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On November 15 2011 18:17 wattabeast wrote:
Why though does he have to forfeit his Code S spot and leav slayers team house :S He was one of the top 3 or 4 zergs in the world! Huge loss, and I was a big fan before this "scandle"
skill level has nothing to do with it
might as well have been nestea, it wouldn't matter
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stop comparing those 2 to Savior for god's sake.. they havent achieved 5% of what savior achieved in BW.. (not the same period of playing the actual game, but still)
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On November 15 2011 18:08 Terminal wrote:
Lol? How the fuck is this match fixing exactly? It's just two friends having a good time and messing around in some random online cup, people drop out all the time because they have better things to do. Yeah sure it sucks, yeah sure it might not be the coolest thing for the people watching.
But It's not like they agreed to throw an MLG or a GSL match beforehand. People need to calm down a bit and stop overreacting, he now forfeits his Code S spot and gets kicked out of the SlayerS house? What a joke.
Since the korean weekly offers an Code A spots in GSL in quite more than just a "random online cup"
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This sucks, Coca was way too good of a player to get wrapped up in this shit for someone else's sake.
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Don't be sorry diamond, you havent done anything wrong.
So dissappointed.....
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On November 15 2011 18:15 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 18:12 Grettin wrote:On November 15 2011 18:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Fucking idiots.
Do people not realise that this happens all the time in minor tournaments though? It may happen in tournaments all the time but I'm glad at least SOMEONE is doing something about it. Sure. Realistically though, all this does is make players a little less stupid in how they do it though. The only way to make pros not cheat is to make it impossible for them to cheat. Relying on their good nature when there's so much money and pride on the line simply doesn't work.
It's clearly a message, the punishment is harsh if you look at it, but its a message to those who has done it and who might do it in the future. Yes, maybe people will use their brains next time when fixing the game(s), but now the fixer(s) also know that something bad will happen if they get caught. But as i said, i'm glad Korean scene cares and does something about this. There is MANY examples of match-throwing and fixing in foreign tournaments but there hasn't been any consequences.
I wonder what Kespa's punishment would have been though. I'm pretty sure a fine and something similar what the punishment is already.
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kinda feel bad for coca having to go all the way through the gsl just to get code S again, assuming they let him play anytime soon. really dumb of both of them to type that out during a game though.
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On November 15 2011 17:41 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 17:25 Skytalker wrote:On November 15 2011 17:23 Not_That wrote:
I am very sad to read about this.
Personally I blame Byun more than Coca. Byun should've known better than to ask for this. Coca, while also in the wrong, I can understand him a bit more. He's young, Byun is his friend, and when Byun asked Coca made an on-the-spot decision in reaction to what Byun asked him. Coca made the wrong decision, but it was not premeditated. Byun, by asking Coca to give him the win, already came to the game with the mentality that if he loses then it's 'okay' to ask this of his friend Coca. I felt more upset with coca, but you have a very good point there. No I'm pretty sure Byun was like "FUCK I LOST." and the thought / solution just came to mind at that instant. There's no evidence that it was premeditated at all otherwise they would have done it in bnet chat after Coca won the first game. Stupid moves by two young players. Sucks for everybody involved.
Yea, very good point. That was a sad situation, especially for coca imo  .
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On November 15 2011 14:39 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 14:37 babylon wrote:On November 15 2011 14:36 mizU wrote:On November 15 2011 14:35 SenorChang wrote:On November 15 2011 14:32 JunkkaGom wrote:On November 15 2011 14:28 setzer wrote:On November 15 2011 14:25 jinixxx123 wrote:On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote:
It's not match-fixing, Christ.
It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy. so what would you call this? throwing a game? you make no sense, This is match fixing. It was intentional of coca to loose the game. Did CoCa benefit in anyway leaving the game? no Did the BW match-fixers benefit from what they did? Absolutely People need to stop comparing apples to oranges. Let me say this to people who say that since this isn't as big deal as Savior incident because Coca dind't gain anything and hasn't caused as huge scandal as then, he should be forgiven : Killing some owner of rich company to steal money is just as bad as killing homeless guy for fun. Small or big, match fixing is killing esports That's isn't a good analogy Murder is murder, this is two completely different circumstances Throwing a game, is throwing a game. But throwing a game isn't match-fixing. It's STILL throwing a game.
though anyone can gg at any moment, is something restricting a player to gg at any moment? Yes those players talked in chat, so it kinda blew it, but theoretically any player could just say gg ane leave at any time. Or just a-move his army and gg...
I mean players share their prize money on finals(some talked about it), they just don't talk about it in game chat, this could happen all the time without us noticing it.
