On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
Am I missing another team? I know there is another Korean team, but it has no players in the GSL.
+ TSL and NsHoSeo
OMG how could I forget the house of Clide?! And NshoSeo?
Well, none of them have a foreign partner. So it seems plenty of teams up for grabs ^_^
zenex isn't really a proteam anymore either. they're more like a clan
Well, until they announce that I will still count them as a proteam.I'd actually like if they were picked up by a foreigner team as they are having problems atm, and they still have some good players left
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
Edit: spelling.
Are you kidding me?
Huk in Season 5: only lost to MVP and Bomber. Huk in Season 4: lost to MC when he was nearly unbeatable in PvP Huk Super tournament: Lost to Polt (one of the best TvPers and eventual tournament winner) Huk up/down: Had to beat MMA to stay in Code S Huk Season 3: Lost to Inca (who was the best PvP at the time) and July (the shame!) Huk Season 2: Beat Revival, Curious and then lost to Code A winner LosirA
In the GSL he has basically only lost to amazing amazing players. He hasn't dropped games to random scrubs that were on their way out anyways. Even this season, yea he lost to Virus... but Virus went on to almost take out NesTea right after that. I mean everyone he has lost to has got top 2 in a GSL before (except Virus). I'm willing to bet there isn't a single other player (korean, foreigner, terran, protoss, whatever) that can make that claim.
Outside of Korea, Huk has won the most tournaments of any player (Korean or foreign) since his dreamhack win. Yes he was spotty before. And yes he has had some bad tournaments since... but as far as protoss players go, he literally has been the most consistent over the last 3-4 months.
EDIT: Decided to go back further.
EDIT 2: And your two MLG examples, Tester/GanZi. Who the hell doesn't think Ganzi is a strong code S player? He just took 3rd/4th in GSL and has never looked better. And Tester was dominated at MLG. He went 2-3 in his group (losing to Slush, TLO, SeleCt) and then lost his very first game in the brackets (to DeMuslim). He was god fucking awful at that MLG.
EDIT 3: I don't even know why I spent the last 15 minutes of my life responding to you. You clearly have no clue.
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
How can u realisticly put steohano over huk? Watch last nights itg and what they said abiut yim. Its all true and hes very good, but huk has far more impressive records. And he is THE most consostent protoss atm. Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing EG partner with a less established team, such as NsHoSeo or Zenex. The talent pool in HoSeo is pretty deep, I can see EG players benefitting a ton from them.
But if the partnership with SlayerS is set in stone, then good luck to both parties.
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
Edit: spelling.
Wow, somebody's hard to please.
All I want is for GSL to play a sappy "welcome back!" video for Idra that rivals his tribute one
They can have John and Mr. Chae reading off poems and grack jokes.
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
Edit: spelling.
I would love to see Stephano compete also-but if he sticks to his stated practice pattern of only a few hours a day, I doubt he will be near the top for long. Talent can only take you so far, as the early foreign BW stars proved.
The Code S players may not have the flashiest play for the current metagame, but the long term players have a solid style that seems optimal to allow them to survive the assorted metagame shifts. How many code A/GSTL cowboys have we seen fall into disgrace the next few seasons.
I don't see how you can call his win over Moon an atrocity, it was an ugly series but if you watch the games he outplayed him in many ways. It was not like he won every game with a broken build or something. And I am saying this as quite the Moon fan(I grew up on WC3).
I don't think anyone is claiming that Huk is more successful then MVP or Nestea, as far as "sending the best Koreans" goes.
Every time he wins a tournament people claim it is due to seeding, and I do agree he tends to under-perform when traveling, as his often terrible performances in Europe indicate.The fact of the matter though, is that he beats people other people lose to.
I don't see how Idra's path was much harder-if he came from the open bracket or something I would understand, but he actually played less code S players then Huk. Huk 2-0ed the only player who beat Idra in group play-MKP in probably the shortest series in the tournament.
Regardless, if you compare the performance of Huk or Idra to the typical code A or B'er I don't see how you could swing to any other side in terms of suitability for practice partners.
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
Edit: spelling.
Are you kidding me?
