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pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
October 10 2011 09:26 GMT
#161
As for scheduling... I understand it would be a boon to schedule to help cater to European viewers. But it is a North American tournament after all... would North Americans have a legitimate gripe about highly unfavorable Dreamhack times, for example?
Demidyne
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States110 Posts
October 10 2011 09:27 GMT
#162
Stop marketing to gamers using the image of the stereotype gamer, it just annoys us to no end when you pander to an image that we hate and do not identify with.
He saw how civilized men behave, he never forgot and he never forgave.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
October 10 2011 09:27 GMT
#163
Really enjoyed this tournament. The production value was great, however, I think improvements could be made to the format and the streams (LoL on different stream)
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
October 10 2011 09:32 GMT
#164
On October 10 2011 18:26 pretensile wrote:
As for scheduling... I understand it would be a boon to schedule to help cater to European viewers. But it is a North American tournament after all... would North Americans have a legitimate gripe about highly unfavorable Dreamhack times, for example?

I don't know how good or bad the dreamhuk schedule for NA was.
But let's put it this way: the IPL schedule was really good and enjoyable for EU, excpet the last two games. A lot better then MLG. If there would not have been LoL, the schedule would be perfect for NA and EU I guess.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 09:33:43
October 10 2011 09:32 GMT
#165
On October 10 2011 18:26 pretensile wrote:
As for scheduling... I understand it would be a boon to schedule to help cater to European viewers. But it is a North American tournament after all... would North Americans have a legitimate gripe about highly unfavorable Dreamhack times, for example?

At the same time though, it doesn't encourage EU players to watch the rest of the tourney when you are given the finger for the finals. I mean I will certainly check for how Sunday is laid down on IPL4 and decide just how much of my weekend I'm going to be dedicating to watching, since when you've watched for 4 days straight and get denied the end it's pretty damn bad, and to put ontop of it, because it was for a game that had it's own stream already and I have exactly no interest in. That's salt in the wounds.(and i'm now gonna stop qqing )
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
October 10 2011 09:33 GMT
#166
Get some of Rotterdam, Bitter, Day9, Tastosis to cast if you can. DJWheat and DApollo were really great. The other casters were ok.
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
October 10 2011 09:34 GMT
#167
On October 10 2011 18:19 Novalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 18:13 Kammalleri wrote:
I didn't vote because I didn't get to watch IPL all that much. I'll try to catch up on the Vods if they are free.

But from what I've seen the production was just unreal and I felt there was a good mix of koreans and foreigners too.

As from LoL I don't see why people complain.. I mean I think LoL is as retarded of a game as it gets and it's terrible to watch, but it just wouldnt make sense not show the final on the main stage. They have another game that has a pretty big community and they want to showcase it and try to get more viewers.

Like it or hate it, it would have been dumb by IPL not to show LoL.

And if anyone missed the finals cause of LoL you only have yourself to blame. It's on the scheudle learn to read.


The main stream was showing SC2 for 4 days straight, you honestly think that switching to LoL at the last minute is a good idea? I love LoL, I watched both streams at the same time, but it's not a good idea to force it on the SC2 crowd.


Force?

People who didnt want to watch LoL could just do other stuff for an hour... Blizzcon qualifiier showed WoW I watched some of it to see what it's lke and when I didnt feel like watching it I did other stuff and still didnt miss a sc game..

IPL had 2 games at the event and showing the final on the main stage for the lesser popular game is normal..
asdads
Profile Joined January 2007
Australia78 Posts
October 10 2011 09:34 GMT
#168
I really liked these things:

- DJWheat(This guy never seems to make things awkward its great) and DApollo(Perhaps even better than Artosis at analysis and interesting accent lol)

- Lanibot and camera man (beast crew)

- Panel led by Incontrol

Things i didnt like:

Making players shake hands at the start, quite awkward there are better ways to introduce them or like make them do a fighting pose like in boxing or something.

Lol semi finals before sc2 finals.

Need a better final ceremony. Plan it out more to make it less awkward. Ceremonies are just as important as the game, it really makes the memories.

Some say the glass is half empty, others say it is half full... i say, are you gonna drink that?
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
October 10 2011 09:35 GMT
#169
It would have given at least a 9, but I gave it an 8 just because of the LoL bullshit. Next time please don't piss off Europe who has to work/go to school next morning.

You made me miss Stephano winning everything -_-
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 09:41:05
October 10 2011 09:35 GMT
#170
On October 10 2011 18:34 Kammalleri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 18:19 Novalisk wrote:
On October 10 2011 18:13 Kammalleri wrote:
I didn't vote because I didn't get to watch IPL all that much. I'll try to catch up on the Vods if they are free.

But from what I've seen the production was just unreal and I felt there was a good mix of koreans and foreigners too.

