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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 01:06:06
October 16 2011 00:59 GMT
#21
Oh god another one of these threads.

OK OK gimme a moment.

EDIT: Every user needs the mouse registry fix because the option in windows is broken and has been broken for the last ten years.

Everything in the OP looks fine even though there are a million places on the net you can find this.

1 to 1 means you are playing at 6/11 in windows sensitivity. Never go higher. Lower is tricky but also fine.

The liquipedia entry for mouse settings is basic, but acceptable.
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Orzabal
Profile Joined December 2009
France287 Posts
October 16 2011 01:42 GMT
#22
Razer Mamba is one of the worst gaming mouse, specialy for RTS.

Buy an Abyssus.
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
October 16 2011 01:42 GMT
#23
I wouldn't trust something that changes your registry settings, especially if you're using mouse drivers/software, like Logitech SetPoint or Razer drivers. It isn't difficult to turn off acceleration and set the sensitivity to 50% (1:1).

In SC2 options, do you have "Mouse Sensitivity" checked? The slider in SC2 overrides your Windows mouse sensitivity. If you uncheck it, it'll use your computers mouse settings, so if you use SetPoint and have sensitivity at 50% and acceleration off, you'll know it's 1:1. Or if you're just using Windows, 6/11 should work right.

Try toggling "Enable Mouse Sensitivity" in SC2 options. You shouldn't feel a difference if your Windows mouse settings are correct and your SC2 sensitivity is set to ~50 to 53%.

OP, can you open your variables.txt (My Documents\Starcraft II\variables.txt) and tell me the exact value mousesensitivity is set to? If it's above 0.540000 then you don't have 1:1. When you use the slider it can display the wrong percentage. If you slide it to 54%, it could be 53.5% or 54.5%.The default is 50% (1:1), which actually can show up as 51%, and in variables.txt it'll say 0.505050.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 01:45:54
October 16 2011 01:44 GMT
#24
On October 16 2011 10:42 lysergic wrote:
I wouldn't trust something that changes your registry settings, especially if you're using mouse drivers/software, like Logitech SetPoint or Razer drivers. It isn't difficult to turn off acceleration and set the sensitivity to 50% (1:1).


The only thing those drivers do is set the flag on the option in Windows. And since the option in windows is bugged, you get the idea.

If you don't trust a registry file, thats fine. Just edit the registry to the same values.

Also sensitivity at 50 percent is not necessarily 1:1. Again only 6/11 is 1:1.
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wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
October 16 2011 01:48 GMT
#25
I use 6/11, no enhance pointer precision, and 64% in sc2 (accel disabled). Anything wrong with this?
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
October 16 2011 01:51 GMT
#26
but you can't do this at a tournament?
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Turo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada333 Posts
October 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#27
On October 16 2011 10:42 Orzabal wrote:
Razer Mamba is one of the worst gaming mouse, specialy for RTS.

Buy an Abyssus.


Got it for free! Can't beat that. =]
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 01:54:18
October 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#28
On October 16 2011 10:51 Lumi wrote:
but you can't do this at a tournament?


Depends on the tournament.


On October 16 2011 10:48 wxwx wrote:
I use 6/11, no enhance pointer precision, and 64% in sc2 (accel disabled). Anything wrong with this?


Depends on the mouse. And the registry. And the operating system.
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RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 02:03:03
October 16 2011 02:02 GMT
#29
On October 16 2011 10:48 wxwx wrote:
I use 6/11, no enhance pointer precision, and 64% in sc2 (accel disabled). Anything wrong with this?


No, there is nothing wrong with that. Your not going to get a 1:1 ratio with your mouse movement, but that won't matter as long as your used to your current setting.

There is nothing wrong with a raito other than 1:1, we don't know if having 1:1 is actully really important in having a good mouse accurac. People just think if there is any mouse movement ratio that is the best its prolly the 1:1, but not necessarily, but most probably by default without any real research. However, if your're going to take in consideration such a minuscule thing as having the most correct 'mouse ratio' there are other things that you also have to take in consideration, like sleep schedule, fatigue, food health, mouse/keyboard equipment, FPS you get on your computer, etc..

Mouse sens is such a minuscule thing, there are lots of more important things in becoming good at SC2, like how much you play, motivation, pratice partners etc..

