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Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 08:52:54
October 22 2011 08:51 GMT
#5521
:D
Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
October 22 2011 08:52 GMT
#5522
On October 22 2011 17:50 dump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 17:50 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:48 dump wrote:
Browder says tempests are good for dealing with end-game mutalisks, but don't archons already do the same thing?

The only other problem with mutas is that they're way too fast, and protoss can't leave base... that situation's not going to be helped at all by swarm host.

your going to leave an archons or few valuable archons behind ur base while pushing? i dont think so either


And leaving behind tempests is better?


well its a flying unit so it cna pretty much fly back and forth
:D
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
October 22 2011 08:52 GMT
#5523
Replicants video is so terribad xD 1000 minerals and 1000 gas for 5 tanks that "counter" like 20 marines (1000 mins) that were a-moved with no stim, no shield, no upgrades, and ofc no focus fire.
Revolutionist fan
RisingTide
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia769 Posts
October 22 2011 08:52 GMT
#5524
Also, I can't find anyone linking to this thread on reddit that has info and videos of all the new units/abilities.
ClS
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden14 Posts
October 22 2011 08:53 GMT
#5525
Well no one should really be surpriced that the expansion brings terrible balance problems to the game... What we also should know from experiance is that these problems will be solved over time. Much as Brood War set the standard for StarCraft, so will also the last expansion, Legacy of the Void, do for StarCraft 2.

Until then we will have to live with these "upsetting" and "re-setting" changes...

The only thing I feel is hurtful is those nostalgic feelings I have for units like the Carrier... And also I am somewhat sceptic to putting replicas of other nostalgic units as the Goliath, Lurker and Firebat in the game - instead of actually just bringing those old horses back to life!

Yet... I know I have grown old, and I also know that this is what happens to people when they grow old... They relate back to their youth and think; "it was so much better when I was young... I Knew how to relate to things back then!"

Yet, once again, I will have to overcome...
~ ROCKET JUMP !!
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
October 22 2011 08:53 GMT
#5526
On October 22 2011 17:52 Janders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 17:50 dump wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:50 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:48 dump wrote:
Browder says tempests are good for dealing with end-game mutalisks, but don't archons already do the same thing?

The only other problem with mutas is that they're way too fast, and protoss can't leave base... that situation's not going to be helped at all by swarm host.

your going to leave an archons or few valuable archons behind ur base while pushing? i dont think so either


And leaving behind tempests is better?


well its a flying unit so it cna pretty much fly back and forth


Nexus will have recall now guys :3
Revolutionist fan
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
October 22 2011 08:54 GMT
#5527
On October 22 2011 17:51 Janders wrote:
well its a flying unit so it pretty much can bounce back and forth


It's still about as slow as carriers. Blizz is using larger maps now, so the muta's speed just makes it harder and harder to do anything.

If maybe protoss had better harassment units, but the oracle doesn't actually do any damage at all...
PeggyHill
Profile Joined February 2011
1494 Posts
October 22 2011 08:54 GMT
#5528
On October 22 2011 17:50 dump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 17:50 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:48 dump wrote:
Browder says tempests are good for dealing with end-game mutalisks, but don't archons already do the same thing?

The only other problem with mutas is that they're way too fast, and protoss can't leave base... that situation's not going to be helped at all by swarm host.

your going to leave an archons or few valuable archons behind ur base while pushing? i dont think so either


And leaving behind tempests is better?


Just recall the tempests :D
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
October 22 2011 08:56 GMT
#5529
On October 22 2011 17:53 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 17:52 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:50 dump wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:50 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:48 dump wrote:
Browder says tempests are good for dealing with end-game mutalisks, but don't archons already do the same thing?

The only other problem with mutas is that they're way too fast, and protoss can't leave base... that situation's not going to be helped at all by swarm host.

your going to leave an archons or few valuable archons behind ur base while pushing? i dont think so either


And leaving behind tempests is better?


well its a flying unit so it cna pretty much fly back and forth


Nexus will have recall now guys :3


Is there any information on what kind of tech is needed to use recall? I try to use up all my chrono boosts, so I hope it's at least not as inaccessible as the mothership recall...
Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
October 22 2011 08:56 GMT
#5530
On October 22 2011 17:54 dump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 17:51 Janders wrote:
well its a flying unit so it pretty much can bounce back and forth


It's still about as slow as carriers. Blizz is using larger maps now, so the muta's speed just makes it harder and harder to do anything.

