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I like that lil button allowing you to post spoilers with only interested people opening them. Just warn people trolling with it and no problem.
But when i saw the topic ... i thought ... damn i didn't eat up my cookie cause i wanted to save it for later, i am hurting esports.
At some point people will ignore threads with the tag hurts esport.
As for the spoiler fear, i am quiet happy how tl handles it. Otherwise instead of 5 "this is the new thing in sc2" (because a player made something new, it can fail horrible ... unimportant), there would probably be 50 people opening threads about the same game. IPL produced 5 strategy threads a day only regarding one game making it to some kind of unbeatable strategy and basically they could have posted a vod link and said "whatya think? totally cool right ?". The rest of the thread is about people that dislike or like the player. Basically its just the "i want to be seen by everyone that i liked the game (and the official thread i will just be one of many)"
For me its a community site not a news site, quiet a difference, also a good research takes quiet some time. The person who won can be found out in the official thread quiet fast(or just by looking in the recent topic titles "Mothership hurting Esports ... oh kiwi got out his halo")
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On October 13 2011 00:51 ch33psh33p wrote:
And there was an article published recently that showed that knowing the results of a game/movie/whatever doesn't influence negatively your anticipation or excitement for the event, or during it, as you watch a replay.
Then that article is wrong, in my case anyway. I like to get hyped when I watch a big game from a player I like. When the game is spoiled, I don't bother watch the game anymore, because it's not as exciting. I feel like I have to force myself to watch something I've already seen. Unless people are talking about how one of the games was amazing, a lot of games can look pretty much the same, especially from certain players.
I gave up trying to ask for spoiler free tittles on reddit, it's the internet, why should people have to be courteous to others in their community.
(I have no problem discussing spoilers, I just hate when it's in the tittle. You see the tittle of the post right away)
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I definitely disagree. If you know the results it takes all the excitement out of the series and I usually don't watch the games anymore unless they're from one of my favorite players or I want to study the matchup. An argument for it is to just avoid TL until you've seen the series/finals/whatever (which is what I usually try to do) but a lot of the links to VODs are easiest to find on this site.
For example the IPL3 semi's and finals, I had to watch them monday morning due to the time difference but if there was a big picture of Stephano on the front page the moment I opened TL.net I probably would've said "Oh cool, grats to Stephano" and went on to watch one of the other thousands of SC2 content out there.
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On October 13 2011 01:24 mustache wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 01:16 Le BucheRON wrote:On October 13 2011 01:13 mustache wrote:Seems like recently everyone thinks they are some sort of "intellectual" and wants to propose revolutionary ideas which would catapult e-sports to a whole new level. This thread doesnt even offer discussion points, we know it's just gonna be various forms of"i like spoilers" and "i dont like spoilers" theres nothing to discuss, this is personal preferance and nothing more, do you really think people will change their mind about it if you make a thread? If you really wanted to change something you would suggest it to the TL mods in the site feedback section http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=7Ultimately this thread is just a "i dont liek something, who wants to whine with me" thread I don't think you quite get it. Maybe you should read the discussion again? (It's only on page 4 now.) ill use the OPs sum of the first post: Most sports websites are instantly updated with headlines of the big events, this helps create a connection between the crowd and the sport, mostly for the casual viewers. This connection is absent with Teamliquid and the SC2 community because of the “spoiler fear”. TL mainpage should be updated with headlines results of the big events and a spoiler-free gateway could be created for the spoilers freaks. none of this is a discussion. again if people want to suggest site improvement why not use the feedback forum? Well probably because most people don't actually care about a change and hence will never visit that forum. If they don't really care why are they posting in this thread? Just because they feel the need to offer their insight on a topic they randomly saw, but dont really care about. which boils down to what i said: This thread doesnt even offer discussion points, we know it's just gonna be various forms of"i like spoilers" and "i dont like spoilers"
Proposing an idea is a good starting point for an interesting discussion.
Please don’t derail this topic with “this topic should have never been made” waste of time.
