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Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
November 08 2011 00:20 GMT
#81
I couldn't see exactly what Starcraft Master portrait is. Can anyone see it? All I see is blue square
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 08 2011 00:20 GMT
#82
Yeahhhhhhhhhhh! I hate ghosts. I entered a slump when a terran made 10ghosts and raped me TT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Caliber
Profile Joined August 2010
United States598 Posts
November 08 2011 00:20 GMT
#83
On November 08 2011 08:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
well I was running into players that were already destroying all my ghosts anyway in tvp
now if I get Gapris in kr ladder ill just quit game at loading screen...



practice ur micro and macro and ull do fine!
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
November 08 2011 00:21 GMT
#84
On November 08 2011 09:11 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:08 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:01 hasuterrans wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:56 Cyro wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:55 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:50 avilo wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:35 Deleuze wrote:
Hopefully TvP will be a little more balanced now, though we'll have to see whether the upgrades buff burns my zerg ass...


It already was balanced, except late game which was already heavily P favored and is so now even more. It will be interesting to see how soon the forge patch changes are reverted.

EMP everyone complained about, so blizzard changed it, and that change was arguable. Overall, this patch reminds me of the biggest patch change mistake of SC2 so far - nerfing tank damage.


your funny you should be a comedian your jokes are really good



I think it was a LITTLE bit out of hand, but mech vs bio and protoss is so much harder to play now, maybe it was too much


edit: to clarify, im pretty sure splash radius and splash damage was nerfed significantly alongside damage




Not relevant video. The issue was TvZ and TvP not TvT...the nerf he is talking about is tanks doing less damage to light units.

edit: shouldn't have replied, no need to derail for a siege tank balance discussion

I think he is talking about the vs armored nerf ( from 60 to 50). This is the one that makes marauders Godly and near impposible to mech TvP. The vs light nerf was fair imo.

Nervous about the cheap upgrades.


Didn't Tanks made 60 straight up damage?

IIRC the nerf was from 60 to 35 with + 15 to armoured

Yeah they did. That was OP for sure. But after they nerfed them from (60/60 to 50/50) they also nerfed them to (50/35). Some people think they should have reverted to 60 vs armored after the second nerf (60/35) Hope that makes sense :p
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:24:29
November 08 2011 00:21 GMT
#85
On November 08 2011 09:14 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:12 hasuterrans wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:03 Cyro wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:01 hasuterrans wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:56 Cyro wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:55 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:50 avilo wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:35 Deleuze wrote:
Hopefully TvP will be a little more balanced now, though we'll have to see whether the upgrades buff burns my zerg ass...


It already was balanced, except late game which was already heavily P favored and is so now even more. It will be interesting to see how soon the forge patch changes are reverted.

EMP everyone complained about, so blizzard changed it, and that change was arguable. Overall, this patch reminds me of the biggest patch change mistake of SC2 so far - nerfing tank damage.


your funny you should be a comedian your jokes are really good



I think it was a LITTLE bit out of hand, but mech vs bio and protoss is so much harder to play now, maybe it was too much


edit: to clarify, im pretty sure splash radius and splash damage was nerfed significantly alongside damage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0dEexJqTc


Not relevant video. The issue was TvZ and TvP not TvT...the nerf he is talking about is tanks doing less damage to light units.




Marines are light units. Honestly i dont see tanks doing more damage to light being a game breaker in TvZ, you already 1shot zerglings and hydralisks are not exactly useful vs tanks, unless you mean the splash radius?


For TvP i completely agree though


In your video the marines don't even have combat shield or stim and they aren't micro'd...I really don't understand the point of that video. Stim + micro could take those tanks out. I agree it was less of an issue TvZ.




If Stim and Micro would have won that battle, the game would be broken.


I'm fairly confident I could kill those tanks if the marines had stim and shields. So the game is broken then? But wait, that would imply marines are OP not tanks...

edit: I'd go so far as to say most masters terran could kill those 19 tanks with 200+ stimmed marines
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:24:49
November 08 2011 00:23 GMT
#86
On November 08 2011 09:16 ToguRo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:04 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So basically every Terran who isn't a Korean GM will be losing TvPs even more.

I recognise the need for changes for the pros, it's just a shame that everyone else is going to have issues. Hopefully Terrans can figure out a way to play, because TvP is really hard at non-pro level, at least as far as I'm concerned.


too bad .... this game should never ever be balanced to cater for lower levels .... whatever league you are in on the ladder is where you deserve to be no matter what you will have a 50% win rate so whats the problem ?