As from LoL I don't see why people complain.. I mean I think LoL is as retarded of a game as it gets and it's terrible to watch, but it just wouldnt make sense not show the final on the main stage. They have another game that has a pretty big community and they want to showcase it and try to get more viewers.

Like it or hate it, it would have been dumb by IPL not to show LoL.

And if anyone missed the finals cause of LoL you only have yourself to blame. It's on the scheudle learn to read.


The main stream was showing SC2 for 4 days straight, you honestly think that switching to LoL at the last minute is a good idea? I love LoL, I watched both streams at the same time, but it's not a good idea to force it on the SC2 crowd.


Force?

People who didnt want to watch LoL could just do other stuff for an hour... Blizzcon qualifiier showed WoW I watched some of it to see what it's lke and when I didnt feel like watching it I did other stuff and still didnt miss a sc game..

IPL had 2 games at the event and showing the final on the main stage for the lesser popular game is normal..

Imagine the superbowl/any other event being delayed for 3 hours because they instead show a match or two of german soccer.
Not annoying at all, right? Both legitimate sports but they are both not really wanted in the respective "other camp".

It doesn't work out, it will make everyone unhappy as everyone just gets 50% of the cake instead of the whole thing.
(Most)SC2 fans don't want to watch LoL, (Most)LoL fans don't want to wach SC2.

I was really happy with the IPL but showing the LoL stuff and delaying everything because of it made me really upset. This is why I didn't give a 10. However, it was still really good. I can't say anything else that was bad.
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
October 10 2011 09:36 GMT
#171
Was a really well run tournament overall.

The crysis management was really awesome, especially the quick reaction to make the prime stuff available for people without prime, just so they do not have any downtime.
Would of course be a lot better for me, if it was in Europe, but hey i can't have everything
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 09:45:35
October 10 2011 09:45 GMT
#172
On October 10 2011 18:26 pretensile wrote:
As for scheduling... I understand it would be a boon to schedule to help cater to European viewers. But it is a North American tournament after all... would North Americans have a legitimate gripe about highly unfavorable Dreamhack times, for example?

Since i could watch the vods immediately the next day i don't care about the schedule.
Really one of the best tournaments lately.
On minor thing. Don't show old Interviews, if you could just interview live one of the many players that are there.
mmm
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany40 Posts
October 10 2011 09:50 GMT
#173
On October 10 2011 18:20 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 18:07 mmm wrote:
...
(5) finals finishing at 5am (thank god for no tvt finals :D) )

but since this are only miner complaints you can see that I really liked it overall

PS. way better than mlg streams


lol dude.. 5am for you but where its taking place its about 11pm which was a perfect time for the event to end.

that's why it is in brackets
On October 10 2011 18:10 sansalvador wrote:
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On October 10 2011 18:07 mmm wrote:
...
3) sound to low
4) be more subtle with advertising sponsors (except for that eye stuff)
that "supporting ESPORTS" phrase is getting on my nerves
...

but since this are only miner complaints you can see that I really liked it overall


ad 3) Maybe turn down the volume of your speakers.
ad 4) well, you would not have had a free stream to watch if it wasn't for that. or even no tournament. I think it was ok, and I usually avoid adverts whenever I can.


@3: the sound of the game and commentators was too low while the intros and comercials were pretty loud..
@4: I actually can read, like most people so if there's a Samsung logo I know they are sponsoring I don't need to hear it all the time.
You don't hear a sports commentator saying "XYC is supporting Baseball" or stuff like that if you see the commercial you know it!
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 09:51:06
October 10 2011 09:50 GMT
#174
Apart from the LoL thing some comments.

The interviews were pretty bad. Do we really need an interview with dumb questions every game? Maybe it was those two hosts just asking stupid things that made this awkward and pointless. Hosts dressed like it's the oscars made no sense either. Someone like 2GD would make more sense at a gaming tourney. The sound level was very low, my laptop was at max volume and I still couldn't hear it that well at times. And people forfeiting games should be out the tournament (Idra). Other than that, well procuded, well put together. Keep it up.
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
October 10 2011 09:52 GMT
#175
On October 10 2011 18:35 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 18:34 Kammalleri wrote:
On October 10 2011 18:19 Novalisk wrote:
On October 10 2011 18:13 Kammalleri wrote:
I didn't vote because I didn't get to watch IPL all that much. I'll try to catch up on the Vods if they are free.

But from what I've seen the production was just unreal and I felt there was a good mix of koreans and foreigners too.

As from LoL I don't see why people complain.. I mean I think LoL is as retarded of a game as it gets and it's terrible to watch, but it just wouldnt make sense not show the final on the main stage. They have another game that has a pretty big community and they want to showcase it and try to get more viewers.

Like it or hate it, it would have been dumb by IPL not to show LoL.

