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On November 11 2011 08:49 Shel wrote:
Guys, don't worry about IPL sponsoring other smaller events. All they require, according to David Ting on VVV Gamings show (I don't recall the date it aired on, but it was a few days ago) is a track record of successful LAN events. There's another company that runs LANs in the Phillipines, I think it's called Mineske. There is also the guy who ran the Australian qualifier for the PPSL, Dox, who has been running online tourneys for quite a while, and has a plan to gradually run larger and larger ones until they're internationally known.
David Ting said on VVV Gaming's show, that IPL is already in talks with both Mineske and Dox to sponsor their events in some fashion. So many people are saying the PPSL was harmful to SEA. It was harmful to eSports as a whole, and to the individuals who have been screwed over, but it has only HELPED SEA. Now we all know that SEA is there. We know they have dedicated and hard working players who went above and beyond to try and save a sinking ship. We know they are a community that cares about each other and supports each other, as seen in multiple stories and story lines surrounding this event. SEA is simply awesome, and this attention has brought an awareness of them and a sympathy for them throughout the gaming world. The next time SEA puts on a major event, everyone will be watching. This is just the beginning of their story, not the end.
This is actually smart ( Track record of successful LAN events). It's good to know that they are getting stricter with this. To be honest PPSL only ruins SEA esports temporarily, but I believe that it is good for esports in the Philippines and SEA in the long term. Eventually this "issues" get resolved and the show goes on.
Mineski, has indeed hosted A LOT of successful events, such as the Pinoy Gaming Festival
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.mineski.net/pgf
It was indeed successful and there were no delays. Good and smooth event all in all. The eSports community here in the Philippines is really, really big. Especially for DotA, and of course, growing for Starcraft 2, Mineski is doing a good job advertising Starcraft 2 here, PGF had its starcraft 2 tourney as well.
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On November 11 2011 13:31 ProLagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 08:49 Shel wrote:
Guys, don't worry about IPL sponsoring other smaller events. All they require, according to David Ting on VVV Gamings show (I don't recall the date it aired on, but it was a few days ago) is a track record of successful LAN events. There's another company that runs LANs in the Phillipines, I think it's called Mineske. There is also the guy who ran the Australian qualifier for the PPSL, Dox, who has been running online tourneys for quite a while, and has a plan to gradually run larger and larger ones until they're internationally known.
David Ting said on VVV Gaming's show, that IPL is already in talks with both Mineske and Dox to sponsor their events in some fashion. So many people are saying the PPSL was harmful to SEA. It was harmful to eSports as a whole, and to the individuals who have been screwed over, but it has only HELPED SEA. Now we all know that SEA is there. We know they have dedicated and hard working players who went above and beyond to try and save a sinking ship. We know they are a community that cares about each other and supports each other, as seen in multiple stories and story lines surrounding this event. SEA is simply awesome, and this attention has brought an awareness of them and a sympathy for them throughout the gaming world. The next time SEA puts on a major event, everyone will be watching. This is just the beginning of their story, not the end. This is actually smart ( Track record of successful LAN events). It's good to know that they are getting stricter with this. To be honest PPSL only ruins SEA esports temporarily, but I believe that it is good for esports in the Philippines and SEA in the long term. Eventually this "issues" get resolved and the show goes on. Mineski, has indeed hosted A LOT of successful events, such as the Pinoy Gaming Festival + Show Spoiler +http://www.mineski.net/pgf It was indeed successful and there were no delays. Good and smooth event all in all. The eSports community here in the Philippines is really, really big. Especially for DotA, and of course, growing for Starcraft 2, Mineski is doing a good job advertising Starcraft 2 here, PGF had its starcraft 2 tourney as well.
mineski is a great team with a bunch of nice people in their clan.
iirc, mineski's dota team played for dota 2 tournament.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 12:36 Xpace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 03:19 Primadog wrote:On November 11 2011 02:32 chii wrote:
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Not my story to tell.
Some members do not want any information coming out as they want to settle matters without the attention.
