EPT1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 64
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Pirat6662001
Russian Federation949 Posts
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jtan_123
Australia5 Posts
IMO, this buff is just to give P's a bigger army when they're double forging upgrades so they can 'survive' better against Terran timing attacks. Although having said that, only Shields level 1 is cheaper, so really to defend a timing attack (which normally comes at around 10 minutes or even before: 1-1-1, 3 rax stim, etc) you're paying the same for the 1-1 upgrades (200 mins and 200 gas). Which is a bit contradictory. I guess at the end of the day, Blizzard wants to get P's to go for double forge upgrades and have a bigger army while upgrading. If you think about it, in PvT, Protoss MUST have either a bigger army with better upgrades (uneven food count vs. T), sick forcefields and perfect control (pulling zealots back and letting stalkers and sentries fight) or AOE to beat a Terran army. Just my opinion though. Edit: Hell, even at the Master's level players can macro properly and hit upgrades when they're done | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On October 26 2011 11:36 iLike413 wrote: Anyone who says "show me a macro protoss herp derp" doesn't really understand the game.... In late game situations terran has the ability to have a much more massive army than toss because they are running off of almost purely mules.. thats at least 30+ extra supply in army comp. Toss have always relied on timing pushes because they are the weakest macro race... Yeah I don't understand why naming a macro toss is relevant; players do whatever they think they have the best chance of winning with, so if they are doing timing attacks it is because that's what they think they have the greatest chance of success with, and they sure as hell know better than you. . Who exactly are you to tell them the reason they are losing is because they don't play macro and instead rely on timing pushes? | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
*shrug* I guess they aren't symmetric races anyway, but it seems that this will put unequal weighting on weapon upgrades, making people go weapon upgrades more than armor or shield. | ||
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Link_Drako
United States53 Posts
This game CANNOT be balanced around anyone under a PRO level. If that were the case, we would still see most of the crap we have in the past. Barracks 1st builds an such as an example. They balance around PROs because it's them that can truly use these units and builds. No one copies a build done by a Diamond player or Masters player. No one cares if your Masters. However, if Boxer decides to start using BCs in a build every game, chances are, every good Terran will do the same. It is ridiculous that these comments have gone from being objective criticism to subjective banter. In all honesty, most of these changes won't even make it into the game. Its in PTR for a reason. | ||
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Pirat6662001
Russian Federation949 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:47 LAN-f34r wrote: Good changes, but the weapons upgrade change seems weird. They currently have the same cost and same use from them. Armor and shield upgrades I understand, since they have to get 2 upgrades compared to everyone else's one. But they were level with weapon upgrades. *shrug* I guess they aren't symmetric races anyway, but it seems that this will put unequal weighting on weapon upgrades, making people go weapon upgrades more than armor or shield. terrans have 4 ground upgrades, zerg and toss only 3 (plus toss shield affects air) | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:49 Pirat6662001 wrote: terrans have 4 ground upgrades, zerg and toss only 3 (plus toss shield affects air) Terran have two different styles though, bio and mech. They can choose to completely ignore one, but if P goes ground, they have 3 relevant. Zerg also kinda have 2 styles, melee (ie ling bling muta) and range (roach hydra infestor ect). More to the point, weapon upgrades effect P more than armor do, at least when you compare the effects to other races. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11086 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:37 Shewklad wrote: Yes, yes. I absolutley agree that there are a few things that is favoring Terrans. BUT I'm very, very afraid that blizzard is gonna overdo it, something they've done a looooot of times before. lol. Emp doesn't rape toss quite as badly. A Spell as good/arguably better (in the context of how the races play out not 1:1) has the same radius as storm. And your caster is still very strong and the rest of your race and your 1/1/1s weren't touched. and yet your afraid of some apocalypse occurring to terran winrates. I don't know what universe terran players live in or what kind of handicaps they want Toss to permanently have. Seriously. Jtan hit the mark I think. Considering how many terrans have been coasting on the stronger race, I wonder if we see more buffs/nerfs what hte appropriate short-term win ratio for terran should be. Edit: This is the race that took 6 months to realise how amazing blue flame hellions are and that EMP is amazing. The race of geniuses. | ||
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jay236
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tutsicockroach
United States57 Posts
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blobrus
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
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EricCartman
Canada306 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:57 jay236 wrote: Just tested the EMP AoE...it's definitely not as effective against fat units (you can probably blanket 2-3 stalkers at max during a reasonable game)...not to say they're useless, I'll probably just make more ghosts. Yeah just make six ghosts instead of four and things won't have changed at all. Not as big a deal as people are trying to make out but definitely a step in the right direction. (I still think increasing feedback range would have been the better solution though.) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45926 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:41 ToguRo wrote: from a spectator standpoint I wish EMP was on the Raven Like the science vessels from BW! On October 26 2011 12:57 jay236 wrote: Just tested the EMP AoE...it's definitely not as effective against fat units (you can probably blanket 2-3 stalkers at max during a reasonable game)...not to say they're useless, I'll probably just make more ghosts. Or just not aim at the stalkers  | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:07 XXXSmOke wrote: I like the emp change and the forge changes good stuff, but while Blizz seems to be following up on everything they said at blizzcon..... Wheres my help with dealing with the late game Zealot????? Im so sick of ppl calling out GSL GSL GSL GSL GSL TvP at Masters level is unbeliavably hard for those of us who wish to not 1-1-1 every game. It's coming in HOTS, the battle hellion? | ||
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tutsicockroach
United States57 Posts
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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