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On October 27 2011 04:40 skrzmark wrote:I love how all the terran cry for FG/PsiStorm nerf along with their EMP nerf. Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead.
The constant crying protoss and zergs have been dying for a full year is valid tho right?
On October 27 2011 04:55 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Nonsense of imbalance? So you're saying even when Korean Terrans admit overpoweredness it is nonsense, not to mention a plethora of statistics backing up Protoss balance inferiority? No need to create petty mythology when facts exist. Btw, DKim barely looks at GSL, so your argument doesn't have much weight (assuming it would even if Kim did). If he did, I'd be willing to bet that Protoss would be getting some massive buffs both vT and vZ.
Please. The korean pros whine as much as anyone else.
Two or three of them saying terran is imbalance does not make that a fact.
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Bad move........I completely understand the reason behind it but it will add even more problems.
Terran's problems against lategame mass upgraded chargelots will increase infinitely.
Zerg's problems against mass upgraded colossi will increase infinitely.
In combination with the new map pool that allows protoss to forge fast expand now on pretty much every map this is gonna be huge..........
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On October 27 2011 04:40 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 02:49 [uci] Fizik wrote:On October 26 2011 07:50 synergy_sin wrote:
Hmm, when are they nerfing Psi Storm radius too? Guess it's okay for Protoss to do massive AoE damage to a Terran army, but not okay for EMP to disable Protoss Shields and spellcasters.
Massive... you want massive, look at EMP radius as it is now. Almost 2/3rds of the screen. It just means terran will have to use a couple more ghosts and it will be possible to dodge EMP. I love how all the terran cry for FG/PsiStorm nerf along with their EMP nerf. Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead. It would be kool if they just changed the whole mechanic to require a nuke, and instead of nuking units, you can send a nuke to explode in the outer atmosphere around a targeted area creating an EMP. It would be scientifically consistent. Of course, there would be a slight delay between target, nuclear launch, and emp. And the radius could stay the same or be larger to compensate. Also I want to add... unlike emp, psi storm doesn't do instant damage. EMP already has a larger range than psi storm and emp isn't an upgrade either. Atleast you can dodge part of the damage of psi storm unlike EMP.
The thing is that a single EMP (especially since the last nerf making it 100 Energy) doesn't win a battle. If Terran misses a single High Templar with EMP (which can be reliably accomplished if the P has better control than the Terran) and the Protoss lands one of two good storms, it can completely cost the Terran the battle. Storm is much more devastating to a Terran army even if you only land one of two good storms on the bulk of their army.
And as far as the statement "Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead," why can't Protoss players just "get better at the game" instead of nerfing Terran. Your "logic" is stupid and can just as easily be a counterargument to your being bad.
Even PuMa's 1-1-1 looks beatable, and honestly Mvp has been looking unbeatable in every match-up except against NesTea where he looks partly mortal. Those seem to be the only two Terrans who seem/ed "unbeatable" for a Protoss.
Also, your Nuke idea is so dumb that it hurts, unless of course in doing that it completely shuts down all Mechanical units on the map for a couple solid hours. It's the future, they have spaceships, it doesn't have to conform to modern day technology.
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As a terran I am not QQing about EMP radius. But I will complain about the cheaper upgrades.
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On October 27 2011 05:04 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 04:40 skrzmark wrote:I love how all the terran cry for FG/PsiStorm nerf along with their EMP nerf. Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead. The constant crying protoss and zergs have been dying for a full year is valid tho right? Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 04:55 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Nonsense of imbalance? So you're saying even when Korean Terrans admit overpoweredness it is nonsense, not to mention a plethora of statistics backing up Protoss balance inferiority? No need to create petty mythology when facts exist. Btw, DKim barely looks at GSL, so your argument doesn't have much weight (assuming it would even if Kim did). If he did, I'd be willing to bet that Protoss would be getting some massive buffs both vT and vZ. Please. The korean pros whine as much as anyone else. Two or three of them saying terran is imbalance does not make that a fact.
Korean Terrans are whining that Terran is overpowered, especially with 1/1/1.... hahaha, most notably MVP. I think you misread what I said.
You also want to dispute the monthly pro-level stats posted by a fine Swede that show Protoss consistently in the shitter, and are hopelessly terribad for Protoss in Korea? Facts vs. mythology. I prefer to go with data. If you like mythology, then I'll respect that.
