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WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
November 11 2011 11:03 GMT
#1001
ouff . need a little more organisation
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
v98235
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines8 Posts
November 11 2011 13:20 GMT
#1002
On November 11 2011 19:54 Jojo131 wrote:


Personally I'd much prefer it if we take it slow this time
Before all this I never really cared much about the SEA scene, but after this whole fiasco I've really come to appreciate the SEA scene more after reading about all the passionate people dedicated to making things work.


Im with you on this one. I was never really active here or in the local scene. But this event woke me up and taught me that I actually DO care about the SC2 scene locally. So much so that I actually want to help out in any capacity.

When you say taking it slow- I thought of a bi-monthly or quarterly sort of local SC2 event just for the Philippines where event organizers can get really good with the event and streams...culminating in a year/season ender grand finals. If only we could find an organizer for this kind of thing in the Philippines...
How you do anything is how you do everything.
Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
November 11 2011 14:57 GMT
#1003
On November 11 2011 17:24 ProLagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 15:34 Zraf wrote:
On November 11 2011 13:31 ProLagger wrote:
On November 11 2011 08:49 Shel wrote:
Guys, don't worry about IPL sponsoring other smaller events. All they require, according to David Ting on VVV Gamings show (I don't recall the date it aired on, but it was a few days ago) is a track record of successful LAN events. There's another company that runs LANs in the Phillipines, I think it's called Mineske. There is also the guy who ran the Australian qualifier for the PPSL, Dox, who has been running online tourneys for quite a while, and has a plan to gradually run larger and larger ones until they're internationally known.

David Ting said on VVV Gaming's show, that IPL is already in talks with both Mineske and Dox to sponsor their events in some fashion. So many people are saying the PPSL was harmful to SEA. It was harmful to eSports as a whole, and to the individuals who have been screwed over, but it has only HELPED SEA. Now we all know that SEA is there. We know they have dedicated and hard working players who went above and beyond to try and save a sinking ship. We know they are a community that cares about each other and supports each other, as seen in multiple stories and story lines surrounding this event. SEA is simply awesome, and this attention has brought an awareness of them and a sympathy for them throughout the gaming world. The next time SEA puts on a major event, everyone will be watching. This is just the beginning of their story, not the end.



This is actually smart ( Track record of successful LAN events). It's good to know that they are getting stricter with this. To be honest PPSL only ruins SEA esports temporarily, but I believe that it is good for esports in the Philippines and SEA in the long term. Eventually this "issues" get resolved and the show goes on.

Mineski, has indeed hosted A LOT of successful events, such as the Pinoy Gaming Festival

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.mineski.net/pgf


It was indeed successful and there were no delays. Good and smooth event all in all. The eSports community here in the Philippines is really, really big. Especially for DotA, and of course, growing for Starcraft 2, Mineski is doing a good job advertising Starcraft 2 here, PGF had its starcraft 2 tourney as well.


I agree that Mineski has been able to host some good LAN events, especially when you are watching on the venue. But I think the production/experience/manpower on providing an international quality stream isn't quite there yet. A lot of it might just be lack of budget (I feel like audio/video equipment used is old/subpar), but on a lot of points like transitions on stream, experience of casters in front of the camera and a few other points would still need a lot of work.

Not to take anything away from Mineski but I think broadcast quality is equally as important as the experience within the venue, especially if you are trying to reach something beyond the local audience.



Manpower? Manpower is not a problem at all, Mineski is not team azk where only 1 guy does everything lol. International quality stream can be fixed, it's just bandwidth problems. All they need is better internet connection to get that 720p-1080p. I do agree about the Audio equipment. Let us be honest, it gets better and better. eSports here in the Philippines is just growing after all. Give it around 6 months or a year. I assure you that It will be better than ever before. At least they are experienced, all they need is materials for the certain event they are going to host/make sooner or later.

and thanks for your opinion. I hope someone from Mineski reads this and fix the audio/video problems asap. .


