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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:46 trinxified wrote: Oh damn really.. sucks to be bad in math.  Can anyone kindly point me out to the pictures of the radius change? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jw2su.jpg) | ||
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JayLN
Germany25 Posts
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Teiwaz
Austria158 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:36 Krejven wrote: Compared to the ghosts 1.8 dpe and you seem to forget the archon is a pretty strong unit  1.8 dpe SINGLE TARGET. And it's not connected to a research. And Ghosts can have 1 Snipe "for free" (+energy upgrade). | ||
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leather gracket
51 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:41 Teiwaz wrote: U mad? Seriously, I would have agreed to some parts until I read "Terran needs to upgrade mech just for Hellion, Tank & Thor". Hwat? That's all of your mech units o.O Top 3 Terran QQ. about the mech: I'm just comparing the races. the P buff will also affect PvZ. and btw, there are also people who play pure mech or marines + mech vs P.. just calculate how much it would cost to upgrade all the 3x2x3 +1 (building armor) = 19 damage/armor upgrades to have a fully upgraded biomech T army, whereas the fully upgraded "dream PvT" protoss army will just need 3*3 = 9 upgrades | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:44 trinxified wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 26 2011 20:35 leather gracket wrote: these are really stupid changes... notice that terran upgrades cost exactly the same as protoss upgrades but..: the protoss ground armor upgrade upgrades 8 units +1 (worker): Archon, Colossus, Dark Templar, Sentry, High Templar, Immortal, Probe, Stalker, Zealot the ground damage upgrades 7 units: Archon, Colossus, Dark Templar, Sentry, Immortal, Stalker, Zealot. protoss shields: ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL UNITS AND BUILDINGS but it's not just the numbers, it's that the unit it ugprades are ALL the units of typical standard protoss army composition. compare this to terran upgrades: Infantry Weapons: Ghost, Marauder, Reaper, Marine Infantry Armor: Ghost, Marauder, Reaper, Marine, SCV. .. and you can just count this as 3 units, because of reapers. then terran also needs to ugprade mech just for hellion, tank and thor, and air just for vikings.. and building armor also costs yet another 150/150 upgrade (comparing that shields = building armor for P) same stuff goes for zerg, but at least the ground armor upgrade is for all ground units emp? no comment. why doesn't blizzard just remove T from the game? LOL.. what a clown. I'm not even a protoss player but I just found this post ridiculous. Sometimes I really wish I could "like" a post | ||
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Jomppa
1225 Posts
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leather gracket
51 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:51 rEalGuapo wrote: Sometimes I really wish I could "like" a post poor, poor immature community... no arguments whatsoever, just pure whining and flaming | ||
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Krejven
Sweden105 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:49 Teiwaz wrote: 1.8 dpe SINGLE TARGET. And it's not connected to a research. And Ghosts can have 1 Snipe "for free" (+energy upgrade). Well they are different units or do you want them to be the same? Ghosts got a single target dps ability and they start with 25 extra energy if you upgrade it. As do infestors if you upgrade the +25 energy and templars used to have it but it got removed due to the combination with the warpgate mechanic. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:00 TheDraken wrote: i doubt you play zerg. say blizz required that once you rally a medivac to drop, you can't control it at all. if you rally a drop, it's gonna drop. once you arrive to where you're going to drop, you need to make sure you have a 3x3 space before you sit there for 15 seconds. once your 15 seconds is up, the enemy gets an audio notification "TERRAN IS DROPPING FROM A MEDIVAC" as you unload your first unit. remember, you can't go back, and your medivac doesn't heal at all. if you want to retreat the enemy gets to kill your medivac. if you want to drop with two medivacs, you have to wait 15 seconds after your first medivac waits 15 seconds. or you could build two starports so you can have 2 medivacs at the same time. strange why a zerg would never want that. That isn't very fair, you can nydus in way more units in his base then you can drop in with a medivac, and while it's up you can keep sending units through it. Besides it's not like Zerg doesn't have other options to drop  .Nydus are not used enough, I admit i haven't used any in my last 20 games ^^ | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
yeah because you cannot build nydus outside of your opponents base... wait.. srsly you could make runbys way easier and connect bases etc. Or you have a Nydus at his 4th base, to harras the third kinda like a proxy pylon with the possibility to retreat. Later if he moves out you plant another one, so you can attack his siegetank line from the back and the front. Possibilities are almost infinite but you will propably never see that. Plus what is that crap about if you order the drop its gonna drop, you can retreat back through Nydus. And if it gets spotted no one forces you to press "Unload"... Oh and I have played about 300-400 Games as Zerg. 1. Nydus aren't free. You sound like Incontrol. 2. Their build + unload time is way worse than a medivac. 2. Medivacs serve a significantly useful purpose other than transportation. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:35 leather gracket wrote: these are really stupid changes... notice that terran upgrades cost exactly the same as protoss upgrades but..: the protoss ground armor upgrade upgrades 8 units +1 (worker): Archon, Colossus, Dark Templar, Sentry, High Templar, Immortal, Probe, Stalker, Zealot the ground damage upgrades 7 units: Archon, Colossus, Dark Templar, Sentry, Immortal, Stalker, Zealot. protoss shields: ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL UNITS AND BUILDINGS but it's not just the numbers, it's that the unit it ugprades are ALL the units of typical standard protoss army composition. compare this to terran upgrades: Infantry Weapons: Ghost, Marauder, Reaper, Marine Infantry Armor: Ghost, Marauder, Reaper, Marine, SCV. .. and you can just count this as 3 units, because of reapers. then terran also needs to ugprade mech just for hellion, tank and thor, and air just for vikings.. and building armor also costs yet another 150/150 upgrade (comparing that shields = building armor for P) same stuff goes for zerg, but at least the ground armor upgrade is for all ground units emp? no comment. why doesn't blizzard just remove T from the game? mhm. just let it all out. everything's going to be okay buddy. i totally know where you're coming from. terran needs to upgrade from not only the engineering bay, but if it wants to upgrade mech it needs the armory, which costs more money. it costs not only minerals but gas, which doesn't get mined with mules. toss has a completely unfair advantage with chrono boost. it can make probes faster which can mine both minerals and gas, so it really has an unfair gas advantage which means toss could get the armory faster than terran. toss can also build more than one forge, which makes it even less fair because then terran will be twice as behind because they still can't chrono boost probes for gas. it means that terran has horrible mechanical upgrades against protoss but they have to have mechanical because marines can't kill everything. so terrans are forced to outmacro with mules to make more bases to gain map control for more gas so they can make more armories to get upgrades. it's even more important since the engineering bay upgrades are less useful by cost/benefit because the reaper is too slow in the first 5 minutes, making my engineering bay upgrades worthless for the entire game. blizzard frikin needs to stop coddling toss and listening to all the qq because this has gone too far. | ||
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Teiwaz
Austria158 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:53 leather gracket wrote: poor, poor immature community... no arguments whatsoever, just pure crying and flaming Sorry, but they are right. Your post is just ridiculous. Look at HP/SP distribution of Protoss units. Also buildings are 50%/50% HP/SP, so +3 shields ( is basically 1.5 armor for 675/675 minerals/gas (+ 570 seconds). | ||
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Krejven
Sweden105 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:56 theBizness wrote: 1. Nydus aren't free. You sound like Incontrol. 2. Their build + unload time is way worse than a medivac. 2. Medivacs serve a significantly useful purpose other than transportation. 2. Guess you better use the other drop option you have if that is the case. 3. Like a flying supply depot/pylon with capabilities to drop you mean? | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:51 leather gracket wrote: about the mech: I'm just comparing the races. the P buff will also affect PvZ. and btw, there are also people who play pure mech or marines + mech vs P.. just calculate how much it would cost to upgrade all the 3x2x3 +1 (building armor) = 19 damage/armor upgrades to have a fully upgraded biomech T army, whereas the fully upgraded "dream PvT" protoss army will just need 3*3 = 9 upgrades so you mean +3+3 Bio and +3+3 Mech? sounds like 12(3x4............) Upgrades to me -.- So you need 3 Upgrades more. Not 10. BUT you must take in account that no Protoss unit has Armour on their shields from the beginning, thus they have a maximum of 3 on it, not like a Unit that starts with say, 1 Armor that has 4 When fully upgraded. So to sum up you need 3 more upgrades as Terran but they fully affect 100% of your HP as compared to: 3 less Upgrades with slightly worse effects. That leads to: It doesn't matter for god's sake you cannot say that Protoss is OP because of their Upgrades, that is like saying terran is OP because they can repair. It is part of the race design. As long as it works well with the rest of the game it's fine even though it is different. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:58 Teiwaz wrote: Sorry, but they are right. Your post is just ridiculous. Look at HP/SP distribution of Protoss units. Also buildings are 50%/50% HP/SP, so +3 shields ( is basically 1.5 armor for 675/675 minerals/gas (+ 570 seconds). Just look at his post history and ignore him. He seems to have gotten off to a good start before for some reason switching over to troll-like posting. | ||
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Teiwaz
Austria158 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:55 Krejven wrote: Well they are different units or do you want them to be the same? Ghosts got a single target dps ability and they start with 25 extra energy if you upgrade it. As do infestors if you upgrade the +25 energy and templars used to have it but it got removed due to the combination with the warpgate mechanic. No, I don't want them to be the same and I'm refusing to replicate non Protoss units in HotS (most stupid idea ever...). I'm aware that due to warp in mechanic +25 energy from the start might cause trouble, but why totally remove it and not change it to +25 max. energy? Still, Snipe in TvZ is too strong IMO. | ||
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DailYLeet
Germany827 Posts
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:55 Zorgaz wrote: That isn't very fair, you can nydus in way more units in his base then you can drop in with a medivac, and while it's up you can keep sending units through it. Besides it's not like Zerg doesn't have other options to drop .Nydus are not used enough, I admit i haven't used any in my last 20 games ^^ didn't say i didn't use ovie drop bro. i'm perfectly fine using overlords, and i don't really care about the functionality of the nydus since it doesn't really hinder play. it's only a stupid extra feature that people try to use as some excuse that zerg is "deeply unexplored". really only a problem when trying to fend away the brain-eating theorycrafters. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:02 DailYLeet wrote: why no fixes of fungal radius? :o because it's not broken. | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:56 theBizness wrote: 1. Nydus aren't free. You sound like Incontrol. 2. Their build + unload time is way worse than a medivac. 2. Medivacs serve a significantly useful purpose other than transportation. Once again you refused to read my initial post. Because of that I will sum it up right here: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUT THE NYDUS IN HIS BASE, YOU CAN PLANT THEM OUTSIDE OF IT AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe you will understand it this way... I was saying that you can use them set up for flanks, for expansion harrassment<- your units can even retreat once your opponent is close to your base, this way the runby-force will help in the fight. since you clearly never thought of these options, (you only talk about inbase Nydus) you are welcome. | ||
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