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On October 27 2011 05:04 Dalavita wrote:
Please. The korean pros whine as much as anyone else.
Two or three of them saying terran is imbalance does not make that a fact.
Why would TERRAN Korean pros "whine" about TERRAN? Please at least read the post you just quoted.
MVP -> tweeted that Terran was too strong and 1-1-1 should be banned in competitive play.
Polt -> said in Code S group selection that Terran was OP and he should eliminate some of the ones that didn't deserve to be in Code S and were carried by their race.
One is a GSL World Championship winner, the other is fucking MVP, with 3 Code S GSL wins + an MLG win to his name, considered to be the best player in the world. If neither of their opinions convince you, I give up. You can keep imagining that the game is balanced at the highest level, fairies give you money for teeth and Santa comes down the chimney every Christmas to give you presents.
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On October 27 2011 03:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 02:27 blamekilly wrote:On October 27 2011 02:10 nanaoei wrote:On October 27 2011 00:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On October 27 2011 00:24 Big.E33 wrote:
is it now viable to get shields +1 before armor +3?
especially in a archon/zealot composition? Keep in mind that the more defense you already have, the better a defense upgrade is. Going from +2 armor to +3 means you're going from taking 3 damage per shot from an unupgraded Marine to 2 damage, a 33% reduction. Going from +0 shields to +1 takes you from 6 damage per shot to 5, which is only a 17% reduction. Especially given that a lot of those shots will be reduced still further by Guardian Shield, it's probably still worth the investment to get the armor first. lets pretend health and shields are the same, to mostly simulate a stalker,a sentry, or even a collosus (for almost any other units this is wrong) you're not wrong, but considering you're picking your first upgrade, +1 armor and +1 shields is practically the same upgrade (with the above). there is however a tendancy to want to not take hull damage or actual HP. the handful-of-stalker-vs-handful-of-marine situation happens a bit earlier than you would get either upgrade, but i can't help but think shields-first would be ideal if you can save most of your hurt units from death in your very first engagements.
shields recharge to their full amount, armor only applies to the remaining health of the unit whether it's 10 hp or 80. i'm sure you get what i mean there.... *edit* i guess this is why people value attack upgrades more than armor sometimes : D when they get a ball of units. the units themsevles---the zealot or even a stalker are special units for protoss though which go against this because of the units that are used against them. (marauders which do 10, with marines, or zerglings against stalkers) Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source? Are you dead serious???? You claim to be a masters player on the NA server and you have no idea that the shield's upgrade only affects shields? Did you know that zerg melee upgrade only affects melee units?
Actually, I didn't know any of these things. I play terran, the race everyone complains about and just happen to make masters easily.
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Bwhaha. Some incredible posts. Lol. Puma coasting on 1-1-1 and fear of 1-1-1 looks beatable... because his ability to play a macro game has deteriorated so much.(Missing multiple depos at IEM guangzho)
Ipl... pvp took toss the farthest.
MLG MC the best toss overcame a rather overrated and mediocre MKP and had Idra snipe off the threat of Bomber.
Huk destroyed an abysmal July in g1.
Lol and even polt was ranting about it. I don't know how some people are so detached from reality. Must be the cold.
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On October 27 2011 05:12 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:04 Dalavita wrote:On October 27 2011 04:40 skrzmark wrote:I love how all the terran cry for FG/PsiStorm nerf along with their EMP nerf. Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead. The constant crying protoss and zergs have been dying for a full year is valid tho right? On October 27 2011 04:55 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Nonsense of imbalance? So you're saying even when Korean Terrans admit overpoweredness it is nonsense, not to mention a plethora of statistics backing up Protoss balance inferiority? No need to create petty mythology when facts exist. Btw, DKim barely looks at GSL, so your argument doesn't have much weight (assuming it would even if Kim did). If he did, I'd be willing to bet that Protoss would be getting some massive buffs both vT and vZ. Please. The korean pros whine as much as anyone else. Two or three of them saying terran is imbalance does not make that a fact. Korean Terrans are whining that Terran is overpowered, especially with 1/1/1.... hahaha, most notably MVP. I think you misread what I said. You also want to dispute the monthly pro-level stats posted by a fine Swede that show Protoss consistently in the shitter, and are hopelessly terribad for Protoss in Korea? Facts vs. mythology. I prefer to go with data. If you like mythology, then I'll respect that.
