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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
October 21 2011 20:42 GMT
#3221
sweet mother mercy

no internet and this happens
wtf
Where is my ACE flair
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
October 21 2011 20:42 GMT
#3222
On October 22 2011 05:26 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:25 Ares[Effort] wrote:
The new maps are absolutely retarded


I beg to Differ; they look awesome

OH YEA? How do you suppose expanding on any of the first two maps as a zerg? Do you see the positional imbalance in the top right vs bottom left position and bottom right vs top right in map #1, do you? Well you should because these maps are all imbalanced. And a trillion other things

Moderatorgold coin
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3223
Some changes are really cool. Some are just stupid, or silly. I could be wrong but...ugh. What has happened? What have they done to you my beloved!?

Stupid:
Ultra charge- wtf
warhound- what is wrong with the goliath!?
hellion ability- this is starcraft, not transformers. Stop. At least viking's morphing changed their ability
to attack.
Replicant- why not just give us MC back? O_o? Clearly the intention.
Thor- Let's get rid of the MS, because it wasn't well used, and give T a unit with the same concept.
Smart.
Ghost cloaking- I don't get it. why?

Awesome:
Everything else. Of note, recall is amazing, the Viper sounds like a really cool unit, Banelings burrowed movement, Hydra speed. Mostly Z changes.
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
Conquerer67
Profile Joined May 2011
United States605 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3224
I can not wait to play in the beta for this. It looks so awesome, but I disagree with thors requiring a fusion core. Cores are fore air tech, so seeing as how the thor is a fac unit, it's kinda a different tech path to get it.

Still, medis aren't really out of terran tech path.
I hate when people compare SC2 and rochambeu. One race isn't fucking supposed to counter another one. | Protoss isn't OP. Their units on the other hand....
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3225
On October 22 2011 05:41 Ketara wrote:
Oh shit.

Guys.

GUYS

I just realized the most important balance change HotS will have on Starcraft 2

Replicators are going to absolutely ruin team monobattles.


i think they'll be a nice addition actually. They'll be a hard counter for that guy who picked Ultralisks or Tempests or Colossus as his unit, but be pretty weak against anything else, since it won't be cost effective.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3226
i cant wait for the Beta
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3227
On October 22 2011 05:41 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:39 Whitewing wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:38 Teoita wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:36 kcdc wrote:
The new nexus abilities are a million times better than chronoboost. PvZ expansions will be super-easy with the arc shield. Recall will allow your slow units to leave your base in early game. Nobody will spend energy beyond the first few on chronoboost.

It's easy to see how the new abilities will be used in PvZ and PvP, but it's less clear how good they'll be in PvT.


I'm not so sure. Not using chrono might end up costing you a lot of econ, so it will probably be about balancing between chrono on probes and tech, and shield/recalls.


Arc shield is supposed to be pretty weak.


It seems like arc shield's goal is help secure your nat though, so if it turns out to be too weak it can easily be tweaked.


Yeah, I really REALLY like it, even if it is weak. Protoss is very weak early on to aggression, and this will help them defend without having to sacrifice tech and units for a forge and cannons. It's not powerful enough to be useful on aggression and it's a chrono boost sacrifice, so it's not exactly free or spammable, but it could be really useful against things like early bio pressure etc.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3228
Jesus, let's just throw out all the balance we've been working on and make a completely new game. A lot of these changes seem very drastic, but won't know what really happens until release. Dislike the new Thor thing, game might turn into a Hero based game
SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
October 21 2011 20:43 GMT
#3229
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/hots-multiplayer-protoss-first-impression/

Really good article posted here that puts the new protoss units into better perspective. After reading, this... damn. And I thought Zerg got the most out of this expansion. Orcales and Replicants are such awesome units.

Imagine a player drops a large army into your base. Phase out the buildings with your oracles until you mass recall your army back to the nexus to deal with the drop. And with replicants, become a copy of an enemy SCV, escape with a warp prism, and a few minutes of building later, you have Protoss MULEs. So much strategic potential with these new units.
Bird up
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:44:44
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3230
On October 22 2011 05:41 Ketara wrote:
Oh shit.

Guys.

GUYS

I just realized the most important balance change HotS will have on Starcraft 2

Replicators are going to absolutely ruin team monobattles.