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Demuslim threw those games because he realized he was unable to attend the tournament. It was not planned, he simply signed up for the qualifier and played without knowing the exact dates of the tournament. As soon as he was aware that it was a weekend there where there was no possibility of him attending he forfeited the games.
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On November 15 2011 18:14 Diader wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 18:08 Terminal wrote:
Lol? How the fuck is this match fixing exactly? It's just two friends having a good time and messing around in some random online cup, people drop out all the time because they have better things to do. Yeah sure it sucks, yeah sure it might not be the coolest thing for the people watching.
But It's not like they agreed to throw an MLG or a GSL match beforehand. People need to calm down a bit and stop overreacting, he now forfeits his Code S spot and gets kicked out of the SlayerS house? What a joke. QFT. And honestly, has it even been said if this was pre-meditated? What if Byun was just saying "lol leave dude" in chat jokingly, and Coca just figured it would be fun to play a deciding game in a small-time tournament against his friend? Byun deserved to be kicked out of that tournament maybe, but for both of them to be shunned by the entire esports community? Really?
Its about how they went about it, for me atleast.
If byun jokingly said "hey leave dude" and coca just left for fun, they just shouldnt submit that particular replay.
If you are casting that game, and suddenly something like this happens live in front of your eyes, what are you supposed to say to the audience?
"hey guys there is an elephant in the room, lets just ignore him" or what?
Submitting that as if nothing out of the ordinary happened in the game, is extremely naive.
I also believe that they didnt preplan anything, they did it out of naivety, and submitting that replay anyways is also out of naivety.
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On November 15 2011 18:08 philly5man wrote:
So the lesson is play badly when you want your team mate to win, rather than play well and then leave. This demonstrates that there's a major flaw in what we want as a community from games that are forfeit-worthy due to personal reasons. (and those will always be there, for as long as humans have friends)
I'd rather have them state openly that they forfeit the win, but at least provide a real game with good play, before leaving. - for doing exactly that, I actually admire Coca even more.
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Another one of those big drama's where i'm asleep when it happens, and when I wake up there's 50 pages about it on TL 
I think this is pretty bad from both players, but nothing really major. Coca and Byun are just good friends, and Coca probably doesn't take the korean weekly seriously enough. I don't know what on earth crossed Byun's mind that made him decide to do this on such a public venue.
It was stupid for Coca to agree to it, but to some extent I also understand why he did. They're good friends, and coca doesn't need a Code A spot anytime soon (well, now he might), so why not help out a friend. It shows immense stupidity and poor decision making on both sides, that they would do this live on stream.
In other news, anybody who voted for Coca in their liquibets are kind of screwed, aren't they?
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That's a very harsh punishment for Coca, but it was dumb as well. So dumb that I don't think they realized they did something bad. Hope to see him back soon.
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only banned till 1st Of Janurary? And the rest? what they did was shocking, shows that doesnt matter what team you play on, the will awlays be this kind of stuff going on however legit you thought they were!
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I think this has been dealt with quite well so far.
Both players have been stupid, CoCa especially as the player with so much to lose. Given that, Byun was kind of a dick for actually letting his friend go through with it, you can kind of understand how CoCa might feel bad about entering a tournament for practice only to deny Byun a chance to progress. Byun had a chance to say "only kidding, gg" or to say afterwards that CoCa should be awarded the win.
The two important things are that, first, CoCa disrespected the tournament organisers by not taking it seriously. How can he expect fans to watch the tournament when players aren't playing to win, and if fans don't watch it the tournament won't happen in the future; second, that there was nothing really malicious going on, it was just two teenagers being idiots.
So the punishments from Slayers and the Korean Weekly are fair I think, and there was no way CoCa could have played Code S tomorrow. Remains to be seen how hard GOM crack down on him. Will he also have to forfeit his RO24 Code A match and his up and down group leaving him in the first round of Code A next season?
Mainly I feel bad for the Korean Weekly people, it's a good tournament and one of the few non-GSL tournaments for Koreans.
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I think it's good that this is dealt with rather harshly. The match-fixing scandal in BW shook the scene to it's foundations, and while this isn't exactly of the same magnitude, there WAS a GSL Code A spot on the line here. This isn't ''some random online tournament'', you know. Completely unprofessional and unsportsmanlike behaviour, and it hurts the credibility of E-sports in general.
Also, it's beyond me how they could be so moronic in their way of going about this. XD Like, how did they not expect to get caught?
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Wow, the punishment seems pretty rough. Seems like a huge culture difference here. I wouldn't even consider this "match fixing"
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