Yes, I was specifically thinking of MVP and Polt when I said Korean pros, and I've already disputed the stats in the specific threads. If you really care that much about what I said there, feel free to make a post search.
PS: For the absolute batshit crazy people who bring out the pitch forks whenever anyone even tries defending terran. 1-1-1 is not the entirety of terran, it's only one build in one matchup.
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Excellent Protoss Buff!! xD
Yiiiihaaa
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On October 27 2011 05:17 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:04 Dalavita wrote:
Please. The korean pros whine as much as anyone else.
Two or three of them saying terran is imbalance does not make that a fact. Why would TERRAN Korean pros "whine" about TERRAN? Please at least read the post you just quoted. MVP -> tweeted that Terran was too strong and 1-1-1 should be banned in competitive play. Polt -> said in Code S group selection that Terran was OP and he should eliminate some of the ones that didn't deserve to be in Code S and were carried by their race. One is a GSL World Championship winner, the other is fucking MVP, with 3 Code S GSL wins + an MLG win to his name, considered to be the best player in the world. If neither of their opinions convince you, I give up. You can keep imagining that the game is balanced at the highest level, fairies give you money for teeth and Santa comes down the chimney every Christmas to give you presents.
Umm. MVP said that then he 1-1-1 'd anyways. Polt said that but he then picked Killer, a Protoss, and got destroyed.
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On October 27 2011 04:55 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 04:50 The Final Boss wrote:On October 26 2011 12:47 Ryder. wrote:On October 26 2011 11:36 iLike413 wrote:On October 26 2011 11:30 The Final Boss wrote:On October 26 2011 11:25 ImmortalTofu wrote:On October 26 2011 11:22 The Final Boss wrote:
Now, for all the people talking about "Name a good Korean Protoss" or "Name a good Foreign Terran," I want everybody to try and name something for me. A Macro-Oriented Korean Protoss.
As far as Terrans go, you have players like TOP, TheStC, or Jjakji who consistently go for macro games. I can't think of a Korean Protoss player who looks for macro games often times in PvT, as they usually wind up doing some sort of timing attack, whether it is 1, 2, and very rarely 3 bases. The problem isn't lack of skill, but lack of depth in the play. Korean Protoss players are constantly aggressive--or, at the very least they are overly predictable. Puzzle, and he got rolled pretty much every single time in PvT everytime due to EMP lategame. MC as well, after his GSL March win, and had alot of success against against Terran, with Puma and Bomber. MC does Timing attacks in almost every game he plays. He is far from a Macro-Protoss. And Puzzle's PvT has never really impressed me. Maybe it's because he beat MMA with Dark Templar back in Code A and still almost managed to lose those games due to poor control and macro, but I just don't think he really understands the match-ups that well. But regardless, congrats on naming a single Korean Macro Protoss. Anyone who says "show me a macro protoss herp derp" doesn't really understand the game.... In late game situations terran has the ability to have a much more massive army than toss because they are running off of almost purely mules.. thats at least 30+ extra supply in army comp. Toss have always relied on timing pushes because they are the weakest macro race... Yeah I don't understand why naming a macro toss is relevant; players do whatever they think they have the best chance of winning with, so if they are doing timing attacks it is because that's what they think they have the greatest chance of success with, and they sure as hell know better than you. . Who exactly are you to tell them the reason they are losing is because they don't play macro and instead rely on timing pushes? The importance is that there is less diversity in Protoss players play at the highest level than there is with other races. I can list you players who are Macro Terrans (  TOP, TheStC, Jjakji), I can list you Macro Zergs (  NesTea, LosirA, Leenock), I can list you aggressive Terrans ( Polt, MMA, sC), and I can list you aggressive Zergs ( July, Kyrix, YuGiOh); but when it comes to Protoss--players like  MC, Alicia, SangHo, Genius, HongUn--everybody seems to fall into that aggressive category of players (or at least the players who have done well). I think that the more we see of Ps such as Sage or Inori, we'll see more and more macro Ps. Hopefully then this nonsense about balance can be resolved and Terran can stop getting nerfed. Also, as far as the massive amount of Terrans in Code S, look at Code A, Code A qualifiers, and the Korean Weekly Tournaments are primarily Protoss and Zerg, with very few Terrans. I think that the reason why there are so many Terran players in Code S is a mixture of the relative ease of retaining Code S status and also the fact that a year ago, when GSL rankings were originally being won, and the game was relatively undiscovered, Terrans were dominating play. With time, (and maybe a new Code S/Code A system) not unnecessary balance changes, we'll see more Protoss players in Code S. Nonsense of imbalance? So you're saying even when Korean Terrans admit overpoweredness it is nonsense, not to mention a plethora of statistics backing up Protoss balance inferiority? No need to create petty mythology when facts exist. Btw, DKim barely looks at GSL, so your argument doesn't have much weight (assuming it would even if Kim did). If he did, I'd be willing to bet that Protoss would be getting some massive buffs both vT and vZ.
