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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
On November 08 2011 09:47 Horseballs wrote: So if you think it is so trivial that it doesn't matter, then why not keep the price the way it was? What kind of backward ass logic is that? His point is that such a miniscule decrease in cost will barely have an impact, but obviously is better than no change at all.... | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On November 08 2011 09:58 DTK920 wrote: To protest this patch I shall go 1/1/1 every game and collect some zealot tears  . In fact I wouldn't be surprised if more terrans abandon bio ball for faster wins. Cost change seems pointless though... basically means an extra probe or twoYou should mass lose instead and try to bring the Terran win rate down.  Winning with 1/1/1 over and over will just get us nerfed again. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46275 Posts
On November 08 2011 09:58 Sabu113 wrote: Have you just seen how stalkers respond to upgrades? They just become unbeatable! LOL yeah totally Hahaha For those who were curious: Parentheses = + per upgrade: Attack Ground Attack: 10(+1) Ground DPS: 6.9 (+0.7) Air Attack: 10(+1) Air DPS: 6.9 (+0.7) Bonus: +4 vs Armored Bonus DPS: +2.8 vs Armored Range: 6 Cooldown: 1.44 Defense 80 80 1 (+1) ~http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stalker#Upgrades | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 08 2011 09:42 Zephirdd wrote: A PANDA is the avatar? really? Aww man I was hoping for some epic DemonHunter avatar, and they gave me a freaking PANDA? Why not give the WoW crossovers... in WoW years? I mean, a murloc was the avatar for the Cataclysm release, so a D3 crossover should be the avatar to the year prior D3 release, right? Why a panda? T_T rants aside, couldn't care less about this update. I guess ghosts nerfed makes me a happier Zerg. Well most Blizzcon this year was about the new World of Warcraft expansion so yea. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On November 08 2011 09:54 Dbla08 wrote: hm so now protoss not only has the most cost effective units, but also the cheapest, best scaling upgrades, and they can get them faster than anyone else. emp nerf was needed for tvp purposes tho it looks just like the whine zerg used to use in the deathball ages: "protoss so OP, why their 7000/6000 army don't die to my 2 waves of 4000/1000 cheap units" look at the army value tab in the replay... protoss has by far the least cost effective units... | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:05 rpgalon wrote: it looks just like the whine zerg used to use in the deathball ages: "protoss so OP, why their 7000/6000 army don't die to my 2 waves of 4000/1000 cheap units" look at the army value tab in the replay... protoss has by far the least cost effective units... what? if they aren't cost effective, then army value shouldnt matter...however, I think this patch was mainly intended for pvt. | ||
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
On November 08 2011 08:31 SeaSwift wrote: Kaching! Loving these changes. In time for MC's PvT in the Ro16 GSL as well Do they use the latest patches during the GSL? Seems like a patch like this, especially with regards to upgrades, could throw off the timings a fair bit. I would have guessed that they maintain the same balance settings that they had at the start of the event. | ||
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Scufo
United States136 Posts
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:05 rpgalon wrote: it looks just like the whine zerg used to use in the deathball ages: "protoss so OP, why their 7000/6000 army don't die to my 2 waves of 4000/1000 cheap units" look at the army value tab in the replay... protoss has by far the least cost effective units... Wut, sentries destroy roachs without tunneling claws and hydras and lings. Collosus destroy everything on the ground and are more cost efficient than marines. Stalkers have blink mitigating damage massively vs extremely supply inefficient roachs. The only cost inefficient units for protoss are the units that are easily countered like zealots, void rays, and dark templars. Protoss needed this buff though only because marines are so cheap and kill everything protoss has except HT and Collosus. EMP nerf was needed for TvP, but making TvZ even harder now. I'd like to see how the upgrades scale before saying too much about the change, and if it was or wasn't enough to change anything. | ||
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GLLvz
Norway122 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:05 rpgalon wrote: it looks just like the whine zerg used to use in the deathball ages: "protoss so OP, why their 7000/6000 army don't die to my 2 waves of 4000/1000 cheap units" look at the army value tab in the replay... protoss has by far the least cost effective units... No point in trying to discuss with people like that, they are biased as hell. Stalker 125-50 2 supply Zealot 100 2 supply Sentry 50-100 2 supply Collosus 300-200 6 supply Immortal 250-100 4 supply Roach 75-25 2 supply gets +2 amor for first Armor upgrade. Ling 25 1 supply Hydra 100-50 2 supply Infestor 100-150 2 supply Marine 50 1 supply Marauder 100-25 2 supply Ghost 200-100 2 supply Medivac 100/100 2 supply (heals your units/and able to harass) Viking 150-75 2 supply Saying toss is Cost effective before 200/200 Max upgraded army is beyond stupid. even at 200/200 their not considered cost effective if Terran/zerg engage in a open space. and not to mention every counter to Toss tier 3 is at tier 2 or 1.5 for both races. Zergs might have to get Hive to counter Deathball tho. but terran doesnt. The chances of toss makeing it to the deathball without a huge disadvantage is and should be extreamly low unless you allow him to. Tradeing Cost effective EArly/middgame is soo easy vs Toss, and theres no excuse for someone not doing it. wev seen it time and again in Tournaments these past Months. and this is why Toss is doing Horrible atm. Upgrades will make Toss slightly more cost effective in middgame, but as for makeing them "unbeatable". i dont think so. | ||
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julianto
2292 Posts
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46275 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:18 Mafs wrote: Wut, sentries destroy roachs without tunneling claws and hydras and lings. Collosus destroy everything on the ground and are more cost efficient than marines. Stalkers have blink mitigating damage massively vs extremely supply inefficient roachs. The only cost inefficient units for protoss are the units that are easily countered like zealots, void rays, and dark templars. Protoss needed this buff though only because marines are so cheap and kill everything protoss has except HT and Collosus. EMP nerf was needed for TvP, but making TvZ even harder now. I'd like to see how the upgrades scale before saying too much about the change, and if it was or wasn't enough to change anything. You apparently missed the memo on muta-ling  | ||
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SnowCat
China9 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:21 Zer atai wrote: any idea when it will be on the korean server, where GSL will be played? KR and EU generally get it the day after SEA/NA, I think. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:18 Mafs wrote: Wut, sentries destroy roachs without tunneling claws and hydras and lings. Collosus destroy everything on the ground and are more cost efficient than marines. Stalkers have blink mitigating damage massively vs extremely supply inefficient roachs. The only cost inefficient units for protoss are the units that are easily countered like zealots, void rays, and dark templars. Protoss needed this buff though only because marines are so cheap and kill everything protoss has except HT and Collosus. EMP nerf was needed for TvP, but making TvZ even harder now. I'd like to see how the upgrades scale before saying too much about the change, and if it was or wasn't enough to change anything. open starcraft 2 watch any PvZ or PvT replay open army tab value ????? Profit protoss wins by just overthrowing money on his army, the engagements are always something like 6000/4000 vs 5000/2500 | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:22 Daralii wrote: KR and EU generally get it the day after SEA/NA, I think. KR is usually the last one, and I think they only get it 2 days after the first (which is usually SEA). | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:03 stevarius wrote: You should mass lose instead and try to bring the Terran win rate down. Winning with 1/1/1 over and over will just get us nerfed again. You give patch balance too much credit. Terran will get nerfed again even if T winrates across the board drop to 20%. Probably in the form of another bunker nerf. Been too long since we've seen one of those. | ||
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