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dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 15:14:46
October 22 2011 15:14 GMT
#6061
On October 23 2011 00:12 HallBregg wrote:
OMG HOTS is looking pretty bad...I wonder if the game their are playing is the same as the rest of us. I don't understand why they can't have proplayers to brainstorm some ideas for them.


To be fair, the reason for that is that HuK thinks protoss is underpowered, IdrA thinks zerg is underpowered, and terran uhh... hrm...
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
October 22 2011 15:16 GMT
#6062
On October 23 2011 00:10 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:08 Dalguno wrote:
Does anyone else hate the idea of the shredder? It seems that+PF will make it reaaallly difficult to take out a terran expo. It also seems like it'll give terran that much easier control of the map. How the heck are ling run-byes supposed to be viable now?


You can't use it to defend expos as the workers will stop it working.

You seem to think that Terran are going to have 10 of these straight away too. They'll probably need an armory to get and also won't be that useful unless you're going mech.


They seem valuable enough that terran will be sure to get them. No, they won't have 10 straight away, but they'll invest in them. Standard marine/tank players get an armory for +1 on their mech, why not get the shredder for some map control as well?

If you place it in a choke, units won't interfere with it. Unless buildings also disable it, but even then, there are ways to place your buildings that would allow it to still work well.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 22 2011 15:16 GMT
#6063
Replicate a Medivak or 2


Yes warp prism harrasment is good, but this could be borderline op. Make harras so much easier (esp with other units we got) and could strenghten our 'ball' with healing capabilities.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
ZooG
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden618 Posts
October 22 2011 15:16 GMT
#6064
Warhound just makes me sad...
a mech marauder with antiair, ok i guess but the design is just awful would be better to call it goliath with armorpiercing shells or something.

"Rain, also a name for a meteorological condition" -Artosis
MageWarden
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
October 22 2011 15:17 GMT
#6065
the shredder looks like the worst thing ever. Tactically its used to stop countering. It also looks really strong. I dont want to make any assumptions before the game is released tho. Blizzard is gonna be going back and forth on balance the whole time before its release.


Ye so the shredder....
GG WP NO RE
Yazor
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland30 Posts
October 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#6066
nothing we see in the videos is confirmed to be final I guess
lol
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
October 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#6067
On October 23 2011 00:16 ohampatu wrote:
Replicate a Medivak or 2


Yes warp prism harrasment is good, but this could be borderline op. Make harras so much easier (esp with other units we got) and could strenghten our 'ball' with healing capabilities.


medivacs heal bio units

so you replicate a medivac and heal all...uh...zero bio units protoss has? :D

(tl:dr i don't think it works that way)
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ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#6068
The shredder isn't a bad unit either. Good unit with a pf/turret to defend 3/4/5 bases.

Also. Drop a shredder into the minderal line----- This shit would suck and depending on how fast the shredder starts its aoe could be better than marine/rauder drops vs workers.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#6069
On October 23 2011 00:17 MageWarden wrote:
the shredder looks like the worst thing ever. Tactically its used to stop countering. It also looks really strong. I dont want to make any assumptions before the game is released tho. Blizzard is gonna be going back and forth on balance the whole time before its release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YulkJF36w8

Ye so the shredder....


Well to be fair, those roaches were shooting the shredder without it damaging them before the marines "baited" the roaches in.
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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#6070
On October 23 2011 00:17 MageWarden wrote:
the shredder looks like the worst thing ever. Tactically its used to stop countering. It also looks really strong. I dont want to make any assumptions before the game is released tho. Blizzard is gonna be going back and forth on balance the whole time before its release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YulkJF36w8

Ye so the shredder....


I'm normally not so quick on making strong statements...but this has to be the most overpowered unit/skill I've ever seen. Pro-gamers will find ways to make expansions nearly impenetrable
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Spartacus.
Profile Joined April 2010
Turkey84 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#6071
On October 23 2011 00:19 Shurayuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:16 ohampatu wrote:
Replicate a Medivak or 2


Yes warp prism harrasment is good, but this could be borderline op. Make harras so much easier (esp with other units we got) and could strenghten our 'ball' with healing capabilities.


medivacs heal bio units

so you replicate a medivac and heal all...uh...zero bio units protoss has? :D

(tl:dr i don't think it works that way)

Zealots are bio.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#6072
On October 23 2011 00:19 Shurayuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:16 ohampatu wrote:
Replicate a Medivak or 2


Yes warp prism harrasment is good, but this could be borderline op. Make harras so much easier (esp with other units we got) and could strenghten our 'ball' with healing capabilities.


medivacs heal bio units

so you replicate a medivac and heal all...uh...zero bio units protoss has? :D

(tl:dr i don't think it works that way)



It may not, but i could swear in 2v2 medivacks healed gw units.