The only time I recall that being said was Mvp saying that the 1-1-1 is overpowered, and frankly, with the 1-1-1 being nerfed and more practice against it, it doesn't seem nearly as invincible (except when PuMa does it. But he happens to be the best at it, just like MC's 6 Gate is the best in the world). That being said, your posts on this thread have been filled with hyperbole after hyperbole and definitive conclusions that you don't really have any right to make. And just because David Kim doesn't watch GSL doesn't mean that it doesn't affect the balance changes (he isn't the only one working on balance...).
And outside of Korea there are a plethora of statistics that support Protoss being balanced if not "OP." Plus, anybody with any sense knows that you need to be able to interpret statistics to get any real information of "facts," instead of just looking at the statistics. Statistics can be manipulated in a myriad of ways that prove whatever you want them to prove.
Just go look at the most recent ESV Korean Weekly or Code A qualifiers. Those brackets should be blue since Terran is overpowered, but instead there's hardly any Terrans in them. In the last Korean Weekly, Tassadar beat a Code S Terran (who happens to have exceedingly good TvP) and the best ZvP in the world (other than NesTea) pretty handily (Taeja and CoCa). Tassadar only recently retained his Code A spot.
Not to mention, every single post you've had in this thread has been of poor quality and you continually state facts that I have already responded to. Maybe you're just trolling, but I've talked with Protoss players who make as offensively ignorant remarks as you have been making so maybe you're trolling on accident (more commonly known as stupidity). You clearly don't understand the point of debating, so really there's no sense in trying to debate it. Have fun posting ridiculous exaggerations, but now that without proper analysis, your numbers don't somehow mean that Protoss is underpowered or that Terran is underpowered.
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FINALLY nerfing the EMP! -punches the air in happiness- Now maybe we'll stand a chance!!
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Oh good...
Not only do Protoss players need only 1 attack upgrade for their ENTIRE ground army, AND be able to get them faster than any other race...
...but not they are cheaper as well. ;_; FML. 
If he did, I'd be willing to bet that Protoss would be getting some massive buffs both vT and vZ. You mean like the last patch and this PTR build?
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On October 27 2011 00:47 ElvisTek wrote:
Why don't just remove it and make the ghost a uber-nerfed unit as the reaper is? ... And make the ghost completely useless for it's cost?
You are a protoss player.. and you know ghosts are the only chance the terran has to face the protoss units... As the same as terrans players needs to learn how to snipe your HT (Yes i prefer snipe them so i wont need more energy to be casted against Archons).. learn to feedback them... feed back actually does huge damage if you catch the ghost with energy.....
Snipe range is longer than feedback range, emp range is also longer them feedbacl range, if we both micro equaly good, ghost always win.
- Why dont you make just a couple of phoenixes to lift them?
Pheonix cant lift without energy, emp remove energy, also, phoenix melt when they fly above the marines, phoenix are not free.
- Why dont you just Separate your units? .. separate your HT so the EMP makes less effect? do we terrans only have to separate them? isnt that unfair?
It is fair now, we have to split them the same distance has you now, before we had to split em 44% more. and spliting slow ass templar is slow.
