New HotS Units/Abilities in Blizzcon - Page 341

On October 23 2011 11:59 Fungal Growth wrote:
Don't know if this has been posted or not, but here is a video from blizzcon from somebody in the graphics department detailing some of the changes they've made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IurLEBNu5Qw&feature=channel_video_title

(eg new physics engine, cleaner look, creep going over protoss buildings...)

On October 23 2011 11:58 Daralii wrote:

Well Dimaga would be overjoyed, but I think they'll just increase the build time by 5 seconds a few dozen times.

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On October 23 2011 11:59 Fungal Growth wrote:
Don't know if this has been posted or not, but here is a video from blizzcon from somebody in the graphics department detailing some of the changes they've made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IurLEBNu5Qw&feature=channel_video_title

(eg new physics engine, cleaner look, creep going over protoss buildings...)

On October 23 2011 11:56 RushtheFront wrote:


I never said Protoss was broken, it just seems like they're trying to solve problems that they've caused with some wacky solution to preserve their pride (and not taking back a decision that they've made). Moving recall from the mothership to the nexus seemed like it was only because of their decision to remove the mothership, which is something I don't understand in the first place as it has just begun to become pretty useful.

What's even weirder is that they mentioned that it wasn't A-movey enough for them, thats why they're removing it and giving Terran the Odin in MP.

Like come on, what kind of logic.

On October 23 2011 12:09 roymarthyup wrote:
im not worried about ZvP in the expansion or vipers taking my collossi

high masters toss here and my PvZ strategy has for a long time been FFE into mass voidray+zealot.

The secret is i get stalkers during the first 14 minutes of the game when its hard to mass voidrays. then after you have 3 bases i make pure zealot/voidray. voidrays beat mutas in equal gas amounts and voidrays beat corrupters in equal gas amounts. 3-3 voidrays beat 3-3 hydras in the lategame. also normally you get a few templars for storm which wrecks hydras

Stalkers are 25 minerals more than a hydralisk and beat it in combat, which seems bad trade for the toss, but usually FFE+ double stargate pressure can make the zerg unable to macro as much as he would like and i normally have enough economy to beat the hydra bust with my zealot/stalker/voidray army + defenders advantage and considering the zerg has to spend 300/300 on a nydus to prevent my defenders advantage i still win due to that high cost of the nydus

What makes stalkers bad is the fact that stalkers with upgrades get raaped by roaches with upgrades. stalkers with upgrades can beat hydras with upgrades, but stalkers with upgrades get DECIMATED by roaches with upgrades.

so i make stalkers before the zerg has 2-2 upgrades. once the zerg has 2-2 upgrades my stalkers become pretty worthless and hopefully most of my stalkers have died during army trades at that point, but in the early game stalkers are pretty strong while the zerg is still on 0-0 and 1-1 upgrades.

after the 14 minute mark when i got 3 bases thats when i put all my gas into voidrays and minerals into zealots.. then i try to add in a mothership when i can (because i get the fleet beacon for extra air upgrades). motherships are removed in the expansion but the mass recall is still there, and tempests seem like they will do lots of nice aoe damage to corrupters

fungal growth does not counter voidrays when you spread them out. its not even close. also the zealots are in your grill and normally you have to decide to fungal my zealots or my voidrays (I dont fly my voidrays over my zealots like a noob. its easy to position and seperate air from the zealot)

i expect alot of PvZ in the expansion to be zealot + mass air + probably some templars for storm. collossi will not see alot of use because vipers will counter them pretty hard

by massing air+zealots, you make it so swarm is a non-issue. who cares if my zealots in your storm? and it doesnt effect air so your all good

On October 23 2011 12:09 Shaman.us wrote:
I think its funny that Blizzard couldn't create a new Protoss unit they liked, so they added the Replicant and said "Hey take some of the Terran or Zerg units, they're pretty good!"

On October 23 2011 12:07 ~Maverick~ wrote:
I really just cannot help but feeling that protoss got shafted. All of these new units that protoss got are expensive and gimmicky; I really don't think that they are what protoss really needs.

I'll wait and see how things flesh out in the actual beta, but if the actual expansion is anything remotely like what they have shown in those videos, I will probably no longer be playing protoss.

On October 23 2011 11:48 ZenithM wrote:
Everyone else see Protoss fast expands being way easier in every matchups, thanks to the Arc shield? It defends early pressure nicely. Would that be too powerful?

On October 23 2011 12:15 Snorkle wrote:


I am starting next ladder season as terran. I picked Protoss in BW because of the storm spell but now terran will have these awesome portable storm generators so i figure its close enough. I was really hopping the HotS preview units would do something to revitalize my interest in protoss but sadly it had the reverse affect. I hat gimmicky units and it looks like blizzard has decided protoss is supposed to revolve around gimmicks so I am getting out of there.

PS I already hate the design decision of warp gates because it is very gimmicky in my opinion and instead of alleviating the amount of gimmicky crap protoss has to work with they seem to have doubled down on it.

On October 23 2011 11:48 Daralii wrote:

But if you have 5 swarm hosts in a 200/200 army, you just got an extra 10 supply worth of units that are significantly bulkier than their counterpart that costs supply. If nothing else, a group of them will keep an opponent from moving out, or can easily keep a base from mining.

On October 23 2011 12:26 Fungal Growth wrote:
That youtube channel 'programmer119' has a number of recently released HOTS videos from blizzcon (focusing mostly on graphics). Here is one on the swarm host:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDd7CaxaiNg&feature=channel_video_title