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TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
October 21 2011 23:53 GMT
#4401
poor ThorZaIN
Dixer_ca^^ | Polt | Byun | MKP | DRG | White-Ra | Beastyqt | Maru | Creator
Eisenheim
Profile Joined May 2011
France229 Posts
October 21 2011 23:53 GMT
#4402
On October 22 2011 08:51 Jumonji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:48 TERRANLOL wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:47 Bibdy wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:42 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:40 ayaz2810 wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:37 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:33 iNotZerg wrote:
I gave in and bought the panel stream...so..
Random things Im typing while watching the stream.

They note that these things can be changed.

~so the replicant can copy any unit you have vision, and you automatically get the upgrades, according to david kim.
~ viper is a seige breaker.
~brood host spawns 4 locust that has 90 hp and 16 dmg.
~oracle can disable buildings, such as spores, and spines, as well as phase out tech structure.
~oracle is pretty fast. (looks as fast as a muta IMO)
~Reapers can regenerate health.
~Hive tech burrow move for banelings.
~Hive speed upgrade for hydras.
~Dustin said he thinks that the replicant will be op because it will force terran to not build seige tanks/ghost/bcs
~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba.
~as of right now, that psudo cannon for toss requires gateway.


More info as soon as i get them.


...

SC2 is doomed.


I despise ghosts in PvT, but I think a game design that forces any units out of the equation is very bad.


Huh? I'm saying Dustin Browder is retarded if he thinks Protoss being able to produce Ghosts or Siege Tanks for 200/200 a piece would even be good in PvT, much less "op".


There's more to the game than resource costs. I get the point he's making. Just look at what a few tanks in TvT do. Replicating a couple of Siege tanks with a Protoss army would make a Terran very wary of being the aggressor (something which they're usually quite happy and eager to be).


The thing I fear most about replicators is the synergy between units. Like the synergy between perhaps siege tanks, zealots and sentries.


Like friendly damage your zealoth with the enemy while they can't move because of ff?


Need fun ?

1. Replicator into Infest
2. Combine Fungal & Psystorm
3. ???
4. Profit
ToD, DeMusliM, White-ra, Stephano, MVP !
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4403
1 mineral per second is more than a drone mines....
you could target your own buildings....
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4404
Yo zergs, I'm gonna copy your queen and help you with that creep spread. I SEE ALL!!
:)
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4405
On October 22 2011 08:47 Elean wrote:
It's hard to tell what will be the consequences of all these changes, but I really can't see how mass recall for 75 nexus energy can not be overpowered.

Not to mention it rewards the player with bad macro.


I find it funny to see that most protoss can see something with their own race and agree that it may very well be overpowered

Most other races see something in their own race that may very well be OP and deny it flat out and try to deflect blame to forcefields

I play protoss and I am fully open to the possibility that mass recall for 75 energy may be OP

http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
diLLa
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands247 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4406
new way to deal with infestors. replicate infestor -> neural parasite next infestor -> neural parasite next infestor -> you get the deal.
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4407
Replicator needs to go. It's more of a gimmicky unit than a useful one, and I think the Starcraft style is all about utility and micro-ability. Replicator offers neither, it merely punishes the opponent for teching. It will be difficult to balance between uselessness and overpoweredness. Better that we just part ways now.
GuMiho <3
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4408
Removing Overseers sounds like the most broken thing of all.

Tell me, what is Zerg going to do about DT openings?
What unit will make a good enough mobile detector to be worth 200 gas?
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
October 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#4409
On the note of bunkers, couldn't 2v2 partners now build bunkers, drain them for minerals and then salvage on low hp to actually generate additional minerals?

Or a 1v1 Zerg with an SCV and a Rax but with not enough minerals for a Hatchery after a fight (unlikely I admit) be able to produce bunkers and then consume them with corruptors, salvage and repeat?
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:56:30
October 21 2011 23:55 GMT
#4410
On October 22 2011 08:54 hugman wrote:
Removing Overseers sounds like the most broken thing of all.

Tell me, what is Zerg going to do about DT openings?
What unit will make a good enough mobile detector to be worth 200 gas?