The PPSL is a public event. Gus, the core, and the team made all of this public. Whatever the outcome of the event, good or bad, it will be public.
I understand wanting to keep some things private. To order a complete lockdown on information is a different matter. I hope Team AZK realize that an information lockdown, at this point, is the worst possible thing for them to do. Without coming clean, they're just as guilty as Gus in the public eye. Except they don't WANT to come out. I posted a screenshot of a simple Facebook conversation amongst them from their group page (set to PUBLIC VIEW) on TL and they raged. I don't get why they wanna keep it quiet, either you're right and they're as guilty as Gus (and somehow all the blame has fallen on one guy), or since this is a pretty big issue not just in the Philippines, they wanna be part of the cool kids who know the 'insider happenings', which is actually pretty immature (I really doubt this is the case, they should have really learned from IPL by now, especially how vocal IPL has been). Or maybe they just don't know how to handle the situation properly.
Yeah I really don't understand the rest of Team AZK's actions. Not pointing blame at all the players/members, but just the higher ups. Where's their side of the story or statement? We get it, they also fucked up, but how fucked up was their hand at fucking it up (for lack of a better word I guess).
Them not issuing any sort of formal written statement or going on record is actually bad for them. Granted most of the team was vicitmized but surely NEGLECT of Team AZK's duties as event organizers doesn't absolve them of guilt, albeit a lesser one compared to Gus. But now, it is like they are sitting on the sidelines "supposedly" fixing stuff and just washing themselves off of the issue since the sniper scope is on Gus.
The community should at least be rational to expect a written/formal/recorded statement from them at least. Their is radio silence, from PPSL or Team AZK, we have heard nothing. Former members say he was a douche but that's really beside the point with regards to this issue. Where is the "TEAM" that was supposed to have organized this event, they have chosen to remain silent hoping that this blows over with them proclaiming that Gus is the sole guilty party on a Team AZK event?
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Looks like Artosis said that there were no problems on his end, despite some issues with technical difficulties with the beginning day. So maybe things aren't as bad as they seemed at the event?
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This is a interesting read...
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On November 11 2011 13:54 Packawana wrote:
Looks like Artosis said that there were no problems on his end, despite some issues with technical difficulties with the beginning day. So maybe things aren't as bad as they seemed at the event?
It was more behind the scenes where the issues were happening.
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On November 11 2011 13:54 Packawana wrote:
Looks like Artosis said that there were no problems on his end, despite some issues with technical difficulties with the beginning day. So maybe things aren't as bad as they seemed at the event?
As a guy in the audience, I can say that on day 2 everything looked fine. The thing is though, Gus was just walking around and according to Torch, just preparing his apology speech which turned out to be a "sorry, thank you, we pulled it off!" speech instead. If you really think about it, everything is NOT FINE when Torch and Justin had to take over the event and make everything work. Torch was fixing things ALL DAY. Should've been Gus.
I'm pretty sure its only two things: Tastosis isn't privy to all the other drama of the event, or more realistically, are trying to be professional about the whole matter. They were hired to do their job and they did it. If they got paid, they have no beef. Its not their place to get involved any further.
Day 2 of the event was awesome for the fans. Us Filipinos are very very thankful to Torch, Justin, the staff, AZK members, etc. for that.
F Guss, though.
Just my two cents. =)
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Yeah the Starcraft portion of the event was fine.
HoN part got majorly screwed though.
But the thing is, as mentioned, the reason the SC II portion went fine was because someone else took over. Volunteers took over the managing of the event. Of course, as expected of him, Gus took credit for it.
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I don't feel like reading through all the pages, but where is this 12k coming from? I don't recall plane tickets being that expensive o.0
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On November 11 2011 07:36 John Madden wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 06:38 Alpino wrote:On November 11 2011 03:41 Vagabond wrote:
Remember Gus wanted to go on Live on three lastnight, then just to happend to have a broken mic even tho he had a mac bookpro and iphone to do it with. He asked Slasher to go on not the other way around. Wow such a man, HE ASKED TO GO. Such a man. What can you define as a man, don't be spouting nonsense everywhere. I am sure gus still has male body parts even if they are probably small.