I agree with what you said, my point is that I think they are capable but still have a lot of work ahead of them with regards to online broadcasting. They are definitely competent on running events, but I think some or the comments about them are exaggerated. I just don't want too much hype going into the local scene that might not meet expectations regarding the production quality of the stream.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
November 11 2011 20:45 GMT
#1004
It's unfortunate that people's attention on this seems to be dying down because that is exactly what Gus Ledesma wants. This thread needs to be kept up until Gus Ledesma admits to what he's done and cleans up after all the mess he's created.
GrapeApe
Profile Joined March 2011
1053 Posts
November 11 2011 20:49 GMT
#1005
What are the most recent updates on this ordeal? Has anything been moved forward or is everyone still just...waiting.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 11 2011 21:08 GMT
#1006
On November 12 2011 05:49 GrapeApe wrote:
What are the most recent updates on this ordeal? Has anything been moved forward or is everyone still just...waiting.

I did not see updates on the current situation anywhere. I guess there are no new revelations and nothing is resolved either.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 12 2011 19:03 GMT
#1007
On November 12 2011 05:45 Sein wrote:
It's unfortunate that people's attention on this seems to be dying down because that is exactly what Gus Ledesma wants. This thread needs to be kept up until Gus Ledesma admits to what he's done and cleans up after all the mess he's created.


Yeah I wonder where the amanda updates are. Can't let this thread die and be forgotten. That's what gus wants!
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S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
November 12 2011 19:08 GMT
#1008
Updates?
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
November 12 2011 20:23 GMT
#1009
On November 12 2011 05:45 Sein wrote:
It's unfortunate that people's attention on this seems to be dying down because that is exactly what Gus Ledesma wants. This thread needs to be kept up until Gus Ledesma admits to what he's done and cleans up after all the mess he's created.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if he never showed up again.
TheGunrun
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States98 Posts
November 12 2011 21:42 GMT
#1010
Amanda still hasn't yet been paid for the plane tickets, nor have I been paid back yet for bailing Clive out.

Once everything's resolved I'll provide a timeline of events.
One vision, One Purpose!
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
November 12 2011 21:47 GMT
#1011
On November 13 2011 06:42 TheGunrun wrote:
Amanda still hasn't yet been paid for the plane tickets, nor have I been paid back yet for bailing Clive out.

Once everything's resolved I'll provide a timeline of events.


have you been able to contact gus?
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Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
November 12 2011 22:25 GMT
#1012
has anyone tried using their website/forums?
http://www.teamazk.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=showcat&catid=16&Itemid=521

we should all start threads about this whole disaster and keep the issue alive on their website. Im willing to bet theyll delete threads that could harm their reputation but we should keep making them to let them know that the SC2 community wont stop asking questions until they start answering
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
November 12 2011 22:29 GMT
#1013
On November 13 2011 06:42 TheGunrun wrote:
Amanda still hasn't yet been paid for the plane tickets, nor have I been paid back yet for bailing Clive out.

Once everything's resolved I'll provide a timeline of events.


Thanks for the update. I really hope Amanda doesn't end up in jail.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
November 12 2011 22:39 GMT
#1014
Keep us updated.

I am still waiting for more facts from Team AZK guys. Operating under the assumption that Gus will be AWOL, that's the best source of facts right now.
Thank God and gunrun.
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 13 2011 00:28 GMT
#1015
i feel like Gus is lawyering up or something
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 13 2011 00:35 GMT
#1016
I'm an avid follower of BW scene, however this stuff is terrible! How on Earth did this guy gets to work with you?
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
threehundred
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada911 Posts
November 13 2011 05:14 GMT
#1017
he probably is lawyering up, still a lot of people not paid or at least talked with (myself included)
KimTaeyeon MEDIC MU fighting! ^^;;
threehundred
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada911 Posts
November 13 2011 05:29 GMT
#1018
my fun bias stepping in

On November 09 2011 03:15 leadsniper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 03:02 Arrietty wrote:
You know, all these things have got me thinking: Considering all he has done has looked very seedy and suspicious, how was this guy able to get so many sponsors?!


