EPTOn October 22 2011 07:06 KimJongChill wrote:
My years of zerg pain have finally been compensated!
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:06 Erik.TheRed wrote: According to http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/21/official-list-of-unit-changes-in-starcraft-iis-heart-of-the-swarm-expansion/ occular parasite "allows it to detach its eye stalk and meld it onto any friendly, non-massive unit, turning that unit into a detector." Basically the spell is a one-time use and once the detecting unit dies, you have to build another viper to get mobile detection up again. I think zerg might have a big problem with detection if they don't make a bunch of preemptive vipers, losing your detectors in battle and not having the ability to morph overseers quickly could really fuck someone over. Oh sweet, so there IS a visual change to units with detection granted. That makes me feel better about that ability :D | ||
Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:06 Whitewing wrote: I doubt rushing DT's will suddenly become a viable option for a protoss. If he rushes DT's ASAP to stop you from taking a fast third (which you'd only do anyway if he went FFE for example, which really slows DT's down), he's not exactly even with you if all he manages to accomplish is to delay your third. DT's are bloody expensive man. Also that, yeah. Honestly, if zergs are concerned about their third expo vs forge fe, they should be only if the oracle can shut down spores. 1 oracle, 1-2 voids and 1-2 phoenixes sound a bit more scary than a random dt. Plus, beta isn't started yet, so yeah, this all is kind of pointless. | ||
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Andytaker
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Ksi
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On October 22 2011 07:05 Stanlot wrote: It's the principle of it. Carriers should have been fixed to be as glorious as they were in BW but Blizzard took the easy way out and got rid of a long time iconic unit and gave us something else in place of it. Both Zerg and Terran generally built their armies in such a way as to counter Colossus, and sadly the Carrier was countered by the same things. Also I really wonder how how glorious the image of BW carriers would be if it wasn't for the TvP meta-game being mech heavy. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
This will make cannon rush weaker - Cannon rush is only really good in pvp (or vs 15hatch, which is just kinda not done in the matchup as hatch first is really high unsafe economy) Probes will no longer be able to wall themselves in behind mineral lines etc, as you can now arc whatever on your nexus and kill the probe that walled himself in before the pylons are done | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Lazerlike42
United States104 Posts
Where is all of this information? I have seen lots of claims as to what is hive tech vs. lair tech, what different units have for HP, etc., but I have only seen a small fraction of this info actually available. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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tarodotoxin
United States110 Posts
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Xenocryst
United States521 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:02 sereniity wrote: I find it funny how every protoss is going OMG CARRIERS REMOVED WTF THEY WERE SO COOL AND FROM BTW ETC... Before I've seen EVERY SINGLE PROTOSS go "OMG CARRIERS ARE SO FREAKING USELESS THE UNIT BARELY EXISTS, WHY DOES IT EVEN EXIST ANYWAY?!? HUK GOT DECIMATED VS STEPHANO WHEN HE USED 3-3-3 CARRIERS, I WILL NEVER MAKE THEM AGAIN" And then you got a new cool unit which actually seems useful. How can you possibly be whining about that? simply by wanting them to keep the carrier, but adjust it. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:08 lowercase wrote: From a reddit thread: Interesting. So you build a Viper for detection, leave its detection ability with some unit or another. Weird. Oh sweet, TvZ officially broken | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
Why are there so many no votes on the new Terran units. Something tells me a majority of those votes are from the other races who don't like how good the new units are rather than Terran players not liking them. They seem awesome. The Thor was a boring clunky unit to begin with and the new Warhound looks like a great replacement. The new Hellion mode is cool! I think the new Protoss units aside from the Tempest are interesting for sure but a little confusing also. | ||
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hocash
United States82 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:02 Bayyne wrote: First of all, calm down. Second, you're saying that once a Zerg techs to lair, he can begin making vipers without constructing any additional building? That is problematic in itself don't you think? FYI, Spire is lair tech. That means you can build a spire once you have a lair; it doesn't mean you can build mutalisks as soon as lair is done. Finally, to the people saying "lol just build spore". This is not a defensive issue: it's being able engage in the middle of the map/counter attack, instead of waiting till your opponent gains a favorable position near your base. Lack of mobile detection is not going to affect a speedling attack in the middle of the map nor a counter attack against a relatively undefended protoss expo. DTs are not really viable against speedlings on the move. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:08 Kaitlin wrote: Who needs cannons ? As long as you have Nexus energy, all you need is pylons. No forge -> cannons necessary. I read stories from people playing at Blizzcon that it does really poor damage. Pylon couldn't kill 1 SCV while being attacked by 5 SCVs. Not really a great cannon replacement. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:10 Xenocryst wrote: this looks so imbalanced..... Hard to say until we get our hands on it really. I think it will change the game a lot though. Strats will look nothing like they did in WoL. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On October 22 2011 07:05 ayaz2810 wrote: Incoming cannon rushes all day long brah. Seriously though, I would imagine that Blizz will get the balance right to prevent the kind of madness that COULD happen. Arc requires gateway tech... it says it on the screenshot. Though... BOSS gateway Forge inbase plays will be fucking BOSS! | ||
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willyallthewei
United States265 Posts
Oracle: 'oh they want a harassment unit huh? lets give them something that does exactly that, it just annoys ur enemy to death, it will kill absolutely nothing, but it will absolutely "harass" them and annoy the shit out of them" Replicator: "we ran out of good ideas, here's a ball that copies other units, lets make it 200 gas so that its literally more expensive than any unit it can copy" Mass Recall: "Toss can't put pressure on Zerg, here, now you don't have to suicide your army to take down a third a hatch, oh wait, we're totally removing this by release, sorry folks!" Tempest: Yes, toss players, you can have your corsair back, it will only cost you 300/300 and a fleet beacon, and build at the same speed as Collossi, don't you love us? - signed, Blizzard. Seriously, if the Oracle has detection, then okay, if not, then I really HAVE to wonder if the developers have some type of subliminal hate for the protoss race. Just take them out of the game, seriously, like Bisu said, SC2 toss is pointless, just axe it from the game if you are going to neuter them like this. | ||
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