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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:07 ckw wrote: Everyone is missing the point here, Blizzard admitted Terran has the most options and then turned around and removed TWO Protoss units and no Terran units. Wtf? They didn't remove two protoss units, they replaced them They were also units NOBODY ever used. | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:02 Osmoses wrote: I feel bad for protoss. The tempest feels like it's fulfilling a need that didn't exist. Archons and templars handled mass muta just fine. And introducing a capital ship just to counter that one composition is... stupid. It's stupid. As for the replicator, how do you balance something like that? That aside, it's gimmicky and silly. The oracle I think is fine, except for the "mineral bubble" spell. I mean what the hell blizzard. I don't even know how to attack that, it's so silly on so many levels. edit: Also, just AXE the damn Thor already. We know you love it, you think it's sooo cool, but it doesn't FIT! did you ever like...play protoss? because Templar Archon doesn't do anything to well controlled MutaClouds, go ask any pros what they think about that and they will probably laugh in your face :o (Incontrol for example continuously raggin on about archons doing jack) | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
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Rutok
9 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:47 atavus wrote: Oh.......... Give me on unit protoss player don't use (except carrier & mothership for various obvious reasons). By the way i don't see any protoss player complaning against mass recall. But oracle do feel lame; so we can harass but we can't kill scv great news. Yeah an only harass spell caster without ANY DPS capacity that cost 200 das at the moment (this may change). The tempest as Blizzard present it; it's just an anti mass muta. Okay as protoss we do miss a potent Air AoE but a late game unit for that seems pretty........urghhhhh. The replicant do like cool : but to me have two problems. One : I don't see how this will not be nerf as hell before the release, if it isn't deleted. Two : Come on: I want a protoss copicat, I want a freakin son of Auir. You ask for one example and then give two yourself that somehow dont count? But ok.. how about warp prism? How about more than one observer? And the oracle doesnt just shut down mining.. it shuts down EVERY building. They even said that if you cast it on a spire you prevent the zerg from building air units (and for quite some time!) Now if this works on hatcheries as well... Since replicant can only copy units that are already in the game it should be fine.. i dont see many protoss saving up 20 replicants to make 20 siege tanks at once.. perhaps its really best used in pvp to cover the tech paths that you didnt take. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:07 Daray wrote: People seem optimistic about the replicator but you have to realise that it comes from the robo and costs 200/200/4. I wonder if the replicated units come with all possible upgrades (Raven comes to mind with 3 upgrades) to that unit or only the activated abilities like cloak. Correct; they specifically said in the video that you will get all upgrades for a unit (they used banshee cloak and raven HSM as examples). I do like your optimism though Dommk, though if you can find me one situation in any game where spending 200/200/4 on a marine instead of any combination of zealot/stalker/immo/colossus, I will gladly upload a video onto youtube of me eating my shoe. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:08 Dalguno wrote: Does anyone else hate the idea of the shredder? It seems that+PF will make it reaaallly difficult to take out a terran expo. It also seems like it'll give terran that much easier control of the map. How the heck are ling run-byes supposed to be viable now? You can't use it to defend expos as the workers will stop it working. You seem to think that Terran are going to have 10 of these straight away too. They'll probably need an armory to get and also won't be that useful unless you're going mech. | ||
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HawtLove
United States113 Posts
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:08 Qikz wrote: They didn't remove two protoss units, they replaced them They were also units NOBODY ever used. if you watched any SC2 the last....what 2-3 weeks? motherships were used massively...and even carriers were used (lol sangho faillll~~) but with the changes mothership became a bit redundant and carriers even when used totally fail so no real complaints (they were used though! ;P) | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:01 BanelingXD wrote: Long term Blizz will suffer too. I held off on buying WoL because of issues I saw in beta and after my experience here at Blizzcon i can't say I see the point in buying HotS. SC2 just doesn't make me want to play it. I bet the crowd that appreciates competetive gaming, like the esports crowd or maybe the kind of person that likes to play Go or Chess will be turned off by this. You'll get the type that likes the flashy stuff and Blizz will get money but they're sacrificing their reputation. If Blizz wanted to do something correctly they'd hire a guy with a math background who has expertise in game theory to balance the units and races. Did I mention how Browder and Kim make me feel like Tollface cloned himself? You better stop playing this game as you seem to dislike, well, everything. If SC2 just doesn't make you want to play it then stop playing it. It's just so easy.. Feels like you lose more than win by playing and thinking about this game. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:09 Rutok wrote: You ask for one example and then give two yourself that somehow dont count? But ok.. how about warp prism? How about more than one observer? And the oracle doesnt just shut down mining.. it shuts down EVERY building. They even said that if you cast it on a spire you prevent the zerg from building air units (and for quite some time!) Now if this works on hatcheries as well... Since replicant can only copy units that are already in the game it should be fine.. i dont see many protoss saving up 20 replicants to make 20 siege tanks at once.. perhaps its really best used in pvp to cover the tech paths that you didnt take. Carriers and to a lesser extent motherships are not used because they just suck unless you catch your opponent incredibly off guard. Might as well ask BW protoss why they don't build Scouts. Both multiple observers and warp prisms are extremely common nowadays. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9419 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:01 BanelingXD wrote: Long term Blizz will suffer too. I held off on buying WoL because of issues I saw in beta and after my experience here at Blizzcon i can't say I see the point in buying HotS. SC2 just doesn't make me want to play it. I bet the crowd that appreciates competetive gaming, like the esports crowd or maybe the kind of person that likes to play Go or Chess will be turned off by this. You'll get the type that likes the flashy stuff and Blizz will get money but they're sacrificing their reputation. If Blizz wanted to do something correctly they'd hire a guy with a math background who has expertise in game theory to balance the units and races. Did I mention how Browder and Kim make me feel like Tollface cloned himself? They probably will. If there was another company that had competent programmers and marketing staff, who worked closely together with progamers and understood their needs, i bet they could make a better game. You dont kill a monoply (which blizzard almost is) over night though. It will take long long time. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:07 ckw wrote: Everyone is missing the point here, Blizzard admitted Terran has the most options and then turned around and removed TWO Protoss units and no Terran units. Wtf? They didn't remove two protoss units, they replaced them I'm a protoss player and expect blizzard to keep back the "major" buff for the 2nd expansion - somehow it makes sense that protoss still seems to lack "something" just remember how "balanced" starcraft vanilla was...it was terrible, lol; we still have a long way to go until we even reach broodwar-comparability on paper | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:02 Osmoses wrote: I feel bad for protoss. The tempest feels like it's fulfilling a need that didn't exist. Archons and templars handled mass muta just fine. And introducing a capital ship just to counter that one composition is... stupid. It's stupid. As for the replicator, how do you balance something like that? That aside, it's gimmicky and silly. The oracle I think is fine, except for the "mineral bubble" spell. I mean what the hell blizzard. I don't even know how to attack that, it's so silly on so many levels. Oracle is garbage. It's incredibly haphazard. Entomb is infuriating. A drop by a skilled player will do more damage than a crappy drop, but an oracle raid by a pro will do no more damage than an oracle raid by a bronze player. Preordain is stupid too -- "Target an enemy structure to gain vision and knowledge of that building for 2 minutes." Absolutely useless! In a lower league, 2 minutes notice is going to mean nothing at all; in a higher league, people are almost always going to know what the opponent is doing just by looking at the composition and the build, because play styles are refined. | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:09 Rutok wrote: You ask for one example and then give two yourself that somehow dont count? But ok.. how about warp prism? How about more than one observer? And the oracle doesnt just shut down mining.. it shuts down EVERY building. They even said that if you cast it on a spire you prevent the zerg from building air units (and for quite some time!) Now if this works on hatcheries as well... Since replicant can only copy units that are already in the game it should be fine.. i dont see many protoss saving up 20 replicants to make 20 siege tanks at once.. perhaps its really best used in pvp to cover the tech paths that you didnt take. wait really? wow that could have some nice repercussions in PvP! (also greater spire/ultra cavern) suddenly the oracle looks shiny and nice to me :o | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:10 Shurayuki wrote: if you watched any SC2 the last....what 2-3 weeks? motherships were used massively...and even carriers were used (lol sangho faillll~~) but with the changes mothership became a bit redundant and carriers even when used totally fail so no real complaints (they were used though! ;P) Fair enough, I understand they showed up in tournaments over the past few weeks, but the trouble was with collosus forcing AtA making the carrier and mothership useless.  | ||
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:10 Everlong wrote: You better stop playing this game as you seem to dislike, well, everything. If SC2 just doesn't make you want to play it then stop playing it. It's just so easy.. Feels like you lose more than win by playing and thinking about this game. Maybe he wants to play the sequel to StarCraft, though. It's there underneath the mess. The engine is top notch, and the mechanics are top notch. But the content is bordering on stupid right now. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:10 Qikz wrote: You can't use it to defend expos as the workers will stop it working. You seem to think that Terran are going to have 10 of these straight away too. They'll probably need an armory to get and also won't be that useful unless you're going mech. Range looked to be only about 5 or so, you don't have to put them literally in your mineral line... Also they specifically mentioned that these things would be cheap. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:10 Qikz wrote: You can't use it to defend expos as the workers will stop it working. You seem to think that Terran are going to have 10 of these straight away too. They'll probably need an armory to get and also won't be that useful unless you're going mech. How can you not use it? People will put it around the base, cutting all paths into the base. You don't have to place it directly on top of your workers, just put it in a choke and you're done. It makes even planetaries redundant, I guess Terrans can get more MULEs now. | ||
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HallBregg
134 Posts
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MikeT
Canada35 Posts
I hope we'll see some additional Zerg stuff added before release. There's a few other issues that need to be addressed, as Zerg tech right now is extremely limited before lair tech, and early anti air and scouting are still an issue. As well, Adrenal Glands needs to be buffed, redesigned or removed... I read a thread realizing I forgot it was still in the game. Personally, I'm excited for all the new stuff. My only issue is realizing it could be past next year at this time before I get to try it out for myself  | ||
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