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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Noidberg
United States17 Posts
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SnowK
United States245 Posts
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Crysack
Australia94 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:06 Crisco wrote: it's not melee range.. it is infinite range as long as you have vision Apologies, I'm not sure where I got the impression it was melee range from. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:04 xDaunt wrote: I don't get why Blizzard hasn't figured out that toss has Tier 1-2 problem. I don't see how these units address it. The replicant theoretically could, but it's too damned expensive. EDIT: And for the record, Toss has had a Tier 1-2 problem since beta. This isn't anything new. Replicant and oracle look like they both could have some early tier 2 applications. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:04 awesomoecalypse wrote: They really dont take that long to get. With Chrono, they build in well under a minute. They build only slightly more slowly than Void Rays, and no slower than Colossus. They are definitely not some Carrier, Mothership, BC type thing that takes a lifetime to build. Fleet Beacon req, though. I can sky toss opening with phoenixes for harass and then gradually transitioning into tempests as the phoenixes become less and less efficient. I consider it to be a flying colossus, personally. On October 22 2011 12:08 Crysack wrote: Apologies, I'm not sure where I got the impression it was melee range from. It was part of Josh Suth's preview, I think. The build he played/saw was probably out of date. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:07 NicolBolas wrote: Because it's not Dark Swarm. Different abilities are different; just because someone called it Dark Swarm doesn't make it Dark Swarm. It's basically the same as dark swarm, it's used for area denial and unit preservation. Cloud is higher risk-reward as zerg wants to spread his units out to get maximum surface area, while p/t will remain relatively clumped up. 1-2 clouds will cover most of the opponent's army, which would have the same effect as many more dark swarms just based on the nature of the spells. Lategame, I can envision Z getting massive cost-effective engagements when infestors can lock units in clouds, which I think will impact balance, unless infestor is getting the axe. | ||
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DARKHYDRA
United States303 Posts
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:03 Ballistixz wrote: you have no idea what the viper cloud does. for all we know it can only effect ground units and last only 5-10 seconds with a very short radius. you also have no clue what the cast range is on vipers so your cute patrol move corruptors would be useless if the cast range is like 4 or 5. what i was saying was that PDD gives u enough time to snipe the vipers without u having to worry about corruptors hurting ur vikings. alternativly u can also use hunter seeker misseles since they were buffed last patch. a: Even if it's only ground units and a short time, zerg has some of the fastest units in the game. Your ability to capitalize on the opening is only limited by your ability to 1a b: Terran would still have to snipe vipers. Thus spread them out. Thus kill vikings. If terran isn't proactive, they can't do shit. c: Spread vipers take more time to kill than you would have without seriously gimping your ground army with viking count. d: lets not forget, magic fungal growth too! | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:09 lariat wrote: It's basically the same as dark swarm, it's used for area denial and unit preservation. Cloud is higher risk-reward as zerg wants to spread his units out to get maximum surface area, while p/t will remain relatively clumped up. 1-2 clouds will cover most of the opponent's army, which would have the same effect as many more dark swarms just based on the nature of the spells. No, it isn't "basically" anything. Dark Swarm cases ranged attacks not to do direct damage to units under the Dark Swarm. This ability causes units under the cloud to have their range reduced to 1. They may have similar effects (force the enemy to react), but they're not the same, "basically" or otherwise. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
compare that to 0 gas for 4 hellions or 200 gas for TWO banshees that cause permanent economic damage. 400 gas for 4 Hellions...which will definitely die if/when used for harass. Oh, and to get them into your opponent's base, they either need to make a mistake, or you need drop tech. And you'll likely want BFH as well. So really, to get Hellion drops really up and running you need an upgrade, two different production buildings,and a 100/100 medivac in addition to the Hellions themselves, after which they may or may not do huge damage, but will almost certainly die. Whereas for an Oracle ready to harass you need one building, and once you have an Oracle you can hit their mineral line again and again, and can much more easily keep your Oracle alive throughout. It also opens up other utility like shutting down defense or screwing with tech or improved scouting. There are advantages and disadvantages to each. But saying "400 minerals to kill a whole mineral line vs. 200 gas to not kill anything, T imba P sucks!!!11!" is really, really reductive and silly. Right now, JYP has had a decent amount of success with sentry drops. Those take multiple tech structures for the prism and the sentries, and cost a ton of gas. The Oracle does the same thing much, much better, for less investment. For twice the gas of a Phoenix it does vastly better harass than two Phoenixes ever will (and, if you want to combine them, they synergize well). | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Betalump
United States109 Posts
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
to the people upset about PvT .... something that is getting overlooked David Kim said during the panel "EMP radius to get nerfed Forge upgrades to cost less or less time" Patch will happen in WoL Im a Zerg but that should help right ? | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:13 darkness wrote: Btw, I can't understand that. Blizzard said terran was a complete race, yet you see all races get an equal number of units... I don't know if the hellion transformer counts as a new unit, but it's still ridiculous. Why would they just not expand a race for an expansion? | ||
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Ksi
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On October 22 2011 12:09 lariat wrote: It's basically the same as dark swarm, it's used for area denial and unit preservation. Cloud is higher risk-reward as zerg wants to spread his units out to get maximum surface area, while p/t will remain relatively clumped up. 1-2 clouds will cover most of the opponent's army, which would have the same effect as many more dark swarms just based on the nature of the spells. Lategame, I can envision Z getting massive cost-effective engagements when infestors can lock units in clouds, which I think will impact balance, unless infestor is getting the axe. It's closer to disruption web than anything. Not as great as dark swarm in my opinion...but situationally better against tanks I suppose. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:14 ToguRo wrote: to the people upset about PvT .... something that is getting overlooked David Kim said during the panel "EMP radius to get nerfed Forge upgrades to cost less or less time" Patch will happen in WoL Im a Zerg but that should help right ? REALLY? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On October 22 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote: Why would they just not expand a race for an expansion? I'm not saying no expansion at all, but terran doesn't need more than 1-2 new units.. and they get 3 now. | ||
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Xolo
Canada107 Posts
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