WHAT IS A MAN?!
A miserable little pile of secrets.
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This really sucks though, for pretty much everyone involved, down to people who where attendees and even just the streamviewers. I hope it gets sorted out in the best possible manner with punishments where they belong
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On November 11 2011 15:11 ranshaked wrote:
I don't feel like reading through all the pages, but where is this 12k coming from? I don't recall plane tickets being that expensive o.0
Well, they had to fly in quite a few progamers in, many from Korea, some from Australia, others from different areas of the Philipines. So I assume that's where the 12k comes from.
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On November 11 2011 13:54 Packawana wrote:
Looks like Artosis said that there were no problems on his end, despite some issues with technical difficulties with the beginning day. So maybe things aren't as bad as they seemed at the event?
I love Artosis, Tasteless, Day 9 etcetera ... but they are 'front-of-house' talent. They intentionally don't pay attention or want to get involved in production, management, logistics -- basically all the dirty work -- at a tournament.
To be frank, I wouldn't take them too seriously when they comment on who's-doing-what behind the scenes, or who's good at their job and who's not.
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On November 11 2011 13:45 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 12:36 Xpace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 03:19 Primadog wrote:On November 11 2011 02:32 chii wrote:
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Not my story to tell.
Some members do not want any information coming out as they want to settle matters without the attention.
The PPSL is a public event. Gus, the core, and the team made all of this public. Whatever the outcome of the event, good or bad, it will be public.
I understand wanting to keep some things private. To order a complete lockdown on information is a different matter. I hope Team AZK realize that an information lockdown, at this point, is the worst possible thing for them to do. Without coming clean, they're just as guilty as Gus in the public eye. Except they don't WANT to come out. I posted a screenshot of a simple Facebook conversation amongst them from their group page (set to PUBLIC VIEW) on TL and they raged. I don't get why they wanna keep it quiet, either you're right and they're as guilty as Gus (and somehow all the blame has fallen on one guy), or since this is a pretty big issue not just in the Philippines, they wanna be part of the cool kids who know the 'insider happenings', which is actually pretty immature (I really doubt this is the case, they should have really learned from IPL by now, especially how vocal IPL has been). Or maybe they just don't know how to handle the situation properly. Yeah I really don't understand the rest of Team AZK's actions. Not pointing blame at all the players/members, but just the higher ups. Where's their side of the story or statement? We get it, they also fucked up, but how fucked up was their hand at fucking it up (for lack of a better word I guess). Them not issuing any sort of formal written statement or going on record is actually bad for them. Granted most of the team was vicitmized but surely NEGLECT of Team AZK's duties as event organizers doesn't absolve them of guilt, albeit a lesser one compared to Gus. But now, it is like they are sitting on the sidelines "supposedly" fixing stuff and just washing themselves off of the issue since the sniper scope is on Gus. The community should at least be rational to expect a written/formal/recorded statement from them at least. Their is radio silence, from PPSL or Team AZK, we have heard nothing. Former members say he was a douche but that's really beside the point with regards to this issue. Where is the "TEAM" that was supposed to have organized this event, they have chosen to remain silent hoping that this blows over with them proclaiming that Gus is the sole guilty party on a Team AZK event?
Honestly, chances are that there will be no statement from the other higher ups in the team seeing as their names weren't given out (at least from my limited knowledge) unlike Gus. If they wanted to, they could just let this whole thing slide and change their character names and whatever and it'd be like a whole new beginning. I agree that there should be a statement from the other higher ups in the team, but there is no incentive for them to do so unfortunately.
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On November 11 2011 13:31 ProLagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 08:49 Shel wrote:
Guys, don't worry about IPL sponsoring other smaller events. All they require, according to David Ting on VVV Gamings show (I don't recall the date it aired on, but it was a few days ago) is a track record of successful LAN events. There's another company that runs LANs in the Phillipines, I think it's called Mineske. There is also the guy who ran the Australian qualifier for the PPSL, Dox, who has been running online tourneys for quite a while, and has a plan to gradually run larger and larger ones until they're internationally known.
