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Traeon
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria366 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2981
The transformer Hellion and Shredder are disappointing. Hellion is specialized and fine for what it does, Terran just needs a real Goliath substitute to go with Siege Tanks. As for the Shredder, I'd rather have Spider Mines back.

The Carrier should stay but have its Interceptor behavior changed to BW mechanics. Replicant sounds too gimmicky.

Zerg units are all OK imo.

ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2982
Ugh so zerg basically has a ground-broodlord? The viper looks really cool and well-rounded though.

Terran units - bleh. Can't believe it actually *is* a hellion transformer >.< Shredder looks kinda dumb. I think shredder drops into mineral lines could be SUPER effective (even more-so than stimmed marine drops)

Protoss - whatever that nano-bot thing is, its pretty unoriginal. I don't mind the new protoss air things thoughp
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2983
On October 22 2011 05:07 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:06 Grummler wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:56 HowardRoark wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:47 Cain0 wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:41 EnderCraft wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:38 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:35 Novalisk wrote:
I hope the viper pull gets removed/changed, it looks really awkward.


Yeah it is really awkward but i'm going to love yanking those Colossus out of Protoss Death Balls :D

Well... Look at the old Neural Parasite. Instead of keeping them out of the battle you just grab them and kill them . Colossus are already a unit that needs to be babysat constantly... It is VERY easy to get a colossus killed if it gets anywhere near the main Zerg army. This just makes the colossus kind of useless don't ya think?



Good, the collossus is a catastrophy in game design and the reason that protoss meta game hasnt developed, fuck that unit.

I agree wholeheartedly, it must go in HotS. Also, have anyone seen a pattern in the voting? Majority love the Zerg units which is basically BW all over again, while new non BW units for Terran and Protoss gets dislike.


Terran gets firebats, goliaths and a bigger version of the spidermine. Sounds very BWesque to me^^.


lol yea but this goliath is pretty pathetic to be honest

it basically is a Goliath, Idk who Blizzard think they're trying to fool with making a new unit that fills the Goliaths role and hoping the viewers won't notice.
Eogris
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States148 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2984
Replicants cloning workers reminds me of WC3 where Banshees could charm workers lol. Should be interesting
THE NUKES GONNA LAND ON HIS ARMYYYYYYYYYYY
Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2985
On October 22 2011 05:12 Fishriot wrote:
Holy crap, are people seriously doing this much bitching before even having played the game? If I remember correctly, lots of units were either drastically changed or completely removed during the WoL alpha/beta. What is to say that the same won't happen with HotS? All the haters should relax a little bit. As much as we love to rag on Blizzard for game balance reasons, they have done a reasonably good job with SC2 so far.


Personally, the only thing I dislike about current Starcraft 2 is PvP. I can get a 50% winrate as Protoss in PvP but I don't have fun. Win or lose, PvP is not fun for me. So I play random. When I hit PvP on the ladder I simply leave the game.

This expansion doesn't seem to change anything about PvP. Hopefully the new Nexus ability can reign in 4-gate and other early gateway unit pressures. But I am very unsold on that concept.

The main thing about PvP I hate is the Colossus. None of the new units nor ability seem to do anything to stop 7 Colossus from being built and walking over everything. To me, Colossus are the least fun unit in the game. On paper they look cool. In practice they are not fun. I want to be Protoss but I can't stand 1/3 of my games being terribly unfun. I was hoping this expansion would change that.

I thought the Colossus was the most, or perhaps the second most hated unit in the game. I was hoping it would get changed or removed. I like how the Zerg have a new and effective way of dealing with it but that doesn't help in PvP
TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2986
On October 22 2011 05:10 Mascherano wrote:
I can't believe they took out the Carrier. Hey Blizz, remember Tassadar? The ballsiest Protoss hero? Remember when he crashed a fucking carrier into the Overmind to help save Aiur?
shit.

/nerd_rage

lore explanation is :Tassadar crash was prove to protoss that Carriers are dangerous for their pilots
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 21 2011 20:17 GMT
#2987
On October 22 2011 05:15 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:13 Whitewing wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:10 dezi wrote:
What i don't like about the Swarm Host: again a Broodling style attack - i hate such dumb units that just hinder movement and it's just harder to balance this right (HP of those and damage) than a flat attack like the Lurker did. If those spawns are to weak they'll just die to Rines in a Bunker. If they are to beavy ... well ... a Lurker just did its damage stated on its attack - easy to understand. Didn't they wanted to make SC2 more understandable for the Viewer?

Anyway - i don't actually know if those spawns actually can be attack or how they behave - but i can image Links blocked by those too - so could end up working against oneself.


I actually think it's an incredibly awesome unit that really fits with the zerg swarm flavor, while also providing space control. From what I've read, they spawn units at an ever increasing rate the longer they are burrowed, until they reach the maximum, so once they hit max, having a few in one spot is going to have a pretty strong short duration army that can't go very far. But the units they spawn as hard as zealots, so they're useful. If they aren't dealt with soon I can see them annihilating defensive lines, and they sound really good for protecting a specific location as well.


