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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 15 2011 09:58 GMT
#1061
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
November 15 2011 09:59 GMT
#1062
Dam. Why does this happen...
Dear Sixsmith...
Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
November 15 2011 10:00 GMT
#1063
On November 15 2011 18:47 Namu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:44 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On November 15 2011 18:32 blackbrrd wrote:
I think this is an overreaction, it is obvious neither of them was taking this match seriously. Give them a fine or something, don't stop them from playing. It would have been another matter if it was something they planned and tried to hide, but it obviously was a spur of the moment situation and they didn't try to hide it.


That in itself is a problem. The whole point of being able to be sponsored is because you display the most amazing ability in an activity that patrons patronise you in lodging/funds/etc. That'll you play your best, regardless of reward/prestige/honour.

May the best man win.

This stunt by Byun and Coca was a farce of the above statement. I mean who needs ability when you got friends who'll throw matches for you? Stupid moves, became more severe because it was done in plain sight. It was right for SlayerS to lose all faith in CoCa. If he can throw a match because of a low prize online tournament for an old friend, what does it mean when it comes to major money tournaments with "offers" from an old friend?

tl;dr If either player can't even have integrity in small things, what about in big things?


Your tl;dr logic is opposite of what I would think is normal.
People are more hesitant to steal diamonds than to steal an apple.
Regardless, although it may seem like the punishments are an over reaction, I think it's necessary since this is the first case of anything that resemebles match-fixing in SC2, and was necessary...


They're professional sportsmen supported and indirectly paid for by their team, sponsors and fans.
SlayerS are correct in their punitive action. There must be ZERO doubt in their team's ability to play their best at any given time. In martial arts, if an opponent fights you with one arm, it means he looks down on you as a martial artist. It means you are child's play.

Likewise, for them to not only chat mid-game AND send their game is a slap in the face to anyone, competitor, caster or fan, who takes the tournament seriously and thus plays their best.
Cauterize the area
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
November 15 2011 10:01 GMT
#1064
On November 15 2011 18:06 Hnnngg wrote:
I remember when White-Ra match-fixed in the open bracket at MLG.

Sad stuff, to see these progamers fall from their pedestals of crowning human achievement and sully their souls with promises of money and whores.

Or not.


The fuck are you on?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:04:44
November 15 2011 10:01 GMT
#1065
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


They have sponsors who give them money, they have a lot in line here and they want to give the best result as possible. Of course they take these things seriously, jesus. And not to mention, if you want this "E-sports" to be something huge in the future, things like this should be happening more often.

And no streaming allowed? why i have been seeing Cella and co stream everyday pretty much. Not that i care if they stream or not, i would prefer not to stream if they wan't to show good results (as Diamond mentioned above).
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
November 15 2011 10:02 GMT
#1066
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


You would be too if your next pay check comes from sponsorship and advertising.
Cauterize the area
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 15 2011 10:02 GMT
#1067
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


Their system produces results.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 15 2011 10:04 GMT
#1068
On November 15 2011 18:52 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:58 figq wrote:
They shouldn't have submitted the replays, and instead just state that Coca forfeits, and there would have been no trouble, because official forfeits are accepted by everyone.

But they submitted them, and most of us were well satisfied to see their play overall. Much better than no games. If only there was some warning note, like: "Coca forfeits, but if you like you can cast these games just for build content value".

Forfeiting isn't cheating. The insanity is the opposite -- trying to punish and coerce people into never forfeiting. Sorry, but friendship doesn't kill esports.

Way to support matchfixing. Take it a bit more seriously ffs. It makes a travesty of competition when you have one player just saying "meh, this competition is irrelevant so I'm going to help you cheat, make the fans feel stupid for acting like what they love to watch is irrelevant, and also for supporting me in the first place".

Friendship doesn't kill esports? Honestly, some meme isn't going to make your point more valid. You know what friendship is in a sport? Ever played for a sports team? You are told to get out on the field and play to win just as hard as ever. Don't ever act like someone is your friend when you're playing against them- not until after the match is done. That's just how professional sport works, otherwise it's frankly pointless. This is no different.

The travesty is trying to force people to compete against their will. If anything, Coca proved his honesty and integrity today. It actually says very badly for the community that he is the first player to do this so openly.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
November 15 2011 10:04 GMT
#1069
This incident is highly unfortunate. I think the team manager’s acts correctly by punishing their players. This looks really bad for the team and match-fixing has been too much of an issue within the community already.

I’m not that naïve to think that these things don’t happen but when discovered the teams themselves has to be firm and show that this is now acceptable behavior. Coca is a good player and he will recover and mature from the experience.
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Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
November 15 2011 10:05 GMT
#1070
On November 15 2011 19:04 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:52 ImbaTosS wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:58 figq wrote:
They shouldn't have submitted the replays, and instead just state that Coca forfeits, and there would have been no trouble, because official forfeits are accepted by everyone.