David Ting said on VVV Gaming's show, that IPL is already in talks with both Mineske and Dox to sponsor their events in some fashion. So many people are saying the PPSL was harmful to SEA. It was harmful to eSports as a whole, and to the individuals who have been screwed over, but it has only HELPED SEA. Now we all know that SEA is there. We know they have dedicated and hard working players who went above and beyond to try and save a sinking ship. We know they are a community that cares about each other and supports each other, as seen in multiple stories and story lines surrounding this event. SEA is simply awesome, and this attention has brought an awareness of them and a sympathy for them throughout the gaming world. The next time SEA puts on a major event, everyone will be watching. This is just the beginning of their story, not the end. This is actually smart ( Track record of successful LAN events). It's good to know that they are getting stricter with this. To be honest PPSL only ruins SEA esports temporarily, but I believe that it is good for esports in the Philippines and SEA in the long term. Eventually this "issues" get resolved and the show goes on. Mineski, has indeed hosted A LOT of successful events, such as the Pinoy Gaming Festival + Show Spoiler +http://www.mineski.net/pgf It was indeed successful and there were no delays. Good and smooth event all in all. The eSports community here in the Philippines is really, really big. Especially for DotA, and of course, growing for Starcraft 2, Mineski is doing a good job advertising Starcraft 2 here, PGF had its starcraft 2 tourney as well.
I agree that Mineski has been able to host some good LAN events, especially when you are watching on the venue. But I think the production/experience/manpower on providing an international quality stream isn't quite there yet. A lot of it might just be lack of budget (I feel like audio/video equipment used is old/subpar), but on a lot of points like transitions on stream, experience of casters in front of the camera and a few other points would still need a lot of work.
Not to take anything away from Mineski but I think broadcast quality is equally as important as the experience within the venue, especially if you are trying to reach something beyond the local audience.
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On November 11 2011 14:49 v98235 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 13:54 Packawana wrote:
Looks like Artosis said that there were no problems on his end, despite some issues with technical difficulties with the beginning day. So maybe things aren't as bad as they seemed at the event? As a guy in the audience, I can say that on day 2 everything looked fine. The thing is though, Gus was just walking around and according to Torch, just preparing his apology speech which turned out to be a "sorry, thank you, we pulled it off!" speech instead. If you really think about it, everything is NOT FINE when Torch and Justin had to take over the event and make everything work. Torch was fixing things ALL DAY. Should've been Gus. I'm pretty sure its only two things: Tastosis isn't privy to all the other drama of the event, or more realistically, are trying to be professional about the whole matter. They were hired to do their job and they did it. If they got paid, they have no beef. Its not their place to get involved any further. Day 2 of the event was awesome for the fans. Us Filipinos are very very thankful to Torch, Justin, the staff, AZK members, etc. for that. F Guss, though. Just my two cents. =)
Yes maybe some people had a better experience but i think the true story is that many people got screwed over by Gus....
Link:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641¤tpage=18#350
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"add to this, even the staff of AZK felt that we got scammed, Gus who we think has all the funds for this event, and the one who promised us that he will pay us, didn't pay us at all.
It's so sad that we the staff, did our best to make things work out, and the spotlight for hate is turned to us.
On the first day of the event, Gus was nowhere to be found. He arrived late on the event. And it was a great thing Torch was there. I am a staff member, but I would like to speak on behalf of the staff members, who didn't even got the chance to EAT (since he didn't give a fuck if we ate or not) or got even paid as promised.
this is really disappointing and sad.. pointing all the blame to team azk, without knowing what really was happening even between the members and Gus. It is unfair to tell everyone here that the leaders just disappeared,its not fair to judge everything by what you see without even knowing what really happen, THEY DIDN'T DISAPPEAR. They went out to look for a computer cafe with (2 group brackets--8players) so that they could finish all the games in TIME (since there is really nothing good if they wait until the computer/internet's fixed).
