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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 21 2011 23:48 GMT
#4381
On October 22 2011 08:43 Techno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:39 TheKefka wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
I love people that complain about units they have never used in a game they never played...

Why is it wrong to complain about units with abilities that are clearly broken or totally wrong for the nature of the game?
I can guarantee you that that Viper pull-in ability will never go live,not in a million years.
Why wouldn't you complain about a obviously stupid unit or ability so they stop wasting time on it or re work asap.

Cause you know nothing about how it plays.

What?Of course I know how it plays.You upgrade the ability probably,click the spell and pull in a unit,doesn't even matter from what distance,into a sure death.In what corner of the starcraft universe is that a good gameplay spell?
Cackle™
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
October 21 2011 23:48 GMT
#4382
On October 22 2011 08:45 Erik.TheRed wrote:
yo zerg dudes,

I'm gonna replicate your vipers so I can steal more vipers by pulling them into my vipers


LMAO!!!
I've got moves like Jagger
TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
October 21 2011 23:48 GMT
#4383
On October 22 2011 08:47 Bibdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:42 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:40 ayaz2810 wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:37 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:33 iNotZerg wrote:
I gave in and bought the panel stream...so..
Random things Im typing while watching the stream.

They note that these things can be changed.

~so the replicant can copy any unit you have vision, and you automatically get the upgrades, according to david kim.
~ viper is a seige breaker.
~brood host spawns 4 locust that has 90 hp and 16 dmg.
~oracle can disable buildings, such as spores, and spines, as well as phase out tech structure.
~oracle is pretty fast. (looks as fast as a muta IMO)
~Reapers can regenerate health.
~Hive tech burrow move for banelings.
~Hive speed upgrade for hydras.
~Dustin said he thinks that the replicant will be op because it will force terran to not build seige tanks/ghost/bcs
~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba.
~as of right now, that psudo cannon for toss requires gateway.


More info as soon as i get them.


...

SC2 is doomed.


I despise ghosts in PvT, but I think a game design that forces any units out of the equation is very bad.


Huh? I'm saying Dustin Browder is retarded if he thinks Protoss being able to produce Ghosts or Siege Tanks for 200/200 a piece would even be good in PvT, much less "op".


There's more to the game than resource costs. I get the point he's making. Just look at what a few tanks in TvT do. Replicating a couple of Siege tanks with a Protoss army would make a Terran very wary of being the aggressor (something which they're usually quite happy and eager to be).


The thing I fear most about replicators is the synergy between units. Like the synergy between perhaps siege tanks, zealots and sentries.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
October 21 2011 23:49 GMT
#4384
Guys, this is huge. Zerg can now salvage more minerals from a bunker than the Terran can.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4385
On October 22 2011 08:44 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:40 jmbthirteen wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:39 TheKefka wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
I love people that complain about units they have never used in a game they never played...

Why is it wrong to complain about units with abilities that are clearly broken or totally wrong for the nature of the game?
I can guarantee you that that Viper pull-in ability will never go live,not in a million years.
Why wouldn't you complain about a obviously stupid unit or ability so they stop wasting time on it or re work asap.

because you have absolutely no idea if its broken or not.


Free kill of a colosus for just the cost of energy?
for real?
you dont see a problem with that?


Well they said when it gets to beta if its a problem they will just remove the ability.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4386
On October 22 2011 08:49 Umpteen wrote:
Guys, this is huge. Zerg can now salvage more minerals from a bunker than the Terran can.


LOL from corruptors?
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:53:19
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4387
On October 22 2011 08:47 Elean wrote:
It's hard to tell what will be the consequences of all these changes, but I really can't see how mass recall for 75 nexus energy can not be overpowered.

Not to mention it rewards the player with bad macro.