I think people need to think less about having 100% mouse sens, and just focusing on things that are more important. If you're not already practicing 4-5 hour a day and are have a grandmaster rank, gamesense, macro, micro and etc., then mouse sens does not matter yet.
Oldpennter
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2 Posts
October 16 2011 03:12 GMT
#30
A lot of conflicting information in this thread....
tjosan
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden120 Posts
October 16 2011 09:10 GMT
#31
Having played a lot of FPS games at a high level, first with mouse acceleration and then with the registry fix, I can definitely say it's better to play with it off. As someone else in the thread says you can of course learn to cope with the acceleration which is something I did. However the slightest disturbing circumstances can put you way off your game, and heaven forbid you take a one week break or it'll take twice that time to get in shape again.
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
October 16 2011 09:22 GMT
#32
On October 16 2011 10:44 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 10:42 lysergic wrote:
I wouldn't trust something that changes your registry settings, especially if you're using mouse drivers/software, like Logitech SetPoint or Razer drivers. It isn't difficult to turn off acceleration and set the sensitivity to 50% (1:1).
The only thing those drivers do is set the flag on the option in Windows. And since the option in windows is bugged, you get the idea.

Again: FOR OLD GAMES.
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sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
October 16 2011 09:28 GMT
#33
Use the mousemovementrecorder.exe that comes with this to see u don't actually need the fix to disable accel for desktop, sc2 or other newer games(most of them). Even games like cs 1.6 have simpler ways of disabling accel. Some random games are gay tho and need it.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
October 16 2011 09:50 GMT
#34
I use mousefix since 2005,and it is a huge difference.
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Talho
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium592 Posts
October 16 2011 09:56 GMT
#35
On October 16 2011 08:20 dezi wrote:
Still don't get it why i should DL a Regfix for Mouse Accel to prevent the Accel Bug happening with older Games (such as CS). You don't need this for SC2.

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
I use 6/11 - 54% and have 1:1 in MovementRecorder (without the Regfix ofc). You also don't need this crap for FPS (at least not for the newer ones). Most of those might use build-in other accel crap (like BF:BC2) but there are often other fixes


I downloaded that movementrecorder, but how do you see you have 1:1 ratio ? is it when you see a lot of 1x1 ? cause there's lot's of 0x1 or 1x0 also
Chibithor
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 10:06:47
October 16 2011 10:06 GMT
#36
On October 16 2011 18:56 Talho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 08:20 dezi wrote:
Still don't get it why i should DL a Regfix for Mouse Accel to prevent the Accel Bug happening with older Games (such as CS). You don't need this for SC2.

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
I use 6/11 - 54% and have 1:1 in MovementRecorder (without the Regfix ofc). You also don't need this crap for FPS (at least not for the newer ones). Most of those might use build-in other accel crap (like BF:BC2) but there are often other fixes


I downloaded that movementrecorder, but how do you see you have 1:1 ratio ? is it when you see a lot of 1x1 ? cause there's lot's of 0x1 or 1x0 also

As I understand it it's 1:1 when there's no green or red in the middle, since that's when the device movement matches cursor movement. If that's correct it's 1:1 for me without registry fixes or messing with any settings. Mouse sensitivity was at 6/11 and SC2 at 51% to begin with, though.

From that I guess many of the posters here saying the registry fix is irrelevant for newer games are correct.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 10:35:08
October 16 2011 10:34 GMT
#37
On October 16 2011 09:45 Silidons wrote:
you do realize that even if one had acceleration, they would eventually get used to it just like any other type of setup? i have acceleration and have no problem selecting individual workers on the fly,...


Never as well as someone who doesn't have acceleration. Your muscles don't respond exactly the way you want every single time, and acceleration will always be slightly off compared to the previous time. All acceleration in mouse movement is bad because it's an unnecessary variable.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
October 16 2011 10:50 GMT
#38
I don't know what it is about my computer, but if I turn off "enhance pointer precision" I can't click shit my cursor just goes flying all over the place.
LeibSaiLeib
Profile Joined October 2010
173 Posts
October 16 2011 10:52 GMT
#39
if your below masters, maybe you should just practice?
DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 11:00:25
October 16 2011 10:58 GMT
#40
On October 16 2011 19:52 LeibSaiLeib wrote:
If you're below masters, maybe you should just practice?
(FTFY)


Or alternatively, if you're in any league at all you can just perform some easy steps to make playing SC2 more enjoyable/comfortable, and help your long-term improvement in the process.
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