Step 1: He established his name in the Philippines E-sports scene by making a team.
- terrible graphics work

Step 2: Gain recognition by organizing small events and pulling it off
- open invitational hyped rachel quirico + no prizepool guarantee
- cisco systems inhouse tourney hyped as winner gets flight to korea to compete in the gsl rofl
- BSG tournament sponsors pulled out, winner was an offracing diamond player

Step 3: Acquire talent from other countries
- promise them money and not pay for it (no contracts involved), name drop

Step 4: With foundation, flood the message boards to get international attention
- fucking fail posting on teamliquid, nobody knew about their organization when they did an old 'MULTIPLE ANNOUNCEMENT THREAD' introducing a third to the last online 'selective invitational qualifier'
- NAME DROP HIS FACEBOOK WALL(S), meeting with the gsl guys, the fxo lads are here

Step 5: Make friends from other organizing bodies
- locally? LOL really? that's why he failed, you think he's friends the mineski guys?
- internationally? just name drop even more

Step 6: Step 1-5 he was able to get IGN - IPL 3 qualifiers/ he was also a part in the PGF with mineski gaming
- wtf since when did he have part in the PGF? where you get this source? IGN came to him or either way around
gus had the 'promise' to bring tastetosis and actual good players over (well not all and selectively at least), he did
deliver on this part

Step 7: Step 1-6, he used that to get a lot of sponsors
- yup just use your hype to generate sponsors, it's just a wake-up call for references. BUT THEN AGAIN YOU CAN EXPECT SOME CORRUPTION. eg. 'hey you want to sponsor my event? give me 250k, 50k aside for you...' it's a daily business practice for sure, that doesn't just happen in the philippines

KimTaeyeon MEDIC MU fighting! ^^;;
Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 13 2011 06:57 GMT
#1019
Gus got to work with IPL by having the PPSL fall on the same day as IPL3. I don't think it actually did though. What David Ting said at IPL3 was that his event was on the same weekend as IPL3. Because of that, he said two events had to cancel. One was PPSL, the other was Devastation. Devastation didn't cancel the event, but they were having an SC2 tourney for the first time at one of their events and David actually requested that they cancel that.

To make up for the cancellation of the Devastation SC2 tourney and the PPSL, David said he would sponsor both events. Lots of people on his staff (by the way he made it sound in a recent interview, his entire staff) told him sponsoring PPSL was a bad idea because Gus had zero proof that he had enough experience to pull something like this off. But David told his staff "just trust him". David said that he was too trusting, a quality that is just a part of who he is, and that he has now learned his lesson and won't make the same mistake again.

There is a question here though. There were no posts about the PPSL being at the same time as IPL3. There was no publicity for it. No one who has come forward to relay their concerns has said that PPSL was ever scheduled for any date before the one it ended up landing on. The Australian qualifier was put into motion around the middle of September, if I'm getting Dox's timeline right. Was it scheduled way back in August for October? I don't understand what's going on here.
There is no spoon
_Depression
Profile Joined October 2011
United States251 Posts
November 13 2011 07:19 GMT
#1020
On November 13 2011 15:57 Shel wrote:
Gus got to work with IPL by having the PPSL fall on the same day as IPL3. I don't think it actually did though. What David Ting said at IPL3 was that his event was on the same weekend as IPL3. Because of that, he said two events had to cancel. One was PPSL, the other was Devastation. Devastation didn't cancel the event, but they were having an SC2 tourney for the first time at one of their events and David actually requested that they cancel that.

To make up for the cancellation of the Devastation SC2 tourney and the PPSL, David said he would sponsor both events. Lots of people on his staff (by the way he made it sound in a recent interview, his entire staff) told him sponsoring PPSL was a bad idea because Gus had zero proof that he had enough experience to pull something like this off. But David told his staff "just trust him". David said that he was too trusting, a quality that is just a part of who he is, and that he has now learned his lesson and won't make the same mistake again.

There is a question here though. There were no posts about the PPSL being at the same time as IPL3. There was no publicity for it. No one who has come forward to relay their concerns has said that PPSL was ever scheduled for any date before the one it ended up landing on. The Australian qualifier was put into motion around the middle of September, if I'm getting Dox's timeline right. Was it scheduled way back in August for October? I don't understand what's going on here.


The date for PPSL changed multiple times, according to Dox in his blog. The PPSL announcement on AZK's website still says that the event would be in October, but as early as September 1 the event was scheduled for November (as dated in Dox's blog post), so the whole PPSL > IPL shift must have happened even sooner than that.
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