- Why dont you just make more zealots to face the terran line? ghosts are not cheap and either we cast them on zealots, or either we cast them on the other army
And then you make 2 banshee and win. but also, when you have enough ghost it dosent matter, you dont have to chose, you can emp everything. now it will take more ghost to do this. Also, emping everything is easier than storming everything, emp has no cool down, storm has a 2 second cooldown, with 1 ghost you can cast 2 emp super quick if you have enough energy and apm, with templars you can never cast 2 storm instantly however energy or apm you have. you need 2 templar to do this. So with the area beging the same size now, you can, you can still blanket our army us easier then we can blaket yours, with less ghost. from a higher range too.
- Why dont you watch white-ra play? He uses Warp prism to save the energy of the HT and move them faster drops.. storm.. and pick them up again
I dont see why we should have to carry our spellcaster in warp prism if you dont have to hide them in medvac. if you want to protect them from feedback put em in medvac, feedback only kill medvac if it has over 140 energy, draining medvac is kinda easy you have to select your army and press t.
- Why dont you use observers to see where the ghosts are, feedback em and then go back? (using warp prism)
Several reason : 1 - viking kill obs when you see the blur or *GASP* have a raven. 2- you can always see a templar or a warp prism coming. so if i move my templar there is no reason why you cant move your ghost right? also, if you have 3 tank in siege mode this is impossible droping the templar is insta dead. You also have more medvac, some could have ghost some could have nothing, there is also an other trick to hide ghost but im not gona tell that, no its not cloak.
There are plenty of options.. not only massing a huge ball and A-move..... Come on.. learn to play.. and if you know how to play and still have issues.... then improve your game
None of those options are really viable. except templar in prism, but you have the same option available so i dont see how thats unfair. esp since you have way better anti air than we do.
We terrans learned to manage our play against HT Storms... FF, Colossi that has never got a nerf.. and we still struggle against them... Against Dark Templars...
You are misinformed about collosi never getting a nerf, they changed it to a faster attack speed and lower dmg, its was better with the lower attack speed even if upgrade are better with faster attacks, you could move the slower attack speed collosus more between each shot and still do the same damage so it was easier to run - shoot - run - shoot - run without dying. It was also nerfed several time in the beta dmg wise. omg it was so much more op when the beta started.
You also "manage our play against HT storms" remember KA nerf? yeah.. blizz managed it for you. DT give you trouble.. i guess making raven is a good skill to have. too bad no terrans have found it yet. man if moving burrow baneling make it the hots release. Z will win every ZvT for a month if it goes pass 12 min . Then Mvp will make a raven, and terran will rejoice in this new found unit.
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On October 27 2011 05:12 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
You also want to dispute the monthly pro-level stats posted by a fine Swede that show Protoss consistently in the shitter, and are hopelessly terribad for Protoss in Korea? Facts vs. mythology. I prefer to go with data. If you like mythology, then I'll respect that.
This part actually pissed me off so much that I'm going to discuss it right now, even though I said I wouldn't.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dNKqa.png)
Here are the problems with the graphs, the sample size is small. It's to easily influenced by specific players being godly, for instance, people like MVP, Bomber, MMA and Nada. it fluctuates wildly between months because of metagame shifts and generally based on how people play in a specific day. The original statistics aren't even based off a 0-100 scale and warp the actual stats even further, this specific picture is fixed.
What we can take out of the picture is that terran has a higher win rate in the absolute very top of code S. That is it. Calling Terran imba when we have singular people like MVP consistently beasting it up in everything is actually warping statistics to your agenda.
The fact that you use this as a bible and proclaim Protoss in general being in the shitter because they average a 45% win ratio over a 12 month period actually disgusts me.
On October 27 2011 05:29 The Final Boss wrote:
roar
Your forum nick is actually awesome. I'm jealous
On October 27 2011 05:17 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:04 Dalavita wrote:
Please. The korean pros whine as much as anyone else.
Two or three of them saying terran is imbalance does not make that a fact. Why would TERRAN Korean pros "whine" about TERRAN? Please at least read the post you just quoted. MVP -> tweeted that Terran was too strong and 1-1-1 should be banned in competitive play. Polt -> said in Code S group selection that Terran was OP and he should eliminate some of the ones that didn't deserve to be in Code S and were carried by their race. One is a GSL World Championship winner, the other is fucking MVP, with 3 Code S GSL wins + an MLG win to his name, considered to be the best player in the world. If neither of their opinions convince you, I give up. You can keep imagining that the game is balanced at the highest level, fairies give you money for teeth and Santa comes down the chimney every Christmas to give you presents.