As others have said, TvP just feels horrible in general. It's hard to put my finger on why, but I think the issue is the Marauder and, of less importance, the Colossus being horrible units to play with and against.

I absolutely recognise the need to balance the game at the pro level and never suggested anything different.


Edit: Considering responses to my posts, I have no idea whether people actually bother reading what others post before hitting the reply button or not. : /
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
November 08 2011 00:25 GMT
#87
About damn time!!! Be aware ghost, here come my HTs:D
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:26:21
November 08 2011 00:26 GMT
#88
On November 08 2011 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:16 ToguRo wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:04 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So basically every Terran who isn't a Korean GM will be losing TvPs even more.

I recognise the need for changes for the pros, it's just a shame that everyone else is going to have issues. Hopefully Terrans can figure out a way to play, because TvP is really hard at non-pro level, at least as far as I'm concerned.


too bad .... this game should never ever be balanced to cater for lower levels .... whatever league you are in on the ladder is where you deserve to be no matter what you will have a 50% win rate so whats the problem ?

As others have said, TvP just feels horrible in general. It's hard to put my finger on why, but I think the issue is the Marauder and, of less importance, the Colossus being horrible units to play with and against.

I absolutely recognise the need to balance the game at the pro level and never suggested anything different.


Edit: Considering responses to my posts, I have no idea whether people actually bother reading what others post before hitting the reply button or not. : /


It's a patch thread. Right now we're at the argue/whine about your race phase. Soon the thread will mostly be 50 pages of flame wars.
Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:27:20
November 08 2011 00:26 GMT
#89
On November 08 2011 09:25 tuho12345 wrote:
About damn time!!! Be aware ghost, here come my HTs:D

I don't understand this, do people think the game will magically change in one night and ghosts will do nothing against your ht's, and they will win all PvT's? Don't worry ht's are small enough....
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44299 Posts
November 08 2011 00:27 GMT
#90
On November 08 2011 09:26 Kroml. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:25 tuho12345 wrote:
About damn time!!! Be aware ghost, here come my HTs:D

I don't understand this, do people think the game will magically change in one night and ghosts will do nothing against your ht's, and you will win all your PvT's? Don't worry ht's are small enough....


Plus, ghosts still outrange HTs
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:32:02
November 08 2011 00:28 GMT
#91
On November 08 2011 09:21 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:11 windsupernova wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:08 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:01 hasuterrans wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:56 Cyro wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:55 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:50 avilo wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:35 Deleuze wrote:
Hopefully TvP will be a little more balanced now, though we'll have to see whether the upgrades buff burns my zerg ass...


It already was balanced, except late game which was already heavily P favored and is so now even more. It will be interesting to see how soon the forge patch changes are reverted.

EMP everyone complained about, so blizzard changed it, and that change was arguable. Overall, this patch reminds me of the biggest patch change mistake of SC2 so far - nerfing tank damage.


your funny you should be a comedian your jokes are really good



I think it was a LITTLE bit out of hand, but mech vs bio and protoss is so much harder to play now, maybe it was too much


edit: to clarify, im pretty sure splash radius and splash damage was nerfed significantly alongside damage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0dEexJqTc


Not relevant video. The issue was TvZ and TvP not TvT...the nerf he is talking about is tanks doing less damage to light units.

edit: shouldn't have replied, no need to derail for a siege tank balance discussion

I think he is talking about the vs armored nerf ( from 60 to 50). This is the one that makes marauders Godly and near impposible to mech TvP. The vs light nerf was fair imo.

Nervous about the cheap upgrades.


Oh yeah of course. I actually agree, tanks feel pretty underwhelming in SC2. 60 to armoured would be a cool change. Hell make it to 70 and make tanks the imba POS unit they were in BW

Didn't Tanks made 60 straight up damage?

IIRC the nerf was from 60 to 35 with + 15 to armoured

Yeah they did. That was OP for sure. But after they nerfed them from (60/60 to 50/50) they also nerfed them to (50/35). Some people think they should have reverted to 60 vs armored after the second nerf (60/35) Hope that makes sense :p


Yeah 60 vs armoured sounds pretty good. Tanks feel pretty underwhelming in SC2
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:31:09
November 08 2011 00:30 GMT
#92
I don't give a shit to ladder, I know everything can be balanced by just playing a little better in my games...

but I watch more than play games and I can only hope for more pro protoss in code S...

badog
iLike413
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada100 Posts
November 08 2011 00:34 GMT
#93
On November 08 2011 09:28 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:21 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:11 windsupernova wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:08 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On November 08 2011 09:01 hasuterrans wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:56 Cyro wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:55 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:50 avilo wrote:
On November 08 2011 08:35 Deleuze wrote:
Hopefully TvP will be a little more balanced now, though we'll have to see whether the upgrades buff burns my zerg ass...