This is kinda True That's why im starting to think of a re-work for the name of the expansion

Basically this could also allow 4 Gates and if your 4 Gate is doomed to Fail (If you see 5-7 Spine Crawlers) Mass Recall = profit Then Expand

Protoss Ripp the Heart of the Swarm.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4388
On October 22 2011 08:49 Umpteen wrote:
Guys, this is huge. Zerg can now salvage more minerals from a bunker than the Terran can.


A hidden bunker change eh? It's not a blizzard patch if there isn't a bunker change.
Snitches get stiches
Eisenheim
Profile Joined May 2011
France229 Posts
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4389
I really don't like the new way of SC2, looks like SC2+LoL/Dota.
ToD, DeMusliM, White-ra, Stephano, MVP !
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4390
On October 22 2011 08:49 Umpteen wrote:
Guys, this is huge. Zerg can now salvage more minerals from a bunker than the Terran can.


Doesn't that thing only work on CCs/Hatcheries/Nexussus(Nexii?)?
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
October 21 2011 23:50 GMT
#4391
On October 22 2011 08:48 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:45 Erik.TheRed wrote:
yo zerg dudes,

I'm gonna replicate your vipers so I can steal more vipers by pulling them into my vipers


LMAO!!!

In before huuuge abuse of this oh my god, it's like neural parasite train
FOOTBALL
bRiz
Profile Joined August 2011
United States113 Posts
October 21 2011 23:51 GMT
#4392
replicate infestors, fungal psi storms ftw
Jumonji
Profile Joined May 2011
France60 Posts
October 21 2011 23:51 GMT
#4393
On October 22 2011 08:48 TERRANLOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:47 Bibdy wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:42 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:40 ayaz2810 wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:37 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:33 iNotZerg wrote:
I gave in and bought the panel stream...so..
Random things Im typing while watching the stream.

They note that these things can be changed.

~so the replicant can copy any unit you have vision, and you automatically get the upgrades, according to david kim.
~ viper is a seige breaker.
~brood host spawns 4 locust that has 90 hp and 16 dmg.
~oracle can disable buildings, such as spores, and spines, as well as phase out tech structure.
~oracle is pretty fast. (looks as fast as a muta IMO)
~Reapers can regenerate health.
~Hive tech burrow move for banelings.
~Hive speed upgrade for hydras.
~Dustin said he thinks that the replicant will be op because it will force terran to not build seige tanks/ghost/bcs
~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba.
~as of right now, that psudo cannon for toss requires gateway.


More info as soon as i get them.


...

SC2 is doomed.


I despise ghosts in PvT, but I think a game design that forces any units out of the equation is very bad.


Huh? I'm saying Dustin Browder is retarded if he thinks Protoss being able to produce Ghosts or Siege Tanks for 200/200 a piece would even be good in PvT, much less "op".


There's more to the game than resource costs. I get the point he's making. Just look at what a few tanks in TvT do. Replicating a couple of Siege tanks with a Protoss army would make a Terran very wary of being the aggressor (something which they're usually quite happy and eager to be).


The thing I fear most about replicators is the synergy between units. Like the synergy between perhaps siege tanks, zealots and sentries.


Like friendly damage your zealoth with the enemy while they can't move because of ff?
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
October 21 2011 23:51 GMT
#4394
Just give Ovies their detection against -__-.
On October 22 2011 08:44 Jumonji wrote:
Why blizzard absolutely want to keep corruptor in the game by adding random useless spells?

That's gonna be like " yeah i killed your colossus" now i have to deal with your gate army repop while having a 24pop hole in my army that doesn't hit ground +10 pop of useless queens. Let's get some minerals in your base mouhahhaha. GG"

Beside, how are we gonna counter-push protoss after a dt rush if we can't make aN overseer with an overlord near his base?


Well now all you have to do is pull the collo instead of making corrupters.
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
October 21 2011 23:52 GMT
#4395
On October 22 2011 08:46 Belisarius wrote:
Have people considered what happens when a zerg gets vipers and infestors? Fungaling units in place under dark swarm is the most broken thing I've ever heard of.