And about the HoN tournament, we were asking for Gus's Decision whether we push through the tournament, but he insisted NO. being his staff members, we follow his orders since we are just merely staff members. With this incident, we sincerely apologize, we can't do anything about it even if we wanted to make it happen, GUS wouldn't allow us, he just insisted NO and that we should push through the SC2 Tournament.
We, his own staff members also feel that we got scammed for not being paid (or even given the budget for food and drinks the least) and on behalf of my team, we are really frustrated, tired and disappointed at his leadership. When he arrived late at the venue, he doesn't seem to be on the right mind to lead us.
So on behalf of our staff team, we are very sorry to provide you a lack-luster tournament. Thank you to those people who stepped up and lead the way, and we are very thankful to have Torch on our team that time. Even us staff members are puzzled and looking for answers to what the fuck happen to the funds, I see a lot of things, heard a lot of things, UNNECESSARY THINGS that he has been spending on. /rantoff"
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@XRaDiiX: Please just post a link if you want to point people to that one post you are always repeating. I have seen you post the same shit a half dozen times, and each time I have to check if you found something new, or if it again is only a worthless repeat of the same text. -.-
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I'm going to the Philippines this December. A vacation and a mission. Finding Gus Ladesma.
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On November 09 2011 09:32 zimz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:29 youngminii wrote:
I'm not gonna lie. This is what happens when you invest in SEA, for SC2 anyway. It's just not worth it, I'm not trying to be racist or anything but the scene over here is stupidly far behind the rest of the world. This doesn't apply to all games obviously.
Also, I got my pitchfork ready, let's get this show on the road. Its a Philippines issue, don't blame SEA in it.
Not Philippines entirely, Just Gus and AZK.
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On November 11 2011 15:34 Zraf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 13:31 ProLagger wrote:On November 11 2011 08:49 Shel wrote:
Guys, don't worry about IPL sponsoring other smaller events. All they require, according to David Ting on VVV Gamings show (I don't recall the date it aired on, but it was a few days ago) is a track record of successful LAN events. There's another company that runs LANs in the Phillipines, I think it's called Mineske. There is also the guy who ran the Australian qualifier for the PPSL, Dox, who has been running online tourneys for quite a while, and has a plan to gradually run larger and larger ones until they're internationally known.
David Ting said on VVV Gaming's show, that IPL is already in talks with both Mineske and Dox to sponsor their events in some fashion. So many people are saying the PPSL was harmful to SEA. It was harmful to eSports as a whole, and to the individuals who have been screwed over, but it has only HELPED SEA. Now we all know that SEA is there. We know they have dedicated and hard working players who went above and beyond to try and save a sinking ship. We know they are a community that cares about each other and supports each other, as seen in multiple stories and story lines surrounding this event. SEA is simply awesome, and this attention has brought an awareness of them and a sympathy for them throughout the gaming world. The next time SEA puts on a major event, everyone will be watching. This is just the beginning of their story, not the end. This is actually smart ( Track record of successful LAN events). It's good to know that they are getting stricter with this. To be honest PPSL only ruins SEA esports temporarily, but I believe that it is good for esports in the Philippines and SEA in the long term. Eventually this "issues" get resolved and the show goes on. Mineski, has indeed hosted A LOT of successful events, such as the Pinoy Gaming Festival + Show Spoiler +http://www.mineski.net/pgf It was indeed successful and there were no delays. Good and smooth event all in all. The eSports community here in the Philippines is really, really big. Especially for DotA, and of course, growing for Starcraft 2, Mineski is doing a good job advertising Starcraft 2 here, PGF had its starcraft 2 tourney as well. I agree that Mineski has been able to host some good LAN events, especially when you are watching on the venue. But I think the production/experience/manpower on providing an international quality stream isn't quite there yet. A lot of it might just be lack of budget (I feel like audio/video equipment used is old/subpar), but on a lot of points like transitions on stream, experience of casters in front of the camera and a few other points would still need a lot of work. Not to take anything away from Mineski but I think broadcast quality is equally as important as the experience within the venue, especially if you are trying to reach something beyond the local audience.