It already was balanced, except late game which was already heavily P favored and is so now even more. It will be interesting to see how soon the forge patch changes are reverted.

EMP everyone complained about, so blizzard changed it, and that change was arguable. Overall, this patch reminds me of the biggest patch change mistake of SC2 so far - nerfing tank damage.


your funny you should be a comedian your jokes are really good



I think it was a LITTLE bit out of hand, but mech vs bio and protoss is so much harder to play now, maybe it was too much


edit: to clarify, im pretty sure splash radius and splash damage was nerfed significantly alongside damage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0dEexJqTc


Not relevant video. The issue was TvZ and TvP not TvT...the nerf he is talking about is tanks doing less damage to light units.

edit: shouldn't have replied, no need to derail for a siege tank balance discussion

I think he is talking about the vs armored nerf ( from 60 to 50). This is the one that makes marauders Godly and near impposible to mech TvP. The vs light nerf was fair imo.

Nervous about the cheap upgrades.


Oh yeah of course. I actually agree, tanks feel pretty underwhelming in SC2. 60 to armoured would be a cool change. Hell make it to 70 and make tanks the imba POS unit they were in BW

Didn't Tanks made 60 straight up damage?

IIRC the nerf was from 60 to 35 with + 15 to armoured

Yeah they did. That was OP for sure. But after they nerfed them from (60/60 to 50/50) they also nerfed them to (50/35). Some people think they should have reverted to 60 vs armored after the second nerf (60/35) Hope that makes sense :p


Yeah 60 vs armoured sounds pretty good. Tanks feel pretty underwhelming in SC2


Nah, in that case it they would have to revert the warpgate change and pylon radius change.
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
November 08 2011 00:35 GMT
#94
not sure if i prefer defending timing pushes as zerg against more units, or less units with quicker upgrades
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
November 08 2011 00:36 GMT
#95
Sad at terran TvP nerfs,

SUPER Happy at my new portrait,

Super happy > Sad

so I guess I am pretty fucken happy about the portrait I can bear the TvP nerfs
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
ckunkel1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States181 Posts
November 08 2011 00:37 GMT
#96
Only good change is the ghost emp. The upgrade changes are going to make getting upgrades so much easier for protoss, who already have it easy with chronoboost. Especially when almost no protoss uses chronoboost past the first 10 minutes.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 00:39:43
November 08 2011 00:38 GMT
#97
On November 08 2011 09:36 Blasterion wrote:
Sad at terran TvP nerfs,

SUPER Happy at my new portrait,

Super happy > Sad

so I guess I am pretty fucken happy about the portrait I can bear the TvP nerfs


Reading this, I think blizzard might be cleverer than we thought

We will see how the patch will influence the balance, hopefully it will get better.

edit:
On November 08 2011 09:37 AdAckbar wrote:
Only good change is the ghost emp. The upgrade changes are going to make getting upgrades so much easier for protoss, who already have it easy with chronoboost. Especially when almost no protoss uses chronoboost past the first 10 minutes.


I don't really think getting 2nd upgrades 25/25 cheaper will really influence much.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
November 08 2011 00:38 GMT
#98
On November 08 2011 09:37 AdAckbar wrote:
Only good change is the ghost emp. The upgrade changes are going to make getting upgrades so much easier for protoss, who already have it easy with chronoboost. Especially when almost no protoss uses chronoboost past the first 10 minutes.

well to be fair, the big thing about upgrade is the time, not the price, I don't see too much problem with the upgrades
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 08 2011 00:39 GMT
#99
On November 08 2011 09:37 AdAckbar wrote:
Only good change is the ghost emp. The upgrade changes are going to make getting upgrades so much easier for protoss, who already have it easy with chronoboost. Especially when almost no protoss uses chronoboost past the first 10 minutes.

That extra stalker by the time we get 3-0-3 is going to be so imba, right?
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
SovietHammer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States166 Posts
November 08 2011 00:39 GMT
#100
Wlep, time to practice marine, tank, banshee micro.
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