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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43788 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:13 Medrea wrote: Shield upgrade affects buildings as well. Something to consider. Good point. Forgot about that! Perhaps those pesky medivac drops will now pick off 1 out of 100 fewer buildings of mine while I'm trying to chase them down!  | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:09 Genome852 wrote: Yes because Protoss totally care about snipe in TvP... (energy spent on EMP is almost always better than sniping). It wouldn't change TvP at all since HTs will still get sniped down with any excess energy left on the ghosts consider how low HP they have. If snipe had 10 second cooldown it would pretty much never be used in TvZ, and ghost would be even less useful in TvT. EMP can't outright kill units though, it's just shield damage, unlike storm which can instagib an entire army if you have a good position. Each spell has pros and cons, wish people would stop arguing about which one's are 'better'... lol?? Obviously you have never watched select play tvp.... He snipes more than he emps. Whoever says snipe is useless is probably a newb | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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xTrim
472 Posts
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:09 VirgilSC2 wrote: EMP does it's damage instantly from a fast, cloakable unit that has an auto attack as well as the ability to cast Snipe and launch Nukes. Storm does it's damage over time at a (currently) smaller radius, which you can micro out of, from a slow, always visible unit with no other method of protection. I personnaly never killed with EMP, can you show me how to do please ? | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:14 XupinatoR wrote: To guys that complain about psi storm: The damage was nerfed. The radius was nerfed. The amulete too. And now that emp gets patched, you start to act like the world is going to end -.- Yeah. In lower league play, blanket EMPs are the equivalent of a huge IWIN button against protoss. Even at professional levels of play, the punishment for not microing your HTs perfectly or putting them in a prism is pretty harsh. I think that the change, coupled with more protoss players spreading their army prior to an engagement, will be awesome. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
I have the right to agree to something. Please stop talking about leagues, it's stupid, especially witht he fact that I'm master with both races, so I think i can be quite objective. Did you just say talking about leagues is stupid, and then talked about what league you are in? Man balance patches really bring out some interesting people. | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
Protoss gets universal upgrades that affect virtually any unit worth building and can be chrono boosted for a guaranteed upgrade advantage. Now they're also cheaper!? o.O Blizzard never ceases to amaze me with their approach to balance... and I don't mean that in a positive way. | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:16 SoKHo wrote: lol?? Obviously you have never watched select play tvp.... He snipes more than he emps. Whoever says snipe is useless is probably a newb Did I say snipe was useless? Are you trying to say snipe is better than EMP against Toss because select likes to snipe? | ||
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:11 nvs. wrote: I never said it wasn't? Putting words into my mouth? Classic C- argumentation. Just felt that you were implying it. I don't even get why people even bring up the whole khaydarin amulet nerf, that thing was OP as crap. even blizzard wondered why they even let HT have it back when it was removed. Which Dustin answered to kennigit in the interview at blizzcon 2011. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:17 Ermac wrote: Wait a second.... Protoss gets universal upgrades that affect virtually any unit worth building and can be chrono boosted for a guaranteed upgrade advantage. Now they're also cheaper!? o.O Blizzard never ceases to amaze me with their approach to balance... and I don't mean that in a positive way. Yes, we can build a whole stalker! How dare you, Blizzard!? | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
1- ghosts have more hp (it is fucking hard to snipe it with blink stalker or colossus before the emp) 2- ghosts have more movement speed (templars speed = battlecruiser speed) 3- ghosts can cloak 4- ghosts have more range with EMP (3 more "efective range" than feedback) 5- ghosts are not light or armored (like templars or infestors) they take extra damage only to archon 6- ghosts can fight back 10/+10 vs light 7- ghosts can be upgraded to start with 75 energy 8- ghosts takes 40s to build ( templar takes 5s + 44.4s to get energy = 49,4s and delay the warpgate by 45s) 9- ghosts don't need to research EMP, (storm cost 200/200 and takes 110s to research) 10-ghosts are unlocked with a tech lab (50/25/25s) + ghost academy (150/50/40s)= 200/75/65s, while templars "with no storm" you need twilight concil (150/100/50s) + templar archives (150/200/60s)= 300/300/110s; with storm is 500/500/220s 11-ghosts have 1 more sight range EMP and Storm 1- EMP reveals cloack, storm does not 2- EMP can be used to remove energy of yours banshee/BC/thors, Storm can be used to kill the zealots that are trying to reach the kitting marine marauder ball. 3- EMP removes 100 energy 4- EMP minimun damage is 40 (sentry/templar) max is 100 (everything that does not come from gateway takes 100 dmg) it always does the full damage that it is suposed to do. 6- EMP can't be dodged after launch, when you see the EMP, it already did its job 7- EMP is instant, Storm takes 4 seconds to deal 80 dmg, it almost never do 80 dmg usually the kiting marine marauder ball we are almost there!! | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:16 Nightshake wrote: I personnaly never killed with EMP, can you show me how to do please ? Why do people use this argument? It's stupid. Hypothetical protoss unit has 100 shields and 50 HP. EMP takes away 100 shields. 