EPT1.4.2 Patch Live - Page 8
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Don't think i'll be playing much many TvP macrogames anymore though. Bio never felt right in TvP anyway. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:26 pdd wrote: KR is usually the last one, and I think they only get it 2 days after the first (which is usually SEA). This is correct. SEA gets it today. NA will get it tomorrow. EU and KR get it the day after. | ||
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DrAbuse
Germany209 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45019 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:33 s3rp wrote: TvP will be bad until HoTS if they actually make it possible to play something else then Bio in macrogames. Don't think i'll be playing much many TvP macrogames anymore though. Bio never felt right in TvP anyway. Can you elaborate on what you mean by TvP being bad until HotS? As far as HotS goes, it looks like they're going to be perfecting mech and throwing in the Shredder just to add insult to injury, making "the most well-rounded race" even more well-rounded, so you'll probably have plenty of new innovative bio or mech builds to choose from in HotS. And then I'd assume that LotV would introduce extra starport units, all of which are as good as, if not better than, the banshee... allowing Terrans to go air builds if they feel like it  Because hey, why not? More stuff for me to replicate. | ||
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awakenx
United States341 Posts
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ScaSully
United States488 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Protoss has alot more variation if the chose to use it. Only 1 Techtree is kinda bad against Terran and thats Stargate. For Terran its 2 of 3 Techtrees that just suck against Toss | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10364 Posts
Also what's the Starcraft master portriat? it's blue-d out? On November 08 2011 10:46 s3rp wrote: TvP is just not fun to play . What i hate most that only 1 unit comp is valid unless you cheese. There's basically 5 useful Terran Units in long macro games MMM/Ghosts/Vikings the rest is just gimmicky or near useless unless you push fast with it or get years of time. Protoss has alot more variation if the chose to use it. Only 1 Techtree is kinda bad against Terran and thats Stargate. For Terran its 2 of 3 Techtrees that just suck against Toss It's still 5 units... Zealot Sentry Stalker and then Colossi HT. Not that I agree with that. Mech and Air do work in TvP, depending on the level of play and the map, etc. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
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Mainland
Canada551 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:46 s3rp wrote: TvP is just not fun to play . What i hate most that only 1 unit comp is valid unless you cheese. There's basically 5 useful Terran Units in long macro games MMM/Ghosts/Vikings the rest is just gimmicky or near useless unless you push fast with it or get years of time. Protoss has alot more variation if the chose to use it. Only 1 Techtree is kinda bad against Terran and thats Stargate. For Terran its 2 of 3 Techtrees that just suck against Toss You could use hellions to harass or against zealots. Thor and Tanks are not really that good but tanks are still very viable in Marines tanks or 1/1/1 build. Also Banshee harass, vikings shut down both colossi and Carriers, VRs. So what are you tryning to say? Protoss has less option, KA was removed so HT isn't good anymore, Stargate is obviously a joke, so Protoss pretty much has to use colossus in every single game. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:53 AutomatonOmega wrote: Nope. Zealots always view the glass as half empty. "We cannot hold!" etc. And when they aren't pessimistic they're downright suicidal suggesting they would kill themselves for their cause. "My life for Aiur!".Has someone even made a happy zealot yet? | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:50 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Epic! Also what's the Starcraft master portriat? it's blue-d out? It's still 5 units... Zealot Sentry Stalker and then Colossi HT. Not that I agree with that. Mech and Air do work in TvP, depending on the level of play and the map, etc. Mech and Air rarely work and are always worse then Bio once the opponent sees your unit composition. Mech and Air are way easier countered and are alot harder to replace if you start to lose units. They just are not more cost effecient then Bio even though they are more expensive. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:56 tuho12345 wrote: You could use hellions to harass or against zealots. Thor and Tanks are not really that good but tanks are still very viable in Marines tanks or 1/1/1 build. Also Banshee harass, vikings shut down both colossi and Carriers, VRs. So what are you tryning to say? Protoss has less option, KA was removed so HT isn't good anymore, Stargate is obviously a joke, so Protoss pretty much has to use colossus in every single game. What i'm saying is that TvP is not fun to play for me so if i could thumps down to never play against Protoss i would do that. I hate playing Bio but unless i try to kill the opponent early i have to play it. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:46 s3rp wrote: TvP is just not fun to play . What i hate most that only 1 unit comp is valid unless you cheese. There's basically 5 useful Terran Units in long macro games MMM/Ghosts/Vikings the rest is just gimmicky or near useless unless you push fast with it or get years of time. Protoss has alot more variation if the chose to use it. Only 1 Techtree is kinda bad against Terran and thats Stargate. For Terran its 2 of 3 Techtrees that just suck against Toss That's 5 units from 2 of 3 tech-trees (Barracks and Starport). Isn't Zea/Stalk/Colossus/HT/Archon pretty much every endgame Toss ball in TvP? 5 units from 2 of the 3 tech-trees? Even if you throw in Immortals, 6 kinds of units vs. 5 doesn't strike me as a "lot more variation." Also, it is at least possible to go a totally different path for Terran (see: Goody) with Thor/Banshee/Hellion. There is no second composition for Toss; it's just ZSCHAI every game. | ||
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mlspmatt
Canada404 Posts
That game made me a believer that the ghost needed an adjustment. But, I don't believe your going to see a huge change in code 'S'. Even if balance is restored between the races, I think there's more talent playing Terran right now at that level in Korea. I could be wrong but that's what it looks like. I get the feeling Protoss players are a little in the wilderness as to what the best strategy IS and how their race should be played. When do you make Colossus? When do I add warp prism play? Whats the proper timing and role of DT's? Where as T & Z appear to be more settled. I'd like to get others opinions on Protoss strategy? Are Terran and Zerg more settled in their strats than Toss? | ||
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Swwww
Switzerland812 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:56 tuho12345 wrote: You could use hellions to harass or against zealots. Thor and Tanks are not really that good but tanks are still very viable in Marines tanks or 1/1/1 build. Also Banshee harass, vikings shut down both colossi and Carriers, VRs. So what are you tryning to say? Protoss has less option, KA was removed so HT isn't good anymore, Stargate is obviously a joke, so Protoss pretty much has to use colossus in every single game. Not sure if serious.... User was warned for this post | ||
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