EPTNew infestation pit unit like a lurker, but spawns two high-dps units every 15 seconds or so while burrowed. <--- another way to harass, gj blizz.. like protoss was ok at harassing
Basically, expect zerg to dominate as much as terran does atm?
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
New infestation pit unit like a lurker, but spawns two high-dps units every 15 seconds or so while burrowed. <--- another way to harass, gj blizz.. like protoss was ok at harassing Basically, expect zerg to dominate as much as terran does atm? | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On October 22 2011 14:56 Krehlmar wrote: Are they removing units for the other races? Because terran has 24 if im not mistaken and protoss 25 with mothership included whilst zerg has 22(23 with broodling?) or something. And now with only 2 more to zerg with 3 to all the others? :/ Yes. I believe the hellion is being replaced with the new hellion and the thor is being removed. Protoss is losing the mothership and the carrier. | ||
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vicml21
Canada165 Posts
Krehlmar, I read somewhere (can't rmb where, might even be front page of this thread) that carriers motherships were removed. I don't really count queens and broodlings as units, as you only get them in very certain situations (and queens rarely ever attack). But they're definitely not just adding these as they did in Brood Wars. I also read about a nerf to EMP. I wonder if emp might not be as overpowered if the radius was a little less? I'm not a pro at terran, I don't even play the race, but one of the reason it may be so effective now is due to better pathing, resulting in units being a lot closer together than they used to. I wonder if anyone feels the same? | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
I think that mass recall will be enough to defend these drops, floating away buildings seems too much like fluff and unnecessary. More about being able to secure expansions and giving your enemy little time to react. The most devastating time to strike a Protoss expansion is to kill it just before it finishes warping in, at that point they lose both time and resources. Orbitals however can't be denied if you build them in your base or an location that is too obscure for your enemy to suspect it being built there. In general, being able to recall your Probes then lift the Orbital making the marauders useless is much better than having the standard Nexus which will disappear in the blink of an eye to the combined force of Marine Marauder hit squad | ||
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joyeaux
United States169 Posts
On October 22 2011 14:27 ZorBa.G wrote: EDIT: I can already such compositions as; ling/infestor/viper ling/bling/viper ling/muta/viper Melee won't synergize well with viper in ZvT, remember that ranged armies can just back up out of the blinding cloud. Marines already have to run away from banelings anyway. Battle hellions will destroy lings and blings too, so I am scared to rely on them. I envision roach hydra standing just outside siege tank range, with vipers grabbing the expensive tanks one by one. If terran attacks into the zerg without ghost support, blinding cloud will neuter terran DPS while fungal growth prevents retreat. It's going to be a caster war, viper vs. ghost, and I am fine with that. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:07 darkness wrote: Hydra speed increased. <--- imba New infestation pit unit like a lurker, but spawns two high-dps units every 15 seconds or so while burrowed. <--- another way to harass, gj blizz.. like protoss was ok at harassing Basically, expect zerg to dominate as much as terran does atm? if zerg can dominate as much as terran, then that'd be more balance than just terran dominating as the trend was pre 1.4. The hope is to make all races strong, and all of their units viable, blizzard knows this. They aren't going to ignore protoss, and 1.4 was testament to that. David kim and dustin browder even talked about reducing emp radius all because of PvT, isn't that enough to convince you that they care? | ||
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Bobble
Australia1493 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:08 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote: Yes. I believe the hellion is being replaced with the new hellion and the thor is being removed. Protoss is losing the mothership and the carrier. Hellions aren't being replaced, you can transform them into battle Hellions and vice versa. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:12 emc wrote: if zerg can dominate as much as terran, then that'd be more balance than just terran dominating as the trend was pre 1.4. The hope is to make all races strong, and all of their units viable, blizzard knows this. They aren't going to ignore protoss, and 1.4 was testament to that. David kim and dustin browder even talked about reducing emp radius all because of PvT, isn't that enough to convince you that they care? If they really cared, they would have done that a long time ago. Also, why can't we still watch reps with friends? Why is there no clan support? Why can't we change account names more than once? And about Hots: how are we supposed to make colossi when that new unit picks colossi and draws them to zerg army.. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:14 darkness wrote: If they really cared, they would have done that a long time ago. Also, why can't we still watch reps with friends? Why is there no clan support? Why can't we change account names more than once? And about Hots: how are we supposed to make colossi when that new unit picks colossi and draws them to zerg army.. make tempest and own all the air? or make, uh I dunno HT and feedback? Is this a balance thread really? | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:07 darkness wrote: Hydra speed increased. <--- imba New infestation pit unit like a lurker, but spawns two high-dps units every 15 seconds or so while burrowed. <--- another way to harass, gj blizz.. like protoss was ok at harassing Basically, expect zerg to dominate as much as terran does atm? those swarm host things everyone is saying is like a lurker (which its not) seems to only be good in mass. and even in mass it dont seem very overwhelming because of how slowly it spawns units. BUT there FREE units so cant complain much. also idk why ppl are saying the oracle sucks. it basically has the ability to shut down entire bases including the abilit to shutdown production and shut down researching if im not mistaken. that is huge if ur opponent is going for some kind of timing push. i can also see it being used alot in PvP by stopping colo production or something.. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:09 Dommk wrote: More about being able to secure expansions and giving your enemy little time to react. The most devastating time to strike a Protoss expansion is to kill it just before it finishes warping in, at that point they lose both time and resources. Orbitals however can't be denied if you build them in your base or an location that is too obscure for your enemy to suspect it being built there. In general, being able to recall your Probes then lift the Orbital making the marauders useless is much better than having the standard Nexus which will disappear in the blink of an eye to the combined force of Marine Marauder hit squad LOL it would be so funny if the highest level PvT becomes getting the earliest replicant possible, copying an scv, and making orbitals. Then toss has mules to negate worker harass, liftoff for base snipes, and scans for unkillable detection! It scares me that this seems like the best use of the replicant. | ||
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Arko.is
Iceland35 Posts
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Sanchonator
Australia490 Posts
On October 22 2011 14:50 ZorBa.G wrote: This is just it though, Terran really do have to worry about placement on the battlefield. Every race does. It's actually easier for a Toss or Zerg to get their army into place then what it is for a Terran. Zerg has creep, Toss has observers. Yeah, Terran has scans.... but who the hell wastes scans on JUST trying to get their amry into place relative to where the oppossitions army is? Theres a whole map your looking at, the chances you waste a scan on nothing but terrain is fairly high, lol. I am not saying at all that Zerg and Toss requires no micro and tbh, after this expansion... it's seems like the Zerg race will actualy get even more micro intensive. But Toss really is the race the requires the least mirco, I don't know why you would want to deny that or why you would get offended by that. Hey if all I had to do is just get my army formations right before I attack an army and make sure I get storm off, I'd be over the moon. However, I do know there is heaps more to the toss race, such as spending chronos wisely..... is that a joke? Sensor towers are pretty good y0.. and everyone uses scans to check positioning? especially in TvT.. i dnt know what you are trying to argue (btw pressing T and 1a is harder than perfectly placing FF?) | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:16 Fig wrote: LOL it would be so funny if the highest level PvT becomes getting the earliest replicant possible, copying an scv, and making orbitals. Then toss has mules to negate worker harass, liftoff for base snipes, and scans for unkillable detection! It scares me that this seems like the best use of the replicant. for some reason you reminded me of protoss countering mule drops by using oracles. Especially those moments when terran gets a gold and drops all his mules... | ||
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joyeaux
United States169 Posts
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On October 22 2011 15:00 ZorBa.G wrote: I must say, Z v T lategame.... it seems almost impossible for Terran to compete now. Let the Terran all-ins "only" against Zerg begin.....and I mean ONLY. I don't want to speculate just yet, but thats how it seems. Ahem....you just did. Well....i say let Terrans feel for the first time how it is to be <50% in any mu. | ||
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fros7
Canada32 Posts
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hobosrus
United States99 Posts
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