And if anyone missed the finals cause of LoL you only have yourself to blame. It's on the scheudle learn to read.


The main stream was showing SC2 for 4 days straight, you honestly think that switching to LoL at the last minute is a good idea? I love LoL, I watched both streams at the same time, but it's not a good idea to force it on the SC2 crowd.


Force?

People who didnt want to watch LoL could just do other stuff for an hour... Blizzcon qualifiier showed WoW I watched some of it to see what it's lke and when I didnt feel like watching it I did other stuff and still didnt miss a sc game..

IPL had 2 games at the event and showing the final on the main stage for the lesser popular game is normal..

Imagine the superbowl/any other event being delayed for 3 hours because they instead show a match or two of german soccer.
Not annoying at all, right? Both legitimate sports but they are both not really wanted in the respective "other camp".

It doesn't work out, it will make everyone unhappy as everyone just gets 50% of the cake instead of the whole thing.
(Most)SC2 fans don't want to watch LoL, (Most)LoL fans don't want to wach SC2.

I was really happy with the IPL but showing the LoL stuff and delaying everything because of it made me really upset. This is why I didn't give a 10. However, it was still really good. I can't say anything else that was bad.


Do you really want to watch a shitty concert during SB that delays the game by an hour? Personally I don't, but it's part of the SB and I don't go on forums saying every SB could have been better if there was no concert.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
October 10 2011 09:52 GMT
#176
The tournament was very nice, for a first time it's even mind blowing how good it was, but the LoL thing was really sad, I understand the partnership and the commercial side of all of this don't get me wrong, but as a EU guy who followed all four day putting the LoL finals made the 2nd semi and the final unwatchable, it's really frustrating because if you just remove the LoL final, the whole scheduling is perfect even for EU, that's why EU fans are so pissed, a very good scheduling throughout the event just to screw it up at the end, and marketing wise with the caesar stream going from 65K to 20K and all the LoL bashing do you really think it's a smart idea, most of the EU fans right know hate and will not ever want to see a LoL match because of that and it's not even related to the game itself.
YoloStar <3
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
October 10 2011 09:55 GMT
#177
Oh, and one more thing, Rachel yelling "If you want ESPORTS to succeed then don't stop watching!" when she announced LoL was really annoying. I don't care about esports, I care about SC2 which coincidentally is an esport. Just like I don't care for tennis, I care for football (FOOTball, not handegg) and I wouldn't want the world championship be interrupted to 'help further sports by showing tennis'.

And yet one more thing, both ladies were severely overdressed for an event like this.
mmm
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany40 Posts
October 10 2011 09:56 GMT
#178
PS: The price money distribution was great. I always hate it when the 2nd etc don't get anything.
Cyanure
Profile Joined June 2009
France51 Posts
October 10 2011 10:01 GMT
#179

This event was superior to previous one in so many aspects (eg downtime handling) but failed in the obvious aspects :
- caster selection
- format (I felt like the group stage was meaningless, how can a player just forfeit all his games?)
- Lol final : I am in Europe and just fell asleep during the second LoL game... I tried to understand the first game (having playing dota for quite a long time) but failed. I think if we have nothing else to watch during the LoL final, at least IPL could have supplied us with bottom-low level commentary on a secondary stream.

Sad I missed the two last sc2 matches... I put 7/10 (-1 point for each of the above point)
Spacedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 10:21:20
October 10 2011 10:05 GMT
#180
- Graphic design

I didn't enjoy the overall graphic design, overlays, ect. The strong, shiny colours was off and irritating. The scoreboard had the same issue, but also lacked some details, like the columbs. Overall it felt only semi professionally made.

- Stream gamma, colour issues

Through day 1-3 this was 100% perfect, however, on day 4 the same gamma, colours issues that IPL2 had was back. The stream picture's colours was a little off + rather dark = lack of details on some of the buildings, terrain, objects ect.

- In-game sound

While they did correct this to make it much less of a issue, I'd still like to them to turn it up by 10-15%. Some immersion was lost to me.

- Bad observing

Some of the casters are quite bad at observing (very!). If you don't have good machanics in-game playing then you don't have it when observing. Solution: Dedicated obs to help the casters with bad machanics.

- Imbalanced in analytic casters verus play-by-play casters

Apollo was the only proper analytic caster of the bunch and that made Apollo and djWheat by far the best combo.

- Lag issues on 720p+

There was a weird bug when switching to 720p+ quality that made the stream very shuttering (like how low fps feels), however, when refreshing the stream over and over it would sometimes be completely smooth. It might have been overworked servers.

- (very small issue) The mouse pointer not always hidden on the players view streams

I noticed that the mouse pointer could have been hidden better and some times it was even in the middle of the screen.

Protoss win, Protoss OP. Terran win, Terran OP. Zerg win, Zerg OP. Less whine, more gg.
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