I disagree. The biggest thing is the size of the Thor, which returns to it's size during the Alpha / Beta
theaxis12
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3231
As a zerg player i really like the new units and abilities, but WTF is with removing the overseer.

Zerg just doesn't get to scout now? Not cool, not strategic.
Shut your mouth and put your head back in the clouds.
Ksi
Profile Joined May 2010
357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:45:37
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3232
On October 22 2011 05:40 Whitewing wrote:
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On October 22 2011 05:39 Treble557 wrote:
Can someone please give us the exact details on the Hydralisk in HoTS? Is it still T2? Is it still Light? Is it the same cost? Does it morph into anything?

All we've heard on it is that it has a speed upgrade so far.

Also, the marine. Any changes to it's hp/range/dmg/cost/etc???


Supposedly everything is the same but it also gets a move speed upgrade so it'll actually be really strong off-creep.


It'll still melt in seconds to its counters and be lackluster anti-air. Even with an off-creep speed buff I don't see the point in making hydralisks for anything other than anti-air. It, like the carrier, is just sort of a legacy unit whose role has been rendered obsolete and is too easily countered to be worth its cost. Seeing as the new burrowing unit is made from the infestation pit, the Hydra Den still seems like a very dead-end, niche tech. I was hoping for a bigger change to the Hydralisk, like changing its damage type, range, or HP values.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3233
new dark swarm + fungal! can't escape, can't attack.
add in banes vs protoss to rip through zealots lol
EG-TL!
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3234
On October 22 2011 05:42 arsenic wrote:
The new Nexus ability to Mass Recall for 75 energy is absolutely ridiculous. There had better be some kind of drawback to using it or else it will be way too good allowing for Protoss to basically cover up any mistakes they make with their units, engage and positioning in the mid and late game. We shouldn't make the game -more- forgiving in this aspect, at least not to this degree.

Also, it makes counterattacking a Protoss base nearly impossible and to be honest, there are many situations where it's a necessity just due to the fact that you're behind and the Protoss army would obliterate you in a head to head. A counter attack is the only way to potentially get back into the game but this ability would basically let the Protoss attack into your base, take some stuff out and as soon as they realize you are counter attacking, warp back to their base, defend your counter, then repeat all over again setting you further and further back without sustaining any real losses.

I really hope this ability gets removed or nerfed before the game gets released...


probably you'll only be able to recall units that are out of combat so except vanished rogues/invisibility mages you'll have to wait 6 seconds for units to stop fighting or dots to fade
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3235
I can see the future now.....

"Don't base trade against a Protoss"
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3236
On October 22 2011 05:43 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:41 Ketara wrote:
Oh shit.

Guys.

GUYS

I just realized the most important balance change HotS will have on Starcraft 2

Replicators are going to absolutely ruin team monobattles.


i think they'll be a nice addition actually. They'll be a hard counter for that guy who picked Ultralisks or Tempests or Colossus as his unit, but be pretty weak against anything else, since it won't be cost effective.


Except they can't copy massive units.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 21 2011 20:44 GMT
#3237
On October 22 2011 05:42 Ares[Effort] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:26 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:25 Ares[Effort] wrote:
The new maps are absolutely retarded


I beg to Differ; they look awesome

OH YEA? How do you suppose expanding on any of the first two maps as a zerg? Do you see the positional imbalance in the top right vs bottom left position and bottom right vs top right in map #1, do you? Well you should because these maps are all imbalanced. And a trillion other things


Which maps are these? Sorry to sound stupid, but I have heard nothing about maps.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
October 21 2011 20:45 GMT
#3238
I might switch terran, Mech is making a come back.
Coutcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada519 Posts
October 21 2011 20:45 GMT
#3239
Blizzard is (for the first time) NOT hurting esport :D

its even giving it Steroids
This is what the world is for Making ELECTRICITY :D
Xardean
Profile Joined May 2010
United States104 Posts
October 21 2011 20:45 GMT
#3240
On October 22 2011 05:43 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:41 Ketara wrote:
Oh shit.

Guys.

GUYS

I just realized the most important balance change HotS will have on Starcraft 2

Replicators are going to absolutely ruin team monobattles.


i think they'll be a nice addition actually. They'll be a hard counter for that guy who picked Ultralisks or Tempests or Colossus as his unit, but be pretty weak against anything else, since it won't be cost effective.


Can you not read sir?
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