Same thing as what they do now.They get a evo chamber at 7 minutes and a single spore in front of the base and bam.DT proof.
Incorporated evo chamber timing is what made DT expand's like the worst opening ever in PvZ.
Cackle™
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
October 21 2011 23:55 GMT
#4411
The more I think about it the less im excited for the new expansion. Terran still seems like the best race out there.

I mean a hellion that gets a HEALTH and ARMOUR bonus AFTER transforming? -_-
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
ChibiSage
Profile Joined June 2011
36 Posts
October 21 2011 23:55 GMT
#4412
Wow, even if you take away the zerg and anti terran bias it seems like zerg the most love lol
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4413
Replicant = death ball, now with infestors.

Fuck that.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:57:22
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4414
On October 22 2011 08:52 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:46 Belisarius wrote:
Have people considered what happens when a zerg gets vipers and infestors? Fungaling units in place under dark swarm is the most broken thing I've ever heard of.

And blinding cloud or whatever it's called is a silence. I can't believe this.


Almost like Maelstrom + Psistrom/dist web, eh? xDDDD


Nobody used dark archons. Everyone will use vipers for their detection and anti-colossus abilities. Plus they're flying, and autocast makes chaining spells much easier. And infestors are already really good. Maelstrom also didn't do 30+ aoe damage.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4415
On October 22 2011 08:54 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:47 Elean wrote:
It's hard to tell what will be the consequences of all these changes, but I really can't see how mass recall for 75 nexus energy can not be overpowered.

Not to mention it rewards the player with bad macro.


I find it funny to see that most protoss can see something with their own race and agree that it may very well be overpowered

Most other races see something in their own race that may very well be OP and deny it flat out and try to deflect blame to forcefields

I play protoss and I am fully open to the possibility that mass recall for 75 energy may be OP


For what it's worth, I'm a Zerg and moving burrowed banelings sounds completely broken zvt.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4416
On October 22 2011 08:54 caradoc wrote:
1 mineral per second is more than a drone mines....
you could target your own buildings....


yeah man you'll have a super expensive hover drone. it'll pay out after like 300 seconds.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4417
On October 22 2011 08:55 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:54 hugman wrote:
Removing Overseers sounds like the most broken thing of all.

Tell me, what is Zerg going to do about DT openings?
What unit will make a good enough mobile detector to be worth 200 gas?

Same thing as what they do now.They get a evo chamber at 7 minutes and a single spore in front of the base and bam.DT proof.


And be contained while they're forced to make a spire (100s build time) and a 200 gas unit?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4418
On October 22 2011 08:56 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:54 Roxy wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:47 Elean wrote:
It's hard to tell what will be the consequences of all these changes, but I really can't see how mass recall for 75 nexus energy can not be overpowered.

Not to mention it rewards the player with bad macro.


I find it funny to see that most protoss can see something with their own race and agree that it may very well be overpowered

Most other races see something in their own race that may very well be OP and deny it flat out and try to deflect blame to forcefields

I play protoss and I am fully open to the possibility that mass recall for 75 energy may be OP


For what it's worth, I'm a Zerg and moving burrowed banelings sounds completely broken zvt.


Its at hive tech and ravens are already being used more and more by terrans so dont' think it'll be a problem.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
October 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#4419
They seriously just take out the thor like that>? This is fucked man........ No 1 wants heros blizzard don't u g listen?
http://www.mixcloud.com/Arkless/ http://www.soundcloud.com/Arkless
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
October 21 2011 23:57 GMT
#4420
On October 22 2011 08:54 Iyerbeth wrote:
On the note of bunkers, couldn't 2v2 partners now build bunkers, drain them for minerals and then salvage on low hp to actually generate additional minerals?

Or a 1v1 Zerg with an SCV and a Rax but with not enough minerals for a Hatchery after a fight (unlikely I admit) be able to produce bunkers and then consume them with corruptors, salvage and repeat?


They could couldn't they? Sometimes i think Blizz may need to crowdsource more and not think of dumb and stupid abilities.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
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