If maybe protoss had better harassment units, but the oracle doesn't actually do any damage at all...


leave 2 tempest to defend muta harass much better than infinite numbers of archons that can just magic box em easily
:D
ClueLessx3
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia53 Posts
October 22 2011 08:57 GMT
#5531
So you block the mineral line with oracle and this gets destroyed by units.
Does that mean you can put 1 marine in each mineral line and then oracles does no dmg to the economy at all? thats a bit silly
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
October 22 2011 08:57 GMT
#5532
I'll be sad if this is actually popular, I'm hoping pros will speak up about how stupid most of this shit is. Maybe blizzard can still change stuff for the better but i can't say i have much hope after seeing these previews.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 22 2011 08:57 GMT
#5533
phew atleast my thor stays ingame >.> . But carriers and mothership gone ... that sucks, atleast the other races got more unappealing so i might be able to stay terran full time yay XD
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
October 22 2011 09:01 GMT
#5534
On October 22 2011 17:56 dump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 17:53 Salteador Neo wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:52 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:50 dump wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:50 Janders wrote:
On October 22 2011 17:48 dump wrote:
Browder says tempests are good for dealing with end-game mutalisks, but don't archons already do the same thing?

The only other problem with mutas is that they're way too fast, and protoss can't leave base... that situation's not going to be helped at all by swarm host.

your going to leave an archons or few valuable archons behind ur base while pushing? i dont think so either


And leaving behind tempests is better?


well its a flying unit so it cna pretty much fly back and forth


Nexus will have recall now guys :3


Is there any information on what kind of tech is needed to use recall? I try to use up all my chrono boosts, so I hope it's at least not as inaccessible as the mothership recall...


They said they wanted to encourage early and mid game agression with it, so it should not come in too late... I can see them realizing how powerful it is and moving it to Fleet Beacon tho.

I know I would make it cost more energy instead, of course. At 75 energy is a steal.
Revolutionist fan
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
October 22 2011 09:03 GMT
#5535
I'm trying really hard to maintain faith in blizzard right now. A lot of the changes, particularly for Protoss, have me a little bit concerned. Its comforting to know that no matter what happens to SC2, BW will still be around lol.

I can't wait to hear the pro opinions on the previews, especially from players who got a chance to test it out.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Rizell
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden237 Posts
October 22 2011 09:04 GMT
#5536
So, where is all the player reviews of people who actually got to play some HoTs MP on BlizzCon? Links please ! <3
So poor, cant' even pay attention.
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
October 22 2011 09:05 GMT
#5537
I really don't understand what issues people have with these units. Blizz listens to what each race wants/needs. This much is clear. So, really, what are the problems people have?
Baller Fanclub || CheAse Fanclub || Scarlett Fanclub || LJD FIGHTING!
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
October 22 2011 09:05 GMT
#5538
I think the nexus recall ability is the smartest and best addition of them all. Wich is why i find it unlikely that it will make it past the alpha im praying that they will keep it though.
you no take candle
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
October 22 2011 09:06 GMT
#5539
On October 22 2011 17:57 ClueLessx3 wrote:
So you block the mineral line with oracle and this gets destroyed by units.
Does that mean you can put 1 marine in each mineral line and then oracles does no dmg to the economy at all? thats a bit silly


Yep they managed to make 2 new flyers for protoss that get countered by the marine, just like all the others and the removed ones xD One doesn't really do any damage to anything and it's best ability is to deny tech, which is only really cool against zerg.

Not like the replicant looks any good against the marine either, unless you can mimic a ghost and nuke with it xD
Revolutionist fan
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
October 22 2011 09:07 GMT
#5540
On October 22 2011 18:05 dogabutila wrote:
I really don't understand what issues people have with these units. Blizz listens to what each race wants/needs. This much is clear. So, really, what are the problems people have?

Toss didnt get anything to solve their Tier 2 issues and the "Harass" unit is underwhelming.

Also the terran units where way to strong and should have been given to a unit that needed them.
you no take candle
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