Huk in Season 5: only lost to MVP and Bomber. Huk in Season 4: lost to MC when he was nearly unbeatable in PvP Huk Super tournament: Lost to Polt (one of the best TvPers and eventual tournament winner) Huk up/down: Had to beat MMA to stay in Code S Huk Season 3: Lost to Inca (who was the best PvP at the time) and July (the shame!) Huk Season 2: Beat Revival, Curious and then lost to Code A winner LosirA
In the GSL he has basically only lost to amazing amazing players. He hasn't dropped games to random scrubs that were on their way out anyways. Even this season, yea he lost to Virus... but Virus went on to almost take out NesTea right after that. I mean everyone he has lost to has got top 2 in a GSL before (except Virus). I'm willing to bet there isn't a single other player (korean, foreigner, terran, protoss, whatever) that can make that claim.
Outside of Korea, Huk has won the most tournaments of any player (Korean or foreign) since his dreamhack win. Yes he was spotty before. And yes he has had some bad tournaments since... but as far as protoss players go, he literally has been the most consistent over the last 3-4 months.
EDIT: Decided to go back further.
You're missing my point. His only times of success have been vs lower/mid tier players in Code S, and even then his "success" has never carried him past the quarterfinals (which he has advanced to..once?). His lack of success and team have afforded him time and opportunities to travel and play in tournaments outside of Korea - a luxury that mid/top tier players in Korea rarely have, and when they do get such opportunities they often demonstrate the Korea-foreigner skill gap in a rather unforgiving way.
Also, as for Huk's GSL track record: he managed to beat Revival and Curious (who were not nearly as fearsome as they are now), and beat Choya in up and down matches (whom is hardly as competitive as many of the players in Code A/S now). Losing go Inca and July is indeed shameful, as Inca's glaring weaknesses as a player caught up with him, and July's will soon, too. Proxy 4gating a player who is FEing (re: MMA) was hardly a demonstration of Huk's ability. Instead it can be read as a desperate attempt to hold his Code S spot. In the Super Tournament he managed to beat San 2-1 (woo, beat one of the most overrated players of all time) then lost to Polt (whose TvP is fearsome, but Huk's strongest matchup [supposedly] is PvT...). In July, Huk actually managed to make a splash by beating Alive and Killer (again, two mid-low tier players in Code S), but lost to MC (sadface). In August, Huk managed to beat Killer and Violet (a player many felt was beyond awful), yet again beating mid-low tier players in Code S (or people on their way out, as I mentioned before). Huk made his biggest splash by beating Nada, a solid mid-tier player at the time (but has since been fading in success), and eventually got annihilated by MVP. Finally, this season, Huk managed to yet again cling to Code S by beating Zenio (who has since been sent into Code A in embarassing fashion), and then losing 0-2 to Virus. None of these seasons really scream "success," and the reason he has had the means to travel to these tourneys is because of his fortunate team sponsorship. Also, Ironically, he has also likely had greater luxury to train -for- these tournaments because of his early losses in these GSL seasons.
In an attempt to try to bring this conversation to a point that we aren't derailing entirely...
Huk has not been quite as consistently dominant as you likely think, and though will probably make a decent enough a practice partner - SlayerS has picked otherwise because, frankly, they can afford to be more selective.
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
Edit: spelling.
Wow, somebody's hard to please.
All I want is for GSL to play a sappy "welcome back!" video for Idra that rivals his tribute one
On October 20 2011 11:16 woobsauce wrote: I sincerely hope that the players from EG and SlayerS can get along respectfully, and that this partnership benefits both teams equally.
Will the teams train together, or will the two teams merely live in the same spot? Will people like Cella coach players from EG? Will the players have similar training regiments/cooperative practice?
I hope that this deal isn't out of financial desperation, as I seem to recall SlayerS mentioning that sponsorship contracts are expiring, and that they hope to have a good show this season to retain such contracts. If so, I hope that the addition of the EG roster to the clan house isn't terribly abrasive.
Even if it is out of financial desperation its a deal that benefits both teams. Training with players like Huk and IdrA are great, but not to mention PUMA! Another strong terran for the Slayers terrans to practice with. Obviously IdrA and Huk would benefit greatly as well.
Hm, I think its pretty clear that Idra, Huk, and Puma have a -lot- more to benefit from this in terms of training based on the track records of both teams. More so than the enormous benefit differential for both teams, I hope that practicing with SlayerS doesn't dilute the training of the SlayerS players.