I mean scv's can repair VR's lol
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Catchafire2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States227 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#6073
Blizzard on balance:

So they started off by talking about the numbers in StarCraft. Worldwide, spread between all leagues the game is fairly balanced. Every matchup is only diverting by 1-2%.

Then they cut out every league except Master and Grandmaster League. Things looked a little different then.

TvZ: Balanced.

TvP: Fine, except in Korea. (10-12% in favor of terran in Korea)

ZvP: Fine, except in Europe. (10-12% in favor of zerg in Europe)


Most everyone try to to copy what the pros are doing on their streams/tournament so if they are struggling, everyone else is struggling. Minimum emphasis should be placed in what's happening at the bronze/silver league as well. The numbers are literally screaming at them PROTOSS IS HARD TO PLAY.
jabooty
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#6074
I initially liked the changes too protoss and terran but the more I think about it the more my opinion changes.

I know all these units will probably still change a lot, but after watching the video the new protoss units just look awful.

The replicant is insanely expensive for a mediocre unit that costs 4(lolwut) supply.

The Oracle has some nice uses but won't make much of an impact, the harass ability is just plain bad since stopping mining for a while doesn't change the game, killing workers does.
The only use I see for this unit is to make double stargate openers in PvZ overpowered, void ray + oracle, sup all ur spores are stunned.

The tempest has some very limited uses so I don't know how useful it will actually be, it seems to kill a lot of air units quite fast when you have about 4-5 tempests which could be nice to kill corrupters and vikings in ur deathball.
The mass muta example was just stupid, I dunno about you guys but that situation might happen once every 5000 PvZ's.

Terran:
I don't have much problems with the warhound(?) and battle hellion since they don't seem OP and are probably good for fixing some things.

But the shredder seems really strange cuz of it's insane dmg.
So u build an expansion, put 1-2 shredders at the ramp out of range of ur own stuff and ur expansion can't be touched by any harass? will 100% be changed.

They got a lot of work to do.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 15:22:06
October 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#6075
On October 23 2011 00:20 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:17 MageWarden wrote:
the shredder looks like the worst thing ever. Tactically its used to stop countering. It also looks really strong. I dont want to make any assumptions before the game is released tho. Blizzard is gonna be going back and forth on balance the whole time before its release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YulkJF36w8

Ye so the shredder....


I'm normally not so quick on making strong statements...but this has to be the most overpowered unit/skill I've ever seen. Pro-gamers will find ways to make expansions nearly impenetrable


It looks like a expensive spidermine that doesn't work if your units are near it. How is that overpowered? To make up for that it's not a one time use thing and takes up production time.
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
October 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#6076
could you guys either kill the link in the quote or at least spoiler it, pretty please?

i like the shredder in that everyone wanted a spider mine like thing and this doesn't come "for free" at least
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s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
October 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#6077
I think if Blizzard is not careful and just wanna make some stuff look cool, the balance issue is gonna be messed up.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#6078
I'm not Protoss and I still feel they got the short end of the stick. A harass caster that can't kill workers, AoE A2A when Phoenixes already slaughter mutas, a unit that can copy other race's units because they're much better than Protoss units. Bah.
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 15:28:20
October 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#6079
On October 22 2011 21:53 secretary bird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 21:25 Dommk wrote:
On October 22 2011 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 22 2011 21:20 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 22 2011 21:15 graniten wrote:
On October 22 2011 21:13 Dommk wrote:
On October 22 2011 21:11 graniten wrote:
replicant is every unit in the game beocuse you can replicant the unit you need for the moment. you can replicant the new units to

Is this confirmed? Being able to re-replicate into a new unit? Because that sounds stupidly Overpowered IMO lol..

i mean you can replicant a swarm host or warhound why couldnt you?

because you could replicate a builder and then build the entire tech tree..


While that sounds cool in theory... we don't ever have the money to do that o.O This isn't Fastest Possible Money Map Ever...

For Zerg yeah, but Terran... Their quick and flexible tech tree might backfire on them

It doesn't take that long to tech to something like a Ghost Academy to make your own Nukes >:D


Seriously replicate svc->build orbital for nice advantage right away-> get ghosts ASAP takes only a few minutes-> EMP their ghosts and medivacs -> own them with FF and storms+colossi


nonono, terrans just need to learn how to split their ghosts and medivacs do they all don't get emp'd (lul...)

good thing cc and orbitals can lift so i can build it anywhere safely, good thing mules pay for everything i did to get it itself wherever it is, good thing an academy only costs 150/50 (same gas as astalker whooohoo), good thing it only requires 1 rax to build too, and the very best part of all? at 100 gas per ghost it won't compete too much with all my good units. thx blizzard

Edit 2 and omfg i just realized i got the new scan ability too!!! release HoTS Now!
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
October 22 2011 15:22 GMT
#6080
Rofl, I love that one of the bullet points on the swarm host was

- Very Zerg
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