And blinding cloud or whatever it's called is a silence. I can't believe this.


Almost like Maelstrom + Psistrom/dist web, eh? xDDDD
A time to live.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 21 2011 23:52 GMT
#4396
On October 22 2011 08:49 Umpteen wrote:
Guys, this is huge. Zerg can now salvage more minerals from a bunker than the Terran can.

OH SHIT. Blizz go change the bunker!!
Jaedong.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 21 2011 23:52 GMT
#4397
On October 22 2011 08:46 jinorazi wrote:
hots definitely isn't the direction i was hoping/expecting sc2 to go....for now.
i hope they simplify abilities and units while focus on synergy between units...not gimmicky and "COOL!!!!" stuff.

actually if you think about it Zerg is getting alot of synergy with their units.

Viper: can make overlords/queens detectors, units that you use to spot for enemies/defend harrass with anyways. reducing ranged damage comes with zergy territory with their melee, and allows them to protect their squishies like infestors. the pull ability can be used to protect infestors/queens as well as defend harrass, remove the big units that typically cause trouble (siege tanks, collosus, infestors) and pick them off, similar to how mutas work currently.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13430 Posts
October 21 2011 23:53 GMT
#4398
On October 22 2011 08:48 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:45 Erik.TheRed wrote:
yo zerg dudes,

I'm gonna replicate your vipers so I can steal more vipers by pulling them into my vipers


LMAO!!!


Amazing Idea. So good do it up LOL

The game sounds like its turning into a 4v4 funmatch instead of serious game more and more -_-
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
October 21 2011 23:53 GMT
#4399
On October 22 2011 08:50 Bibdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:49 Umpteen wrote:
Guys, this is huge. Zerg can now salvage more minerals from a bunker than the Terran can.


Doesn't that thing only work on CCs/Hatcheries/Nexussus(Nexii?)?


no but it's 1 dps. they actually managed to make the new spell less usefull than the old one. why? blizzard.

and just for style reasons? why would you grant your suicide troop of psycho killers ("the ones who couldnt get straightened up") grant heal. that doesnt nake sense at all.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 21 2011 23:53 GMT
#4400
On October 22 2011 08:48 TERRANLOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:47 Bibdy wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:42 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:40 ayaz2810 wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:37 Toadvine wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:33 iNotZerg wrote:
I gave in and bought the panel stream...so..
Random things Im typing while watching the stream.

They note that these things can be changed.

~so the replicant can copy any unit you have vision, and you automatically get the upgrades, according to david kim.
~ viper is a seige breaker.
~brood host spawns 4 locust that has 90 hp and 16 dmg.
~oracle can disable buildings, such as spores, and spines, as well as phase out tech structure.
~oracle is pretty fast. (looks as fast as a muta IMO)
~Reapers can regenerate health.
~Hive tech burrow move for banelings.
~Hive speed upgrade for hydras.
~Dustin said he thinks that the replicant will be op because it will force terran to not build seige tanks/ghost/bcs
~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba.
~as of right now, that psudo cannon for toss requires gateway.


More info as soon as i get them.


...

SC2 is doomed.


I despise ghosts in PvT, but I think a game design that forces any units out of the equation is very bad.


Huh? I'm saying Dustin Browder is retarded if he thinks Protoss being able to produce Ghosts or Siege Tanks for 200/200 a piece would even be good in PvT, much less "op".


There's more to the game than resource costs. I get the point he's making. Just look at what a few tanks in TvT do. Replicating a couple of Siege tanks with a Protoss army would make a Terran very wary of being the aggressor (something which they're usually quite happy and eager to be).


The thing I fear most about replicators is the synergy between units. Like the synergy between perhaps siege tanks, zealots and sentries.


The thing is it just means dont make any seige tanks in TvP if you dont want them replicated. They arent exactly the most useful unit in the game right now and none of the changes make me go yay tanks so they wont exactly exist to copy in the first place
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