You know they deal 16 damage but I really really doubt they are gonna be as strong as zealots. Probably very low hp / no armor.


Yeah, the word 'hit' was supposed to be there and wasn't for some reason (probably a typing error on my part). Still, even if they die fast, if it's true about them spawning them at an increasing rate, it'll be incredible once they're spawning 5 at a time. Even if they die fast, it will take a pretty big commitment just to deal with one of these units without taking damage from it, and I can just imagine how strong those buggers are once you get melee upgrades and armor upgrades for your lings.

I personally think this is the coolest new unit in the game.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2988
On October 22 2011 05:15 eviltomahawk wrote:
Some new multiplayer maps in HotS:
http://imgur.com/a/FzSYb

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lkafk/new_blizzcon_maps/


Holy hell they actually look good!
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2989
On October 22 2011 05:15 Capped wrote:
They just nerfed the fucking shit out of terran and made Z/P the only viable race O.O omg.

Movable burrowed banelings. gg no re.

Protoss just make themselves siege tanks and then its gg no re.

I hope im wrong but im sick to my stomach -_- better switch races now

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry when I read crap like this.
NoxYCakes13
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada46 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2990
Ok, thank you very much for posting this. I was really curious what the HotS would look like. However, please believe me, I'm not trying to troll. But 90% of these changes look like they came from a bronze player. I can't see more than 20% of these changes being implemented in StarCraft II HotS.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2991
On October 22 2011 05:18 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:15 Capped wrote:
They just nerfed the fucking shit out of terran and made Z/P the only viable race O.O omg.

Movable burrowed banelings. gg no re.

Protoss just make themselves siege tanks and then its gg no re.

I hope im wrong but im sick to my stomach -_- better switch races now

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry when I read crap like this.


Do as I do and ignore .
When I think of something else, something will go here
Kanuck
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2992
gotta say im terribly disappointed... Blizzard is taking out units i like and subing in terribly designed new ones....

as of right now, i wouldn't be surprised is all major tournaments remained WoL only well after the release of HotS
There is no failure. Only feedback.
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2993
On October 22 2011 05:15 eviltomahawk wrote:
Some new multiplayer maps in HotS:
http://imgur.com/a/FzSYb

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lkafk/new_blizzcon_maps/


those maps seem decent enough. surprisingly few destructible rocks

snow map!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2994
Has anyone tried to emp a nexus? If it works, kinda makes nexus recall useless. Hmmm.
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 21 2011 20:18 GMT
#2995
I hope this will really change everything and it'll be like TFT for WC3, or better yet, BW for SC1. Although I suppose vanilla SC1 had more severe obvious balance issues, and blizz was a whole 'nother company back then. It will be interesting~
memes are a dish best served dank
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
October 21 2011 20:19 GMT
#2996
On October 22 2011 05:14 Lunares wrote:
We need to know more about how the spawning works. Is it on all the time? Can you rally these like you would a building? How long do the locusts last? Etc.


A bit offtopic maybe, but they NEED to call these things Locusts!
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:19:24
October 21 2011 20:19 GMT
#2997
On October 22 2011 05:15 eviltomahawk wrote:
Some new multiplayer maps in HotS:
http://imgur.com/a/FzSYb

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lkafk/new_blizzcon_maps/

Mains with multiple ramps? Is that a joke?


On October 22 2011 05:18 BisuDagger wrote:
Has anyone tried to emp a nexus? If it works, kinda makes nexus recall useless. Hmmm.

It works, feedback doesn't though.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
October 21 2011 20:19 GMT
#2998
Let the balance whine on pre-beta units begin.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
EricCartman
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada306 Posts
October 21 2011 20:19 GMT
#2999
seems like all the new changes might just ruin the gameplay. i dont see most of these changes going into the actual multiplayer
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 21 2011 20:19 GMT
#3000
On October 22 2011 05:17 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:07 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:06 Grummler wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:56 HowardRoark wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:47 Cain0 wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:41 EnderCraft wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:38 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:35 Novalisk wrote:
I hope the viper pull gets removed/changed, it looks really awkward.


Yeah it is really awkward but i'm going to love yanking those Colossus out of Protoss Death Balls :D

Well... Look at the old Neural Parasite. Instead of keeping them out of the battle you just grab them and kill them . Colossus are already a unit that needs to be babysat constantly... It is VERY easy to get a colossus killed if it gets anywhere near the main Zerg army. This just makes the colossus kind of useless don't ya think?



Good, the collossus is a catastrophy in game design and the reason that protoss meta game hasnt developed, fuck that unit.

I agree wholeheartedly, it must go in HotS. Also, have anyone seen a pattern in the voting? Majority love the Zerg units which is basically BW all over again, while new non BW units for Terran and Protoss gets dislike.


Terran gets firebats, goliaths and a bigger version of the spidermine. Sounds very BWesque to me^^.


lol yea but this goliath is pretty pathetic to be honest

it basically is a Goliath, Idk who Blizzard think they're trying to fool with making a new unit that fills the Goliaths role and hoping the viewers won't notice.

I don't want to be fooled. That's what we wanted. I just want better unit art and a better name for Pete's sake.
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