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On October 13 2011 01:27 Logros wrote:
I definitely disagree. If you know the results it takes all the excitement out of the series and I usually don't watch the games anymore unless they're from one of my favorite players or I want to study the matchup. An argument for it is to just avoid TL until you've seen the series/finals/whatever (which is what I usually try to do) but a lot of the links to VODs are easiest to find on this site.
I would just stop visiting this site to be honest.
Not permanently, just until I knew I was up to date on whatever tournaments I was following.
I wouldn't mind that much if TL changed their policy, but I like the current policy, and I like that it's followed ... I like consistency, is what I am saying.
... and I am one of the people that avoid newspapers websites, sports results, etc, while I download the latest round from the web if I missed a match  It doesn't take much of a commitment to avoid getting the results, as long as you know which sites are likely to have them on the frontpage.
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the OP is spot on. If i've recorded a big sports game from the night before (i.e. Tigers vs Rangers) I avoid facebook, espn, etc until I have watched the game.
Because TL is basically the ESPN of western SC content, I think it should be updated a lot more often on tournament content.
It's almost a week before any sort of writeup or review of an event comes up, and by that time i've moved on and have become hyped up for the next tournament that is coming, and read virtually zero about what happened a week ago.
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Agreed... It's an archaic process somehow still maintained from the time when, unlike all the opportunity we have now to view this shit live, the only way to watch most matches was in the delayed vod form. It's completely unnecessary now, bordering on detrimental to the growth of the scene, as the next logical step in growth and news delivery is a more real-time and open system mimicking that of ESPN and other sports news services.
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On October 13 2011 01:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 01:05 Clearout wrote:On October 13 2011 00:59 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I agree with the OP. I'm against censoring open discussion of results for the sake of a few odd people who are "victims" of spoilers. Their habits are weird enough for the rest of us to not care about them and they are obviously the minority. If they want a web site where results aren't openly discussed, they should make their own little niche web site and leave this one alone. But do you feel it necessary to flaunt the results of something many people would not like to be spoiled? He suggests having it be the first thing you see on TL. It's one thing complaining about the spoilers in an article or thread about the tournament finals, but another being spoiled because you wanted to check out the general section when you have not been able to watch the games yet. I think TL is about a lot more than SC for many, and I don't have the oppurtunity to watch most games until the day after or even longer in most cases. Should I completely miss out on everything else TL offers me in the meanwhile if I don't want to be spoilered? I don't give a shit about people who post in the General forum. We're in the SC2 forum here. If your interests lie elsewhere, then they lie elsewhere. Honestly anyone who would rather read the General forum than watch VOD's doesn't deserve any special treatment at the expense of everyone else.
VODs aren't up instantly.
I watch VODs from GSL when I come home from work, and sometimes, they aren't up yet from the GSL if there were a lot of matches or a lot of TvT's that took some time. I might browse TL while waiting for the matches of the day to get up.
Not that I couldn't find something else to browse instead, but atm it's nice.
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i would love to see more news about matches. Really tired of having to search through forums, VODs, the cave of a thousand smoking old men to find out results.
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On October 13 2011 01:31 tribulator wrote:
Agreed... It's an archaic process somehow still maintained from the time when, unlike all the opportunity we have now to view this shit live, the only way to watch most matches was in the delayed vod form. It's completely unnecessary now, bordering on detrimental to the growth of the scene, as the next logical step in growth and news delivery is a more real-time and open system mimicking that of ESPN and other sports news services.
Where in the world do you live that you can watch MLG and GSL live without it interfering with work / school?
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The problem here is that TeamLiquid is a community first and foremost and not a news site. This means that although all news is posted here, people come here for more than just news.
There should be a separate site created with just results. I don't think anyone could overtake TL.net in this regard but maybe TL could create a website that is focused on just news and then take results posted on TL.net and delete them. If anyone would want to know what scores were then they could visit TL's "sport" site.
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On October 13 2011 01:32 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 01:31 tribulator wrote:
Agreed... It's an archaic process somehow still maintained from the time when, unlike all the opportunity we have now to view this shit live, the only way to watch most matches was in the delayed vod form. It's completely unnecessary now, bordering on detrimental to the growth of the scene, as the next logical step in growth and news delivery is a more real-time and open system mimicking that of ESPN and other sports news services. Where in the world do you live that you can watch MLG and GSL live without it interfering with work / school?