Manpower? Manpower is not a problem at all, Mineski is not team azk where only 1 guy does everything lol. International quality stream can be fixed, it's just bandwidth problems. All they need is better internet connection to get that 720p-1080p. I do agree about the Audio equipment. Let us be honest, it gets better and better. eSports here in the Philippines is just growing after all. Give it around 6 months or a year. I assure you that It will be better than ever before. At least they are experienced, all they need is materials for the certain event they are going to host/make sooner or later.
and thanks for your opinion. I hope someone from Mineski reads this and fix the audio/video problems asap.  .
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On November 11 2011 17:24 ProLagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 15:34 Zraf wrote:On November 11 2011 13:31 ProLagger wrote:On November 11 2011 08:49 Shel wrote:
Guys, don't worry about IPL sponsoring other smaller events. All they require, according to David Ting on VVV Gamings show (I don't recall the date it aired on, but it was a few days ago) is a track record of successful LAN events. There's another company that runs LANs in the Phillipines, I think it's called Mineske. There is also the guy who ran the Australian qualifier for the PPSL, Dox, who has been running online tourneys for quite a while, and has a plan to gradually run larger and larger ones until they're internationally known.
David Ting said on VVV Gaming's show, that IPL is already in talks with both Mineske and Dox to sponsor their events in some fashion. So many people are saying the PPSL was harmful to SEA. It was harmful to eSports as a whole, and to the individuals who have been screwed over, but it has only HELPED SEA. Now we all know that SEA is there. We know they have dedicated and hard working players who went above and beyond to try and save a sinking ship. We know they are a community that cares about each other and supports each other, as seen in multiple stories and story lines surrounding this event. SEA is simply awesome, and this attention has brought an awareness of them and a sympathy for them throughout the gaming world. The next time SEA puts on a major event, everyone will be watching. This is just the beginning of their story, not the end. This is actually smart ( Track record of successful LAN events). It's good to know that they are getting stricter with this. To be honest PPSL only ruins SEA esports temporarily, but I believe that it is good for esports in the Philippines and SEA in the long term. Eventually this "issues" get resolved and the show goes on. Mineski, has indeed hosted A LOT of successful events, such as the Pinoy Gaming Festival + Show Spoiler +http://www.mineski.net/pgf It was indeed successful and there were no delays. Good and smooth event all in all. The eSports community here in the Philippines is really, really big. Especially for DotA, and of course, growing for Starcraft 2, Mineski is doing a good job advertising Starcraft 2 here, PGF had its starcraft 2 tourney as well. I agree that Mineski has been able to host some good LAN events, especially when you are watching on the venue. But I think the production/experience/manpower on providing an international quality stream isn't quite there yet. A lot of it might just be lack of budget (I feel like audio/video equipment used is old/subpar), but on a lot of points like transitions on stream, experience of casters in front of the camera and a few other points would still need a lot of work. Not to take anything away from Mineski but I think broadcast quality is equally as important as the experience within the venue, especially if you are trying to reach something beyond the local audience. Manpower? Manpower is not a problem at all, Mineski is not team azk where only 1 guy does everything lol. International quality stream can be fixed, it's just bandwidth problems. All they need is better internet connection to get that 720p-1080p. I do agree about the Audio equipment. Let us be honest, it gets better and better. eSports here in the Philippines is just growing after all. Give it around 6 months or a year. I assure you that It will be better than ever before. At least they are experienced, all they need is materials for the certain event they are going to host/make sooner or later. and thanks for your opinion. I hope someone from Mineski reads this and fix the audio/video problems asap. .
Personally I'd much prefer it if we take it slow this time 
Before all this I never really cared much about the SEA scene, but after this whole fiasco I've really come to appreciate the SEA scene more after reading about all the passionate people dedicated to making things work.
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