Think about it this way, if Slayers wanted to add more training partners... what caliber of players would be ideal? I wont deny that Idra, Huk and Puma have a lot to gain, but they also happen to be some of the best players in the world.
Statistically Huk would be the best protoss player on slayers, Idra would be arguably the best zerg next to Coca.
As far as diluting Slayers training... Huk is known to have great work ethic as does IdrA (when hes motivated, which he is now.)
Stop hoping for the worse. Slayers isnt managed by a team of monkeys, they are extremely well managed and it shows in their passion and results. They aren't going to team up with EG if they didnt believe they were going to benefit as well.
Btw, nothing is official, so this may not even happen =p
Its not so much that I'm hoping for bad news, in fact I'm hoping for the opposite. I'm being rather cynical because I wouldn't want to see any damage done to the current think tank that is SlayerS. Though, nothing ventured nothing gained, etc.
As for the "caliber of player" I'd want to see as training partners, I believe the people SlayerS thanks in interviews will answer that. Ex: when MMA trains - he trains TvT vs Ryung, Byun, GanZi, etc. There is not a single player in EG capable of filling those shoes.
I'm sure the foreigners will work hard, but whether their efforts will have the same benefit to SlayerS remains to be seen. I simply hope (if this becomes official) that this all ends up being a mutually beneficial experience for both teams, and that the foreigners carry themselves in a way that reflects well on foreign players/organizations.
Noone capable of filling those shoes? You mean like how coca got demolished by bomber, and Idra took out bomber? Or how puma has won NASL over players like MC and sen? Or how huk just kinda owned MC theSTC and a bunch of others?
The examples you provided do not exist in isolation. I think its important to look at their track records, instead of isolated instances of success. The level of consistency in success and innovation of the metagame between SlayerS and EG cannot be compared. My skepticism is not to be critical of EG, merely skeptical.
Though, if you want me to be critical, I will be happy to oblige.
Consistancy like huk being in code S still And consistantly winning foreign tournamnets thruout the year? Or howidra was in code S when he left korea and has been consistantly doing well in foreign tournamnets, outside of his couple month slump?
First off, managing to cling to a code S spot isn't necessarily indicative of one's talent/ability. Let's not forget that Ensnare is still lingering, and Hongun/Kyrix/etc. have only recently departed. Huk's tenure in Code S has been more often tenuous than you would like to believe (and he was spared the hellish process known as the Code A qualifiers). Especially given that he has often had pretty reasonable/forgiving groups (generally). As for "consistently" winning foreign tournaments, what part of his tournament success has been consistent? His success in foreign tournaments has been spotty, and often fortunate. His win over Moon was (frankly) an atrocity from a competitive standpoint (also, moon beating Bomber? sigh), and his recent win at MLG was partially gifted to him from his seeding in group play, unlike the road that Idra had to take (having to go through another three tough matches only to be stopped by MC. That isn't to say that Huk's win wasn't huge, but the the lack of foreigner success since the partnership with GOM should help substantiate this point. Gom has sent very few Korean players each MLG (4 invites?), and often they are not always the most favored players in the world (Trickster? Really?). Yet, these players tend to dominate the tournament, and when huk finishes 5-8 no one bats an eyelid. When Huk beats two players not even in Code A currently (not to say TheStC isnt strong, I do believe he is), everyone goes hog wild. In fact, as I recall, GanZi (who is a strong player, but to many isnt a "strong" code S player [which is a damn shame in itself]) crushed Huk at MLG Anaheim, and managed to go all the way through the open bracket, and had to play extra matches just to run into Huk later (and eventually finished fourth!). The point being, that Huk's consistency has been anything but "consistent."
Also, Idra's existence in Code S was quite some time ago, before a pretty drastic evolution of the game's skill cap and meta-game. His slump even in the foreign scene speaks volumes for what would've been his likely impending departure out of upcoming code S seasons.
I maintain that these instances of success haven't existed in isolation, and though I do strongly believe that these players (EG players in particular) are slowly reducing the foreigner-korean skill gap - their recent success cannot be viewed in isolation. As an aside, I would love to see Stephano play/perform in Korea.
Edit: spelling.
Wow, somebody's hard to please.
All I want is for GSL to play a sappy "welcome back!" video for Idra that rivals his tribute one
EPT
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