I can't.
I just deal with it the same way I deal with not being able to watch some more traditional sporting events that I happen to enjoy; by recognizing that I can't watch everything, there's too much content for me to consume, and I go on with my day sometimes just by knowing the results.
Your inability to deal with the notion that you can't watch everything live and sometimes you just have to move on is unimaginably selfish.
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The problem is that it becomes difficult for people to find games if spoilers are posted on the front page of every news site. I do agree that more coverage / hype for winners will help promote e-sports and make it feel like more of a real-sport. It makes fans respect players from from seeing them on media and promotes more pride for the players when winning an event since they also get to see themselves on the front page of multiple websites.
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spoilers never bothered me i usually check to see who wins games so i know which games are worth watching anyway, t.t
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On October 13 2011 01:35 Xyik wrote:
The problem is that it becomes difficult for people to find games if spoilers are posted on the front page of every news site. I do agree that more coverage / hype for winners will help promote e-sports and make it feel like more of a real-sport. It makes fans respect players from from seeing them on media and promotes more pride for the players when winning an event since they also get to see themselves on the front page of multiple websites.
I don't think sc2 lacks in celebrating victory. Sc2 is a different entity than traditional sports, it will have different solutions. Its a separate issue, but people should stop trying to fit round pegs into square holes.
That said I kind of agree with what you're saying about hype for winners being a good thing.
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On October 13 2011 01:33 mki wrote:
The problem here is that TeamLiquid is a community first and foremost and not a news site. This means that although all news is posted here, people come here for more than just news.
There should be a separate site created with just results. I don't think anyone could overtake TL.net in this regard but maybe TL could create a website that is focused on just news and then take results posted on TL.net and delete them. If anyone would want to know what scores were then they could visit TL's "sport" site.
you have seen their banner right? If im not mistaken, PROGAMING NEWS comes before the COMMUNITY part on it. so i am agreeing with the OP as well. Teamliquid PRO could be used for the SPORTS site type thing though.
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On October 13 2011 01:35 tribulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 01:32 aebriol wrote:On October 13 2011 01:31 tribulator wrote:
Agreed... It's an archaic process somehow still maintained from the time when, unlike all the opportunity we have now to view this shit live, the only way to watch most matches was in the delayed vod form. It's completely unnecessary now, bordering on detrimental to the growth of the scene, as the next logical step in growth and news delivery is a more real-time and open system mimicking that of ESPN and other sports news services. Where in the world do you live that you can watch MLG and GSL live without it interfering with work / school? I can't. I just deal with it the same way I deal with not being able to watch some more traditional sporting events that I happen to enjoy; by recognizing that I can't watch everything, there's too much content for me to consume, and I go on with my day sometimes just by knowing the results. Your inability to deal with the notion that you can't watch everything live and sometimes you just have to move on is unimaginably selfish.
Ok ... You are just insane. Seriously.
I am saying that I can easily live with having TL spoil the results however they want to. As long as they are consistent. It is easy for me to avoid going to TL before I have watched the vods of all the tournaments I am interested in.
But what is annoying is the times when you feel it's safe to go visit TL or other sites that have spoiler policies, and there are tons of spoilers you can't avoid seeing. TL wants to change their policy - do that. Go ahead. Their choice. I'll just visit when I know I am updates on what I want to see.
How fucking hard is it for you to understand some people want to decide for themselves whether or not to see spoilers? If this is 'unimaginable selfish' - well, I don't think you can ever have met anyone selfish in your whole llife.
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OP, add this poll:
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Would spoilers on the main page bother you?No (30) 71% Yes (11) 26% Indifferent (1) 2% 42 total votes Your vote: Would spoilers on the main page bother you? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Indifferent
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Pretty much agree, when your nfl team wins a football game you can't even go anywhere on the internet/tv without finding out who won, if you don't want to be spoiled then don't go to where you can be spoiled.
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