The fact that you let one or two persons influence your opinions makes you more susceptible to Santa than anyone could ever be, regardless of who it is.
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On October 27 2011 05:33 SpaceYeti wrote:Oh good... Not only do Protoss players need only 1 attack upgrade for their ENTIRE ground army, AND be able to get them faster than any other race... ...but not they are cheaper as well. ;_; FML. Show nested quote +If he did, I'd be willing to bet that Protoss would be getting some massive buffs both vT and vZ. You mean like the last patch and this PTR build?
+1 Immortal range.
lol. so massive.
No, more like giving Stalkers 2-3 more attack, and going +1/+1 with each upgrade. That would be a big fix, for example.
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On October 27 2011 05:08 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 04:40 skrzmark wrote:On October 27 2011 02:49 [uci] Fizik wrote:On October 26 2011 07:50 synergy_sin wrote:
Hmm, when are they nerfing Psi Storm radius too? Guess it's okay for Protoss to do massive AoE damage to a Terran army, but not okay for EMP to disable Protoss Shields and spellcasters.
Massive... you want massive, look at EMP radius as it is now. Almost 2/3rds of the screen. It just means terran will have to use a couple more ghosts and it will be possible to dodge EMP. I love how all the terran cry for FG/PsiStorm nerf along with their EMP nerf. Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead. It would be kool if they just changed the whole mechanic to require a nuke, and instead of nuking units, you can send a nuke to explode in the outer atmosphere around a targeted area creating an EMP. It would be scientifically consistent. Of course, there would be a slight delay between target, nuclear launch, and emp. And the radius could stay the same or be larger to compensate. Also I want to add... unlike emp, psi storm doesn't do instant damage. EMP already has a larger range than psi storm and emp isn't an upgrade either. Atleast you can dodge part of the damage of psi storm unlike EMP. The thing is that a single EMP (especially since the last nerf making it 100 Energy) doesn't win a battle. If Terran misses a single High Templar with EMP (which can be reliably accomplished if the P has better control than the Terran) and the Protoss lands one of two good storms, it can completely cost the Terran the battle. Storm is much more devastating to a Terran army even if you only land one of two good storms on the bulk of their army. And as far as the statement "Take the nerf like men and get better at the game instead," why can't Protoss players just "get better at the game" instead of nerfing Terran. Your "logic" is stupid and can just as easily be a counterargument to your being bad. Even PuMa's 1-1-1 looks beatable, and honestly Mvp has been looking unbeatable in every match-up except against NesTea where he looks partly mortal. Those seem to be the only two Terrans who seem/ed "unbeatable" for a Protoss. Also, your Nuke idea is so dumb that it hurts, unless of course in doing that it completely shuts down all Mechanical units on the map for a couple solid hours. It's the future, they have spaceships, it doesn't have to conform to modern day technology.
Huh are you talking to me or the guy I quoted?
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On October 27 2011 05:23 Sabu113 wrote:
Bwhaha. Some incredible posts. Lol. Puma coasting on 1-1-1 and fear of 1-1-1 looks beatable... because his ability to play a macro game has deteriorated so much.(Missing multiple depos at IEM guangzho)
Ipl... pvp took toss the farthest.
MLG MC the best toss overcame a rather overrated and mediocre MKP and had Idra snipe off the threat of Bomber.
Huk destroyed an abysmal July in g1.
Lol and even polt was ranting about it. I don't know how some people are so detached from reality. Must be the cold.
IPL: The two best Ps there (MC and HuK) both lost in PvP, so their strategies and ability against other races wasn't even shown.
MLG: MC beat MarineKing who was playing great, calling him mediocre makes me question whether or not you watched the games. HuK and MC both beat TheStC who had been playing the best anyone had ever seen him that weekend. SaSe beat Bomber, who has some of the best TvP in the world. Of the Open Bracket winners, two were Terran (they also were Koreans) and two were Protoss (they were not Koreans).
Sure those events can be utilized to prove your point, but I just proved my point with those tournaments also...
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On October 27 2011 05:36 Dalavita wrote:Your forum nick is actually awesome. I'm jealous
:D Thanks
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