50 HP left. Your units do 50 HP worth of damage. Unit dies. Your EMP did 100 damage. Congratulations, terran is amazing. EDIT: inb4 "micro away to let shields regen". Microing away from a stimmed army while your units try to trample each other: lol. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:17 Mehukannu wrote: Just felt that you were implying it. I don't even get why people even bring up the whole khaydarin amulet nerf, that thing was OP as crap. even blizzard wondered why they even let HT have it back when it was removed. Which Dustin answered to kennigit in the interview at blizzcon 2011. The point was that people keep saying Storm was never nerfed and needs to be nerfed if EMP is going to be, but they forget it has actually been nerfed 3 times already. Had nothing to do with how powerful warp-in storm was. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On October 26 2011 08:54 Mobius_1 wrote: Well, as a Terran I'm obviously not happy about Protoss' cheaper upgrades, but it's fair and no big deal, the total cost difference adds up to less than a Stalker + a Sentry, which wouldn't turn a mid/late-game battle around. Although this might just be Blizzard's way of telling Protoss players to upgrade faster. Ghost change I'm OK with, EMP is a hugely (and probably imba) spell. I'm just a little bit more scared of late game Protoss balls now. Must. Get. More. Ghosts. I don't really think Snipe is imbalanced, at least not right now when all the evidence we have is one game of Mvp vs July. A transition into mass Ghosts in a typical TvZ will starve you of Marines that would only be good if you know you opponent is going to back off and tech to Hive. It's not about what units you can get with the buff, but rather how much sooner you can start them and what you have to cut to do so. If you have to delay your 3rd colossus by 30s to get 2-2 started, then that's 30s that you are more vulnerable. If you have to shift your unit comp to more zealot or sentry heavy to get 2-2 started, that makes you more susceptible to other strats. For Protoss, that difference may end up being 20-30s, a stalker and a sentry, 10-20s faster charge/colossus/storm/archons, but the difference in that timing could mean 10 marines, 20 roaches, stim/combat shields, ghost with EMP, mutas, etc. Changing cost doesn't just add/remove units from the comp, but changes timings as well. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:18 rpgalon wrote: ghosts and templars 1- ghosts have more hp (it is fucking hard to snipe it with blink stalker or colossus before the emp) 2- ghosts have more movement speed (templars speed = battlecruiser speed) 3- ghosts can cloak 4- ghosts have more range with EMP (3 more "efective range" than feedback) 5- ghosts are not light or armored (like templars or infestors) they take extra damage only to archon 6- ghosts can fight back 10/+10 vs light 7- ghosts can be upgraded to start with 75 energy 8- ghosts takes 40s to build ( templar takes 5s + 44.4s to get energy = 49,4s and delay the warpgate by 45s) 9- ghosts don't need to research EMP, (storm cost 200/200 and takes 110s to research) 10-ghosts are unlocked with a tech lab (50/25/25s) + ghost academy (150/50/40s)= 200/75/65s, while templars "with no storm" you need twilight concil (150/100/50s) + templar archives (150/200/60s)= 300/300/110s; with storm is 500/500/220s 11-ghosts have 1 more sight range EMP and Storm 1- EMP reveals cloack, storm does not 2- EMP can be used to remove energy of yours banshee/BC/thors, Storm can be used to kill the zealots that are trying to reach the kitting marine marauder ball. 3- EMP removes 100 energy 4- EMP minimun damage is 40 (sentry/templar) max is 100 (everything that does not come from gateway takes 100 dmg) it always does the full damage that it is suposed to do. 6- EMP can't be dodged after launch, when you see the EMP, it already did its job 7- EMP is instant, Storm takes 4 seconds to deal 80 dmg, it almost never do 80 dmg usually the kiting marine marauder ball we are almost there!! Isn't the whole fucking point of 3 races is that they aren't exactly the same? Why should every race have the same caster. Stupid post. | ||
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:16 nvs. wrote: Did you just say talking about leagues is stupid, and then talked about what league you are in? Man balance patches really bring out some interesting people. Yeah because he thought i was Platinum. Read the whole thing please. | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On October 26 2011 09:18 rpgalon wrote: + Show Spoiler + ghosts and templars 1- ghosts have more hp (it is fucking hard to snipe it with blink stalker or colossus before the emp) 2- ghosts have more movement speed (templars speed = battlecruiser speed) 3- ghosts can cloak 4- ghosts have more range with EMP (3 more "efective range" than feedback) 5- ghosts are not light or armored (like templars or infestors) they take extra damage only to archon 6- ghosts can fight back 10/+10 vs light 7- ghosts can be upgraded to start with 75 energy 8- ghosts takes 40s to build ( templar takes 5s + 44.4s to get energy = 49,4s and delay the warpgate by 45s) 9- ghosts don't need to research EMP, (storm cost 200/200 and takes 110s to research) 10-ghosts are unlocked with a tech lab (50/25/25s) + ghost academy (150/50/40s)= 200/75/65s, while templars "with no storm" you need twilight concil (150/100/50s) + templar archives (150/200/60s)= 300/300/110s; with storm is 500/500/220s 11-ghosts have 1 more sight range EMP and Storm 1- EMP reveals cloack, storm does not 2- EMP can be used to remove energy of yours banshee/BC/thors, Storm can be used to kill the zealots that are trying to reach the kitting marine marauder ball. 3- EMP removes 100 energy 4- EMP minimun damage is 40 (sentry/templar) max is 100 (everything that does not come from gateway takes 100 dmg) it always does the full damage that it is suposed to do. 6- EMP can't be dodged after launch, when you see the EMP, it already did its job 7- EMP is instant, Storm takes 4 seconds to deal 80 dmg, it almost never do 80 dmg usually the kiting marine marauder ball we are almost there!! Not biased at all. | ||
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