But they submitted them, and most of us were well satisfied to see their play overall. Much better than no games. If only there was some warning note, like: "Coca forfeits, but if you like you can cast these games just for build content value".

Forfeiting isn't cheating. The insanity is the opposite -- trying to punish and coerce people into never forfeiting. Sorry, but friendship doesn't kill esports.

Way to support matchfixing. Take it a bit more seriously ffs. It makes a travesty of competition when you have one player just saying "meh, this competition is irrelevant so I'm going to help you cheat, make the fans feel stupid for acting like what they love to watch is irrelevant, and also for supporting me in the first place".

Friendship doesn't kill esports? Honestly, some meme isn't going to make your point more valid. You know what friendship is in a sport? Ever played for a sports team? You are told to get out on the field and play to win just as hard as ever. Don't ever act like someone is your friend when you're playing against them- not until after the match is done. That's just how professional sport works, otherwise it's frankly pointless. This is no different.

The travesty is trying to force people to compete against their will. If anything, Coca proved his honesty and integrity today. It actually says very badly for the community that he is the first player to do this so openly.


Whatever you are smoking, can I have some of it?
Cauterize the area
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 15 2011 10:06 GMT
#1071
On November 15 2011 19:02 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


Their system produces results.


That don't change my opinion of them. ; (
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
November 15 2011 10:07 GMT
#1072
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


What was the Eve and Jessica Scandal?
Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
November 15 2011 10:08 GMT
#1073
On November 15 2011 19:07 Zidane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


What was the Eve and Jessica Scandal?

Where people were posting harmful words/pictures and Jessica sued them all or something.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
November 15 2011 10:08 GMT
#1074
to tell the truth, it only matters if they were playing serious games. if they were playing in a mini just for fun tournament, it becomes a lot less severe. idk which category the games fall into.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:09:48
November 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#1075
On November 15 2011 19:07 Zidane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


What was the Eve and Jessica Scandal?


Think he meant Jessicas reactions when Slayers announced that they are recruiting Eve and all the sexist comments and what not in Korean sites by netizens.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 15 2011 10:09 GMT
#1076
On November 15 2011 19:07 Zidane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..


What was the Eve and Jessica Scandal?


To be fair, i didn't follow them that much, but there were a huge thread of Jessica freaking out about things people said about Eve on Slayers.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Herr Wilhelm
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile170 Posts
November 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#1077
TT this is really bad, both of them are really good players and it's really disapointing to see something like this.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 15 2011 10:13 GMT
#1078
On November 15 2011 18:58 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how SlayerS manage their players.
Massive overeaction to everything ( Coca's thing, the Jessica scandal, EvE's scandal ) No streaming allowed, etc

I feel like they're taking everything way too serious..

You know, there's a reason why Korea is so far ahead of foreigners not only in terms of actual playing, but also in the whole infrastructure of E-sports (BW played on TV with huge companies like Samsung sponsoring their teams, with players making 100 000 dollars a year)....

AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY TAKE THINGS FUCKING SERIOUSLY!

I cannot fathom how you can see that as a negative thing.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 15 2011 10:14 GMT
#1079
On November 15 2011 19:05 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 19:04 figq wrote:
On November 15 2011 18:52 ImbaTosS wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:58 figq wrote:
They shouldn't have submitted the replays, and instead just state that Coca forfeits, and there would have been no trouble, because official forfeits are accepted by everyone.

But they submitted them, and most of us were well satisfied to see their play overall. Much better than no games. If only there was some warning note, like: "Coca forfeits, but if you like you can cast these games just for build content value".

Forfeiting isn't cheating. The insanity is the opposite -- trying to punish and coerce people into never forfeiting. Sorry, but friendship doesn't kill esports.

Way to support matchfixing. Take it a bit more seriously ffs. It makes a travesty of competition when you have one player just saying "meh, this competition is irrelevant so I'm going to help you cheat, make the fans feel stupid for acting like what they love to watch is irrelevant, and also for supporting me in the first place".

Friendship doesn't kill esports? Honestly, some meme isn't going to make your point more valid. You know what friendship is in a sport? Ever played for a sports team? You are told to get out on the field and play to win just as hard as ever. Don't ever act like someone is your friend when you're playing against them- not until after the match is done. That's just how professional sport works, otherwise it's frankly pointless. This is no different.

The travesty is trying to force people to compete against their will. If anything, Coca proved his honesty and integrity today. It actually says very badly for the community that he is the first player to do this so openly.


Whatever you are smoking, can I have some of it?
If you have a relevant question to ask me, please go ahead.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Project Psycho
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom329 Posts
November 15 2011 10:18 GMT
#1080
How could anyone with common sense make this big of a mistake when they know everyone is watching? This just proves to me that a lot of top korean players are just dumb robots, all they work on is there mechanics and just copy other peoples builds, they just play that much that they can beat most people just on mechanics alone, there is almost no intelligence involved at all, even Tyler and Idra have said the same thing.
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