesports and Team Germany. If Hasu isn´t a professional player, then no one is, period. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On December 23 2011 19:44 Velr wrote: Why don't people get it? EG is "hated" because they are the rich kid. Like Bayern München in the german football league. Like Real Madrid in all of football. . . . There are tons of examples of rich teams that "buy" ther wins (actually they are just improving their chances of winning buy spending more money than anyone else). This does not fly good with many people (like me). But this is no reason to insult EG or call their Team bad, it's not a bad team. It's a bought Team that would look terrible whiteout it's money but well... They got the funds so... You mean EG is the only Team that buys players? hm.. I sure can name other teams that do the same.... like every professional Team out there.. (exept grubby, whitra). And you think they don't train there players? What about the EG Lair and the EG-Slayers practise agreement? shit.. i should't actually respond to these kind of trollbaits. | ||
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Drorctopus
Netherlands135 Posts
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On December 23 2011 21:14 perestain wrote: BTW which player from mouz has a history of being bm? They all appear to be very positive examples in terms of sportsmanship... did I miss something? My bad...of course Hasu is a nice guy...i totally forgot about him and Thorzain. They are both mannered. Especially Hasu. :-) In case of BM...i am sorry...this has nothing to do with OP. So i wont add it here. | ||
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r3SpaVVn
Germany109 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:23 Drorctopus wrote: No not a rap battle.... A DANCE-OFF We already know how that would look like :D | ||
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Cupine
Canada51 Posts
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On December 23 2011 21:14 perestain wrote: I agree with the no need for silly drama, the competition and the game itself should entertain. Having players faking the drama to create a hype is another step into the direction of wrestling. I'd probably stop following sc2 if players and teams would sell out like this and started acting like idiots instead of like sportsmen. If you cause drama, at least have a valid reason for it, act like a competitor, not like an entertainer. Naniwa comes to mind here as a positive example. The reason why sports is more interesting to watch than talk shows, comedy etc.. is because what you see is real, not some fake shit somebody made up to steal other peoples time and money. BTW which player from mouz has a history of being bm? They all appear to be very positive examples in terms of sportsmanship... did I miss something? To which kind of sports do you compare SC2 players when you say that they should act more like "sportsmen"? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 23 2011 22:43 Hardigan wrote: You mean EG is the only Team that buys players? hm.. I sure can name other teams that do the same.... like every professional Team out there.. (exept grubby, whitra). And you think they don't train there players? What about the EG Lair and the EG-Slayers practise agreement? shit.. i should't actually respond to these kind of trollbaits. If you are incapable of reading what you're responding to, it is for the best that you do not respond at all. What Velr was trying to point out is that the amount of money they spend is clearly heavily disproportionate to the amount of money other teams spend (or have available). Which goes to say that the only reason they stay competitive as a team is because they're able to completely overkill anything other teams can offer. If this playing field was even slightly more fair/even, they would struggle to be a top NA team, let alone compete on a global level. EG does not even have any tradition as a Starcraft team. They just blasted into the scene one day (when the release of SC2 was nearing) and rounded up like every player present at the last pre-SC2 WCG USA except for Idra who was on an actual pro team at the time. And poof! they have a Starcraft team. -__- | ||
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CookieMaker
Canada880 Posts
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:06 Talin wrote: If you are incapable of reading what you're responding to, it is for the best that you do not respond at all. What Velr was trying to point out is that the amount of money they spend is clearly heavily disproportionate to the amount of money other teams spend (or have available). Which goes to say that the only reason they stay competitive as a team is because they're able to completely overkill anything other teams can offer. If this playing field was even slightly more fair/even, they would struggle to be a top NA team, let alone compete on a global level. what do you mean by more fair? EG has a long history in esport, like col, sk, etc. They worked for what they have now, the money didn't fall from the sky. They earned it. If they are more succesful now because of it, why should it be unfair? And what do you mean by "completetly overkill anything other teams can offer"? That's how the market works. How should it work different? EDIT: pls if you want to answer pm me, sow wo don't distract this thread further. Because I really like the friendly rivalry | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:18 Hardigan wrote: what do you mean by more fair? EG has a long history in esport, like col, sk, etc. They worked for what they have now, the money didn't fall from the sky. They earned it. If they are more succesful now because of it, why should it be unfair? And what do you mean by "completetly overkill anything other teams can offer"? That's how the market works. How should it work different? They didn't earn their success nor build their reputation in Starcraft, so it doesn't matter where else they earned it. The relevant competition here is Starcraft, not the market. Companies can play the market card all they want, but then they should learn to live with the negative reputation that sort of approach inevitably brings (in any sport, even the richest ones). It's unfair competition, simple as that. For example, they could just buy themselves a Thorzain and Mana for Christmas with "life changing offers", and then this whole thread becomes meaningless, because the in-game competition between two Starcraft teams is meaningless. The only competition that matters then is the business competition. Being a Starcraft fan, I couldn't care less for business competition. I don't want to watch it, I don't want to know about it and I certainly don't want it to get in the way of and negate the competition that is relevant (the actual game). | ||
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flagg
Sweden123 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:42 cutler wrote: My bad...of course Hasu is a nice guy...i totally forgot about him and Thorzain. They are both mannered. Especially Hasu. :-) In case of BM...i am sorry...this has nothing to do with OP. So i wont add it here. That more or less leave Mana and Morrow as the BM players :D Good trolling sir! | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:31 Talin wrote: They didn't earn their success nor build their reputation in Starcraft, so it doesn't matter where else they earned it. Isn't this a ridiculous standard to hold teams to? Other than liquid, what foreign teams DID build their reputation in starcraft? Col didn't, afaik mouz didn't, aren't most of the Korean sc2 teams too new to have built a reputation with BW? I mean, FoU was a clan, but now they're FXO anyway. I'm not sure why it's ok to expect this of EG and not of anyone else. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:31 Talin wrote: They didn't earn their success nor build their reputation in Starcraft, so it doesn't matter where else they earned it. What does that even mean? Idras run in the GSL throughout his time in Korea was pretty damn impressive. Incontrol has a massive following in the community. Their show ITG with DjWheat is very popular. Puma has won back to back NASL and has formed a very interesting storyline with Liquid_Hero. Demuslim has always been a ladder monster with a fantasticly informative commentated stream. Huk is Huk, top 3 control and all that jazz. While we may not see too much of Machine, LzGamer, Strifecro or Axslav you can that that about any team. What non-Korean team can you say even fully built it's reputation in Starcraft? Why does roots in another scene make them illegitimate posers? | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
mana especially looking like a fucking gosu these days. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:31 Talin wrote: They didn't earn their success nor build their reputation in Starcraft, so it doesn't matter where else they earned it. The relevant competition here is Starcraft, not the market. Companies can play the market card all they want, but then they should learn to live with the negative reputation that sort of approach inevitably brings (in any sport, even the richest ones). It's unfair competition, simple as that. For example, they could just buy themselves a Thorzain and Mana for Christmas with "life changing offers", and then this whole thread becomes meaningless, because the in-game competition between two Starcraft teams is meaningless. The only competition that matters then is the business competition. Being a Starcraft fan, I couldn't care less for business competition. I don't want to watch it, I don't want to know about it and I certainly don't want it to get in the way of and negate the competition that is relevant (the actual game). As other people have pointed out, your post is insanely dumb. EG has worked hard for years to earn enough to have the ability to makes thes "life changing offers". Don't short change them. | ||
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